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Just a note to say that there is some evidence that MMS may be effective in some cancers. At this point I do not think is is wise to say that MMS will cure all cancers. MMS eliminates pathogens primarily. Not all cancers may be caused by pathogens, but I do think that many are.

There is always the issue of getting the MMS to the site to do the work. Oral ingestion may not be the most advantageous choice.

If one was to treat their cancer with MMS it would be judicious to use a well rounded protocol and work with a doctor experienced in cancer and alternative medicine.
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Husband wants to re-asses the various meds and supplements he takes for his prostate cancer. In light of the rising PSA - which may be an MMS effect - I agree that it would be sensible to reconsider.
So now I am interested in the Black Salve for internal use. Is Indian herb similar?
I have suggested that he stops the rhabdosia formula (A Chinese herbal formula for prostate cancer) for now. He has taken it for years and maybe needs a break from it for a time. I suggested that he should stop the pumpkin seed oil capsules too. I want him to get back to the graviola, which he stopped some months ago - along with Essiac. He was just heartily sick of all these foul tasting concoctions!
Can anyone suggest which supplements they consider essential and which could be put aside for a while. I think he is overwhelmed by the volume of tablets to be swallowed, and also he is a little fearful, of course.

The other supplements he takes are
Vitamins ABCDE
Calcium and magnesium
Boron.
Manganese,
Lycopene.

Thanks for your opinions.
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Xania,

I'm not sure that supplemental calcium is advisable. There *may* be a connection between higher-calcium intake and prostate cancer. Healthy dietary sources are one thing but supplemental calcium is another ... and it's usually discouraged (these days) in PC patients.

There are a bunch of recent posts about a variety of nutrients/phytochemicals, on this forum, that may help in the battle against PC.

How much vitamin D is your husband taking?

For starters, perhaps making a strong green (or white) tea with some added ginger tea could be a way of getting some valuable phytochemicals, in a tasty-form, that won't require him taking another pill.

Also, certain therapeutic substances (like flax lignans and liquid iodine) can be easily added to recipes (like soups, smoothies, muffins, etc.) without hardly being detected (in terms of their taste). This may also be a possible approach for other supplements ... adding them to recipes/foods.
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Thans Harry.
D is taking cal/mag and Vit D for osteoporosis, which appeared suddenly in response to the androgen blockade treatment from the urologist. I saw the concerns about calcium, earlier, but the bone pain has lessened a lot since taking the cal'mag and Vit D. This feels like a knife edge!!
He is taking Vit D 2,000 units daily
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Xania,

I see. I'm happy to know it's helping him to feel less pain. In this case, the benefit probably is more important than any potential risk.

Have you been able to have his vitamin D levels tested? 2,000 IUs may be enough. It's hard to know without being tested however. The key appears to be getting vitamin D blood levels to an optimal level.

Does he take selenium? What form of vitamin E is he taking - the tocopheRYL (not tocopheROL) succinate form has the most research behind it (re: PC).

I've seen some promising research, over the past few years, on Zyflamend, milk thistle and pomegranate. I would personally investigate these supplements/foods.

What is your/his diet like? Do you guys eat a lower-carb or lower-glycemic diet? Do you eat plenty of cruciferous vegetables and berries (both of these appear to be highly desirable - in regard to cancer).

Check out this brief summary about dietary allies:

https://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=disease&dbid=17

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No, we haven't found a way to get blood-Vit D checked around here.
Selenium - yes . Masses of pumpkin seeds in food. That is why I felt it OK to stop those capsules. That got rid of 3 a day.
Vitamin E - I am not able to answer that for a few days yet.
Berries - yes. Pomegranate, cranberry, blueberry in fruit and juice form.
Diet - definitely low glycemic index, including cruciferous veg.
I should pay attention more to milk thistle and Zyflamend, though.
I do appreciate your input, Harry. Thank you.
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Looking for more Vit D information, I came across this site
https://www.sarcinfo.com/calcium.htm

"Patients who have controlled their level of 1,25-D have discovered that the most annoying neural symptoms of Sarcoidosis have also disappeared: fatigue, irritability, panic, depression, and sleep disturbance[6]. Vitamin D supplements typically make these symptoms worse."


I have no reason to think D has sarcoidosis, but the symptoms mentioned above have occurred in recent weeks.
I am looking for a place that will do the blood test.
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So now I am interested in the Black Salve for internal use. Is Indian herb similar?
Xania, Indian Herb I think would be a good choice. Somewhere here I have posted its ingredients and some testimonials.

For calcium he could eat broccoli about 3 times a week and alternate with cauliflower on the other days.
Make sure your vitamin A is from a fish oil source.

Have you looked into the heat diathermy (sp?) treatment for prostate cancer? No good for all cases, depends on how big the tumor is and where exactly its located, but they use a probe to essentially cook the cancer. Doing it in Canada. Don't know where to find info in it off hand.


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and high intensity focused ultrasound (HIFU) - maybe this is what I'm thinking of.
https://www.accuray.com/ClinicalInfo/...FQ9ZMAodsDA-Xw

and

https://www.emaxhealth.com/33/13254.html

and

https://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine...-Trials-849-1/

and this is the one I was actually thinking of regarding heat - 3rd article down.

https://www.prostatecentre.com/aboutu....php?pageID=13

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"Purple Power" muscadine skin powder may help. For the 1st time, I've cured a bladder infection without antibiotics. The bladder infection went away just after I started adding 1 tbs of Purple Powder to 1 qt of my green tea. I also recently started adding 1/2 tsp of Acai powder and 50mg of pomegranate powder. I drink 2 or 3 quarts per day.

Don't know how expensive these products would be in UK.

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Inhibition of Prostate Cancer Growth by Muscadine Grape Skin Extract and Resveratrol through Distinct Mechanisms https://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cg...act/67/17/8396
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Thanks Arrowwind and Iggy.
Iggy, I looked at the Ison's site - I think they ship to US customers only, but I am sure I can find another supplier.

Also, my thanks to dwd7036 for sending me this link to an Australian supplier
https://www.bevanpotter.com/
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Thans Harry.
D is taking cal/mag and Vit D for osteoporosis, which appeared suddenly in response to the androgen blockade treatment from the urologist. I saw the concerns about calcium, earlier, but the bone pain has lessened a lot since taking the cal'mag and Vit D. This feels like a knife edge!!
He is taking Vit D 2,000 units daily
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Warning: Calcium supplements should be avoided by prostate cancer patients. https://www.vitacost.com/Healthnotes/...-Prostate.aspx
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High intake of vegetables was associated with a 59% reduced risk of extraprostatic prostate cancer, compared to low intake of vegetables. This association was largely explained by intake of cruciferous vegetables - where high intake of cruciferous vegetables was associated with a 40% reduced risk of extraprostatic prostate cancer. In particular, consumption of more than 1 serving per week of broccoli - a cruciferous vegetable - was associated with a 45% reduced risk of extraprostatic prostate cancer, compared to less than 1 serving per month consumption. Similarly, consumption of more than 1 serving per week of cauliflower - another cruciferous vegetable - was associated with a 52% reduced risk of extraprostatic prostate cancer, compared to less than 1 serving per month. Thus, the authors of this study conclude, "High intake of cruciferous vegetables, including broccoli and cauliflower, may be associated with reduced risk of aggressive prostate cancer, particularly extraprostatic disease." https://www.vitasearch.com/get-clp-summary/36541
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Just joined, and am wondering what MMS is.

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Kathy,

Here's a link to get you started.

https://mmsmiracle.com/about/

Also, you may want to check out the MMS forum on this site.
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How do I keep up with the information out here? I guess I just have to keep filtering things that make "medical sense" to me?

Thanks for the link though.
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