My father improved his lung function from 40% to 75% with Floressence, then further still with colloidal silver, but started MMS a week ago so I'll ask him how his lungs are going. His specialist told him that the lung disease was totally incurable and could only get worse! He had far too much exposure to particles and solvent based chemicals when he was younger.
I hope your father can get some benefit from this, morgan.
I made a separate post of this, as I know that there are two (maybe more) members here who suffer from COPD.
Morgan, the docs always say COPD is incurable. But ozone therapy has proven them wrong. I do not know for sure if it has a microbe involved but if colloidal silver helped they you should assume that it does for all colloidal silver does is kill microbes. There is no immune activation through it. And of course Floressence is immune inhancing with an antimicrobial effect. MMS may further detox chemicals.
How did you obtain your MMS in Australia, Global Light?
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I don't know about colloidal silver's action on the immune system, but ozone and MMS work along the same lines, ending up with the production and release of hypochlorite. Ozone, just like peroxide, could release an oxygen ion that readily binds with chlorine to form hypochlorite.
And once the immune system is up and running, among mediators secreted is insulin-like growth factor (IGF) which can lead to healing of lung tissue (in the case of COPD) even if there is no microbe involved.
I agree that lung tissue can be healed, afterall, tissue is made of cells, and cells can be repaired if given the proper nutrients. Thats where concentrated berry powders come in. They contain phyto-nutrients that can repair damaged DNA. The process takes time, and requires clean air, vitamin C, Quercetin, CoQ10, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Bromelain, B-Complex, Zinc, Magnesium, and fish oil. It also requires the elimination of wheat, dairy, refined sugar, and artificial sweetners.(all are inflamatory)
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Bought the sodium chlorite from a local chemical supplier - took a while to find one that would sell it to me, but managed!
My father's very aggressive squamous cell cancer isn't responding to black salve, so he is now up to 15 drops of MMS 3 times daily and 3 or 4 topical applications of MMS with DMSO on it - seems to be helping.
Right now he isn't the slightest bit concerned about lung function!
Morgan, there is a company here in the US that sells a black slave type of product that is taken internally. Have you tried something like this? I'll see if I can find the website. Here:
Seems this site has recently removed their testimonial page. Probably partially due to my recommendation. I had a long talk with them last week. I know they have been swamped due to Jim Humbles recommendations.
Guess we kinda think a like Xania. I had forgotten that I copied the the whole sits including its testimonials last week, until you mentioned this.. Here they are.
Indian Herb Testimonials
The following are experiences reported by users of the Indian Herb compound and “Life-Line™” – Catalytic Activated Energy Water
Ted Pitman of Oklahoma was born with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. He would sleep all day and drag all day, people said that he was lazy. His wife was our minister’s daughter 20 years ago and in May she came to us and explained his problem. She wanted to start him on our Life-Line™ and Indian Herb. Several of her neighbors had told her that their allergies had been helped by the treatment. Ted told us in November that he also had ulcers at the time and he had to take a dose of his ulcer medication prior to taking a dose of the Indian Herb. He said that within 1 week his ulcers were helped and that in September he had a blood test and no trace of the fatigue syndrome was found. His statement is, when I get up in the morning I am ready to work. No trace of fatigue after 40 years of suffering.??
Lois Rolland of Texas had Leukemia and doctors told her it was incurable. She says that when she gets up in the morning, she takes a dose of the Indian Herb and drinks Life-Line™.??
In 1994, Kathryn Collier of New Mexico wrote her husband was diagnosed with throat cancer in October 1992. He started on the Indian Herb and Life-Line™ and by December 1993 X-rays could not detect any cancer.??
In 1987 our minister’s mother was operated on for brain cancer and in 1988 it started to grow again. They told her that all they could do was give her Chemo-pills. The medication upset her stomach so badly that she could not leave the house and she had no control over her kidneys or bowels. At the time she lived in North Carolina and her son, Jim Hollifield was there and called me to ask what they should do. I suggested they start her on Life-Line™ for 3 days and then begin the Indian Herb. Within 30 days the doctors could find no trace of the cancer. She drove her car from North Carolina to Felt, Oklahoma by herself.??
In October, Craig Dunn of New York called and stated that he had seen Lupus helped as well as Leukemia.??
Von Keeth came by in 1979 to take a gallon of Life-Line™ and a vial of the Indian Herb to his brother in Texas who had lung cancer and was given 2-3 months to live. Von said he thought he was not going to be able to get his brother to take them because he was already going around telling everyone goodbye. He did use them and 60 days later went for a checkup and the doctor could find nothing. Louie said he would not tell them what he had done. He tells me that he now takes 21 does, twice a year and drinks Life-Line™ all the time. I’ll never get in that condition again, says Louie.??
Eight months ago, Joe Ruth was told by his doctor, that they had done all they could for lung and liver cancer. He asked if they could operate and remove the infected parts and they said no. A neighbor, who had tried Life-Line™ and the Indian Herb for their own problems, suggested Joe try them. On November 13th, Joe called to say that after being on the Life-Line™ and the Indian Herb he went to his doctor for a checkup and that he was free from cancer.??After having surgery for breast cancer, Dolores Lyke of Albuquerque tried Life-Line™ and took the Indian Herb twice daily after meals, to help balance and clean her system. She says that she felt a great increase in energy within the first 2 days. She has periodic blood work done and it was noted that many areas showed improvement.??
In March a lady called from Missouri telling me that her teenage daughter had been diagnosed with incurable cancer. She put her daughter on Life-Line™ and the Indian Herb and she is now regained her health.??March 1998, I received a letter from Mrs. Vera Thomas that her daughter was told she had 3 months to live, at most. Nineteen years has passed and she is still doing great after taking Life-Line™ and the Indian Herb.??Carol Mai of Texas wrote to say thanks so much for Life-Line™ and the Indian Herb. I feel better than I have in ages and have only been on this for 19 days. It has helped my kidneys and I have lost 20 pounds. (I know a lot of it was fluid.) I can’t keep my rings on.
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Water Testimonials Part 1......(too big to put all in one post) And then they had a place for testimonials on this special water they sell. It includes some stories on the Indian Herb.
Life-Line™ Catalytic Activated Energy Water Testimonials
The following are experiences reported by users of the Indian Herb compound and “Life-Line™” – Catalytic Activated Energy Water
Life-Line™ was taken to Norway and given to athletes in heavy training. The athletes had additional energy and their body pH increased to 7.??An Arizona doctor told a Wichita, Kansas lady he had found a type of sodium (not chloride) in Life-Line™. He said it was the greatest thing he had found for humans. She buys Life-Line™ for herself and friends.
A therapist from Washington gave Life-Line™ to some of his clients. It did so much good for so many different problems that he flew to Oklahoma to visit for 3 days to meet the McDaniels Life-Line staff. The therapist also used Life-Line™ as an enema to combat Candidia and said that it did a good job.?
One man had gained considerable weight around his waist from water retention while taking medication for ulcers. When he went on “Life-Line™” he lost the excess weight and his ulcers. The doctors confirmed that the medication had caused the water weight gain. One man said Life-Line™ even helped his allergies.
Pat M., has drunk Life-Line™ for years. When he had a major double hernia operation, the nurses could not believe how quickly he got up. He never took a pain tablet and within 6 weeks, he was playing basketball and volleyball. They could not believe he healed so quickly.?
Travis S., of Amarillo, Texas called to say that his wife had suffered stomach pains for many years. After using Life-Line™ her stomach pains were gone. They are thrilled!??Herman M., of Tennessee, was told to try “Life-L
ine™” for his stomach problems, for the doctor was unable to help with medication. The first gallon did him so much good that he ordered a case.??
A man working for large retail store had no energy, especially early in the morning and there were many foods he could not eat. He started Life-Line™ and in 20 days his health completely changed. Three years later, he still drinks Life-Line™. He even drove 100 miles out of his way to pick up a gallon of Life-Line™.?
Mrs. Tabor of Texas had such severe arthritis that she had to use crutches to walk because of the pain. Within one week after using “Life-Line™” she called to say that the pain was gone and crutches were no longer needed.
In 1970, Pattie M., had been under a doctor’s care for 17 years with a severe case of arthritis. The doctor gave her vitamin B-12 shots twice a week and changed her medication every 2 or 3 months. A biochemist suggested Life-Line™. Initially Pattie saw no change but kept taking Life-Line on a daily basis – things changed. Her B-12 shots reduced to every two weeks and at the end of 6 months, she did not have swelling in her joints or hands. In 1988 she had no arthritis.
Brent M., of Texas had a 2 week old son that could not keep his formula down. They added 1 teaspoon of Life-Line™ to the formula and the baby stopped throwing up after the first treated bottle.
In 1985 Eddi A., of El Paso, Texas asked what Life-Line™ would do for her Psoriasis. She had suffered 25 years with solid sores from her knees down and could not go to work. She started drinking Life-Line™ and bathed her legs 5 to 6 times in the product. Six months later Eddi called to say she had regained her health. She continued drinking Life-Line™ for better than a year, then quit. In August of 1995, she ordered 4 gallons. March of 1996, Eddi called with news from her doctor – her veins were stopped up and needed a balloon to be run through them. After drinking Life-Line™ for 6 months, she went back to her doctor for a checkup, he told her the veins were clear. Eddi credits Life-Line™ 100% for clearing her veins.
Mrs. Greenstreet of Texas ask what Life-Line would do for a neighbor’s little boy who was losing 4 ounces daily. Four days later after giving him 6 ounces of Life-Line™ daily, he stopped losing weight.??
Neill M., of Denver, Colorado said he had Hepatitis while in the hospital. He did not improve until his wife began giving him Life-Line™ on a daily basis.
In 1968, Mrs. Franke of Texas had sugar diabetes, looked as if she was 80 years old and was on a strict diet. A biochemist started her on Life-Line™. At first it made her ill, so she reduced her intake to 1 ounce after each meal. After a short time, she increased to drinking 4, 8-ounce glasses of Life-Line™ a day. By 1971 Mrs. Franke was a completely different woman. She had a beautiful complexion. Her family doctor checked her and told her that no one ever got rid of diabetes – but he could find nothing to show that she even had a trace of the illness. Mrs. Franke now drinks Life-Line™ to prevent the illness from returning.
Water Testimonials part 2.......(includes use of Indian Herb also)
Mike R., of Albuquerque, New Mexico recently tried “Life-Line™” and stated that he had seen results within a few days. Before Life-Line™ he experienced muscle cramps in his legs, now is able to complete his chores without any stiffness.??
Virginia B., called from Washington to say she went to her doctor to see what Life-Line™ had done for her. They found she only needed to take 50% of the vitamins and minerals she had normally taken.
A Texas lady lost one of her cats to sickness and others appeared to be ill. She took two of them to a veterinarian and was told they had an immune deficiency, about the same as AIDS in humans. She was told that she would loose all of them. She started the cats on Life-Line™ and they all recovered
My husband and I are so thrilled with the results of using the Indian Herb and the Life-Line™ Water. As I had told you Denny has cancer of the throat which was growing out of control . After taking the Indian Herb and the Life-Line™ Water for two weeks, the MRI showed that the cancer had stopped growing. We are very positive that with continuing the Indian Herb and Life-Line™ Water it will free the body of cancer. We will keep you informed of how he is doing. Everyone we talk to wants to know what we are doing and we tell them about the Indian Herb and the Life-Line™ Water. Thank you, Dianne H., Glendale, Arizona
A lady from Texas told of her daughter being healed from cancer by drinking Life-Line™ water.??Since using the Indian Herb and Life-Line™ water, my cervical cancer is gone and all tests are coming back NORMAL.
My daughter has Lupus and when taking the Indian Herb once a day (rolled up in bread) and drinking just three glasses of Life-Line™ water, her symptoms disappeared. Lupus patients have the red “butterfly marks” across their cheeks as well as localized balding, severe to moderate fatigue, joint aches and are prone to infections.??While she is on the Indian Herb and Life-Line™ water she does wonderfully …. She has more energy, no fatigue, her hair grows back and the other symptoms simply aren’t there.
Another of my daughters was told she’d have to have her gall-bladder taken out from gall stone attacks. We started her on Indian Herb and a stomach remedy and she has NO attacks and no more pain. She can now eat spicy foods too. Thanks SO-O much! Sandy of Florida.
I was found with prostate cancer in October of 1991 – took radiation – 35 treatments and after that have been taking your water – can not remember when I started taking it, but anyway, the PSA (blood test) that I take every three (3) months has been at a safe level 1.5-1.7-1.5 plus a shot I get. My urologist says whatever it is you are taking or doing – keep doing it, this October will be ten (10) years. Thank you sir for the water. Thank you, A. Apodaca of New Mexico??
I was given some mixture I think is called chem.-X it is a brown semi-liquid like a mud. I have used it to remove some moles on my skin and it worked great – my friends at church gave me a little to use. They both have cancer and have been using it. Thank you, D. Quaqliato of Colorado<
Since I was a small kid I have loved to be out in the sun and many times, unfortunately, I was overexposed. Consequently, I developed three skin cancers on my face.
A close friend of mine had acquired through his sister an amount of your herbal formula. I applied the paste to the skin lesions and they were completely removed, much to my delight and satisfaction. Sincerely, L. Dolezal of Washington
I have shared the herb story with many these past months, and have used them much this summer. I am not supposed to go out in the sun without long sleeves, but it was so hot this past summer, long sleeves were out. I had some places come up on my arms and face and I treated them with the herbs and all turned out well. Folks have a hard time believing the stories I tell them about the water and the herbs; I think they are a little skeptical or leery, but when I show them the places where I used the herbs, they become interested! We know, don’t we, what they will do! Sincerely, T. Haralson of Texas
We had excellent results on Lyme’s Disease and a relative had a prolapsed colon it cleared that up. Mrs. Daniel of Wisconsin
Water Testimonials......Part 3 (includes Indian Herb also)
Mable M., of Texas was a diabetic and every time she took her medication it made her feel sick. After using Life-Line™ for one year, Mabel returned to the doctor to check the medication dosage. The doctor could not find any need for continuing the medication.
In 1972 J. Franks of New Mexico was sent home from the hospital with a blood disease. The doctors told him they had done everything they knew to do. Mr. Franks said there wasn’t a place in his body that didn’t feel pain. He started drinking Life-Line™ He refilled his gallon jug 3 to 5 times daily because he used Life-Line™ with everything he drank – coffee, tea and all water. Six weeks later he appeared to be in excellent health. His wife stated, “He has not been this good since we were first married.”
W.C. Wheatley of New Mexico had high cholesterol and a severe heart attack forced him to sell his business. He started using Life-Line™ and six months later the doctor gave him a clean bill of health – no cholesterol. His wife has been using Life-Line™ for a number of years as it has a beneficial effect on her arthritis and general health. The Wheatley’s buy Life-Line™ by the case and use it as their only source of water.
This is a birthday gift for a friend. I will order for me later. It has helped her over a heavy lung infection. God’s blessing on your work. Sarah C., of Kansas
I lost Melinda Easter day with cancer but she took the herb, Life-Line™ and lived ten years after having breast cancer. I wanted you to know that the Life-Line™ water pulled the fluid off her lungs and she didn’t choke as much. We think she died of a heart attack, because it happened so sudden. She is a great loss to the family and we are really missing her. Maybe knowing that the water helped her by pulling the fluid off it could help other people. Thank you. Delma D., of Oklahoma
I have given the information to several people around Stanton and Big Spring. I used it on a brother-in-law. It was a long existing spot on his back that had started to get bigger (kind of mole looking). It reacted and took it off. We have good pictures of the progression. Woodie C., of Athens, Texas
I am writing to let you know what happened with me and X after I talked to you last. My husband became very concerned and thought I should see a doctor. He made an appointment and took me. The spot where I had put the X was bleeding and oozing slightly and was painful, but not coming out as I thought it should, or maybe I hadn’t applied it long enough the second time, or waited long enough for it to work.
It looked bad and when the doctor examined me, I told him I had applied a drawing salve and pulled it out that far, breaking the skin. There was no sign of skin eruption before applying the drawing salve, but he didn’t believe me.??He drew some fluid from the area on the breast and sent it to the lab to be tested. He was sure it was malignant and should be removed immediately. Well I didn’t do anything, but continued taking X each day. . . . my husband convinced me I had better have surgery. So I did.
They did a biopsy, said it was malignant and removed the whole breast . . . and sent them into the state for analysis. The report came back negative.??In my own mind I feel it was not necessary to remove the whole breast and am sure X worked. I just didn’t give it enough time. And I am disgusted that now I am disfigured because of it. I plan to take another 14 days round of X and continue the water. Vera A., of Michigan
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The Indian Herb is a perfectly balanced vitamin and mineral substance which is not harmful to the body in any way. It balances the metabolism and any blood disorders. It is a dark, semi-liquid paste. The herbal paste may be taken orally or applied directly to surface tumors, cancers or used as a “preventative/maintenance” health aid.
??The Indian Herb helps the body while the person comes to terms with their attitudes and changes direction. The Indian Herb is not a gentle healer. In most reported cases, it is a relentless substance which hunts down and penetrates all abnormal tissue. Pain, swelling and sometimes fever is associated during its use.??The following recommendations are based on what the majority of users have found so far to be effective. These recommendations describe the absolute MINIMUM doses that people have found to be effective. It cannot be stressed enough – The Indian Herb is very potent. Do not assume that if a little works, more will be better. USE THE SMALLEST DOSE POSSIBLE, and increase only if it truly seems necessary to you. Otherwise you will endure far more pain than necessary, and extend the healing period much longer than necessary.??The Indian Herb helps the body while the person comes to terms with their attitudes and changes direction. The Indian Herb is not a gentle healer. In most reported cases, it is a relentless substance which hunts down and penetrates all abnormal tissue. Pain, swelling and sometimes fever is associated during its use.
Storage/Handling
0. Keep the Indian Herb in a dark, cool place. Do not refrigerate.
0. Use only clean wooden or plastic utensils when “dipping into the vial.”
0. If the Indian Herb dries out, don’t worry. Simply add a little “Life-Line™ Water” and mix well to re-hydrate. The Indian Herb won’t lose its potency.
0. Keep the container sealed when not in use and the contents will keep quite well.
Dosage
If a person has “Bone Cancer” use .15 grams?If a person has other types of cancer use .12 grams??If you don’t have access to measuring devices/scales, use the following “eye-ball” method. A light dose would look about the size of a wooden kitchen match-head or a little less than one half of a dried English pea in volume. A heavy dose would be about the same size as a whole English pea. When in doubt, start small and increase the dosage as needed.??Internal. The most common method of taking Indian Herb is by mouth. Buy #4 “gel-caps” at your local pharmacy or health food store; pull the capsule apart and insert the suggested dosage into the small end of the capsule. You may or may not need to reassemble the capsule, depending on your personal preference.??Side Effects. If you ingest the Indian Herb on an empty stomach, it is almost guaranteed to cause a stomach ache and severe nausea. Either “wrap” the dose in a small piece of bread or take the Indian Herb after eating.??External. If treating skin cancer or external tumors, mix .3 grams with 4-ounces of petroleum jelly. Mix well. Cover the area of the cancer/tumor with this preparation. This may sting or burn initially. An alternative treatment is to cover the area with a coat of petroleum jelly and place a single dot of Indian Herb in the middle of the affected area. Cover with a loose bandage. This procedure is explained in-depth in the section Treating Surface (External) Tumors/Cancers.
Health Maintenance or Preventative Measure.
Take one dose a day for 3-5 days to help strengthen your immune system. Use when the flu or a virus is going around.??Remember *There is no guarantee, since every person is different.
Recommended Treatments
The Indian Herb and Life-Line Water™ have been used successfully for many years to combat everything from fatigue to brain cancer. As with nearly everything in the world, there are no absolute guarantees. When dealing with sickness of any kind it pays to look beyond the obvious symptoms to the underlying causes. This program can greatly benefit your body’s immune system and help restore the balance needed to fight against every day stress and exposure to the “bugs” that get us all down.??The following guidelines are offered for the application of “The Indian Herb” in treating various types of cancers both external and internal.
Treating Surface (External) Tumors/Cancers
This is how people have used The Indian Herb on external growths
Clean the area of abnormal growth well. Cover the visible surface of the mole or cancer with a thin layer of petroleum jelly. Apply a small dot of the Indian Herb in the center of the affected area or if you prefer, mix both petroleum jelly and the Indian Herb together and cover the visible surface of the affected area. Next, cover with a clean bandage for 8 hours. The area will begin to burn and redden. After 8 hours, wash the Indian Herb application from the skin and apply another thin layer of petroleum jelly; cover with a clean bandage.
The application area will become very red and irritated. The redness may extend 1/2 to 1 inch from the area that you treated (See Figure 1). You may see “streaks” similar to blood poisoning. Don’t become alarmed, it is not blood poisoning. The Indian Herb is tracing out the infected area and drawing the poison back into the nucleus. It will make a hard core, similar to the core of a boil – hard and rubbery. The redness will diminish and a white ring will begin to appear around the nucleus. It will look similar to a pus-pocket, but it is not. Between the fifth and seventh day, a white ring will start to separate from the healthy tissue and become very loose.??Approximately 24 hours later, wash off the petroleum jelly and apply another thin layer of The Indian Herb to the growth and cover the area with a clean bandage for another 8 hours.
Usually after the second application the growth itself is dead. The growth will become more painful as the body begins to eject its dying tissue. Swelling often occurs. The growth can swell up to twice its normal size while the area may experience minimal swelling. The growth may lighten in color after the first day and then re-darken slightly or become “dead white.”
The core will not come out unless the whole mole or cancer is dead and detached from the healthy tissue. Then and only then will it come out intact. There will be no need for surgery. Wash out the cavity with hydrogen peroxide and examine the pink tissue. You will see small holes where the root system came out. Keep the cavity filled with petroleum jelly and covered with a loose bandage.
More than two applications do not seem necessary as more applications cause increased pain and longer healing time.
The body’s healing signs. There may be a low or medium grade fever; the growth and the area around the growth may swell; the growth may be painful and tender and, on occasions, pus may form under and around the growth as the body pushes it away. It is essential to keep the affected area covered with new, clean and daily applications of petroleum jelly and clean bandages. For most people, in about 10 days the body completely pushes out the dead growth and the fever disappears. Resist the temptation to pick at the dead tissue or to hasten its separation. Let the body do it. Otherwise the growth may come back in the same spot.
During the next 10 days, or as long as it takes, the body will fill in the cavity with either healthy tissue or scar tissue, depending on the individual’s body chemistry and health. Continue washing the area well each day and re-apply a thin layer of petroleum jelly and cover with a clean bandage. Tenderness may be present in the area up to 6 months; although for most people, by the 20th day mark, the cavity is completely re-grown with non-mole or non-cancerous tissue.??During the first month, it is wise to assist the body’s healing process with other means. This may include drinking a catalyst-altered water like Life-Line™ which normalizes cells. These waters assist cells to expel toxins and take in nutrients more efficiently throughout the body.
A full complement of vitamins and supplements is often a useful way to nourish your recovery, as well as obtaining enough rest, reducing stress, shifting attitudes toward self-care and eating wholesome, non-refined organic foods.
If you refrain from alcohol and caffeine, the body will heal more rapidly because these stimulants destroy B vitamins and wear out the immune system. Do not use pain killers or drink alcohol while using the Indian Herb. Do not use the Indian Herb if you are doing chemotherapy. You must be completely off chemotherapy for at least two weeks before using the Indian Herb.
In many cases of removing external growths and cancers, people report that even though large masses of tissue was ejected from the body, even to the point of revealing the muscle structure below, bleeding did not occur and the body completely filled in the area where the growth had been. During the ejection and re-growth phase, it is essential to keep the area clean and sealed with petroleum jelly.
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