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This organization has recently come to my attention. I really support their oath and so I have decided to promote their work and to inform all police, military and veterans that I come into contact with that I expect that they will protect me also with this same oath.

�The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army� -- Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island


commit treason. We will defend the Republic.
Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey

Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:
1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.
The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.
Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal.
In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed �assault-weapons� ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles).
2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects -- such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of �writs of assistance,� which were essentially warrantless searches because there was no requirement of a showing of probable cause to a judge, and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written.
We expect that sweeping warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.
3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as �unlawful enemy combatants� or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal.
The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic �militia� groups the government brands �domestic terrorists,� is an act of war and an act of treason.
4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a �state of emergency� on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state�s legislature and governor.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt �to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power� by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as �military governor.� The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law � the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law � is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution.
Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.
The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people.
5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.
In response to the obscene growth of federal power and to the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers of the Executive, upwards of 20 states are considering, have considered, or have passed courageous resolutions affirming states rights and sovereignty.
Those resolutions follow in the honored and revered footsteps of Jefferson and Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, and likewise seek to enforce the Constitution by affirming the very same principles of our Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights that we Oath Keepers recognize and affirm.
Chief among those principles is that ours is a dual sovereignty system, with the people of each state retaining all powers not granted to the national government they created, and thus the people of each state reserved to themselves the right to judge when the national government they created has voided the compact between the states by asserting powers never granted.
Upon the declaration by a state that such a breach has occurred, we will not obey orders to force that state to submit to the national government.
6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the blockade of Boston, and the occupying of that city by the British military, under martial law. Once hostilities began, the people of Boston were tricked into turning in their arms in exchange for safe passage, but were then forbidden to leave. That confinement of the residents of an entire city was an act of war.
Such tactics were repeated by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turning entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason.
7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.
Mass, forced internment into concentration camps was a hallmark of every fascist and communist dictatorship in the 20th Century. Such internment was unfortunately even used against American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II. Whenever a government interns its own people, it treats them like an occupied enemy population. Oppressive governments often use the internment of women and children to break the will of the men fighting for their liberty � as was done to the Boers, to the Jewish resisters in the Warsaw Ghetto, and to the Chechens, for example.

Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used. We will not commit treason, nor will we facilitate or support it.�NOT on Our Watch!�
8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to �keep the peace� or to �maintain control� during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.
During the American Revolution, the British government enlisted the aid of Hessian mercenaries in an attempt to subjugate the rebellious American people. Throughout history, repressive regimes have enlisted the aid of foreign troops and mercenaries who have no bonds with the people.
Accordingly, as the militia of the several states are the only military force contemplated by the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, for domestic keeping of the peace, and as the use of even our own standing army for such purposes is without such constitutional support, the use of foreign troops and mercenaries against the people is wildly unconstitutional, egregious, and an act of war.
We will oppose such troops as enemies of the people and we will treat all who request, invite, and aid those foreign troops as the traitors they are.
9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.
One of the causes of the American Revolution was the seizure and forfeiture of American ships, goods, and supplies, along with the seizure of American timber for the Royal Navy, all in violation of the people�s natural right to their property and to the fruits of their labor. The final spark of the Revolution was the attempt by the government to seize powder and cannon stores at Concord.
Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone.
Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people.
10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.
There would have been no American Revolution without fiery speakers and writers such as James Otis, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Sam Adams �setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.�

Patrick Henry: �Give me Liberty, or Give me DEATH!�
Tyrants know that the pen of a man such as Thomas Paine can cause them more damage than entire armies, and thus they always seek to suppress the natural rights of speech, association, and assembly. Without freedom of speech, the people will have no recourse but to arms. Without freedom of speech and conscience, there is no freedom.
Therefore, we will not obey or support any orders to suppress or violate the right of the people to speak, associate, worship, assemble, communicate, or petition government for the redress of grievances.
� And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually affirm our oath and pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. Oath Keepers
The above list is not exhaustive but we do consider them to be clear tripwires � they form our �line in the sand,� and if we receive such orders, we will not obey them. Further, we will know that the time for another American Revolution is nigh. If you the people decide that you have no recourse, and such a revolution comes, at that time, not only will we NOT fire upon our fellow Americans who righteously resist such egregious violations of their God given rights, we will join them in fighting against those who dare attempt to enslave them.
NOTE: please also read our Principles of Our Republic We Are Sworn to Defend

More About Oath Keepers
Oath Keepers is a non partisan association of currently serving military, peace officers, fire-fighters, and veterans who will fulfill our oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.

Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and not to any political party. In the long-standing tradition of the U.S. military, we are apolitical. We don�t care if unlawful orders come from a Democrat or a Republican, or if the violation is bi-partisan. We will not obey unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law. We won�t �just follow orders.� Our motto: �Not on Our Watch!� or to put it even more succinctly, in the words of 101st Airborne Commander General Anthony McAuliffe at the Battle of the Bulge, �NUTS!�

There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But many others do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution and to the people, and understand what that means.
The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers.
We are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our own troops.
Help us win it.
www.oathkeepers.org
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The Oath Keepers take a bipartisan stand.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_543107.html
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Thanks, Arrow! I like Ariana Huffington and think she does alot of good.
Thanks for the Oathkeepers info too.
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I joined their forum. This site will be keeping me up to date on police and military abuses. There is a pretty bad story that happened in Medford Oregon in March...

Really, pure police state tactics... will it ever end or just forever get worse?
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What gets to me is the amount of left extreme types who compalin about the oathkeepers. Getting slammed for following the constitution is not cool.
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I think left wing gets edgy because they are so against the neocons, who are right wing facists...
and then the left wing sees the Oathers as not bipartisan, which if they are not they should be.
They seem more libertarian to me.

The far right and the far left are almost the same. They both want to control you and take your feedoms away.

Ever notice how the Bushes and the Clintons are so buddy buddy these days?
And they all do the sign of satin thing?
Maybe they got together when they were partying at the Bohemian Grove worshiping Modoc.
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I think left wing gets edgy because they are so against the neocon, who are right wing facists...

The far right and the far left are almost the same. They both want to control you and take your feedoms away.

Ever notice how the Bushes and the Clintons are so buddy buddy these days?
And they all do the sign of satin thing?
Maybe they got together when they were partying at the Bohemian Grove.
REC both bush and clinton (and obama and herry and gore and bush 43 and carter and reagan are the same thing)
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What gets to me is the amount of left extreme types who compalin about the oathkeepers. Getting slammed for following the constitution is not cool.
Yes how transparent can these people get? To call the oathkeeps "unpatriotic" because they expect and demand that those in government follow the constitution.
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The only issue I have so far with oath keepers is that some members are racist and ultra right Christians, neither if which I am comfortable with.
Without tolerance the US constitution cannot stand.

Oath Keepers tries to keep these types subdued on their forum but it slips in every once and a while.
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I am right wing and I am a christian. I am not a right wing christian though. Salvation is open to EVERYBODY! Right wing christianity scares me.
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Along the same line the tea partyers are also being scorned in a similar manner because they are not automatically falling inline with either the democrats or republicans.
So with that in mind the following is a letter I plan to summit to my local newspaper’s letters to the editor column. Any changes or correction are welcome.



Many people are unhappy with the direction in which the country has been going. Plus they are waking up to the fact that just voting for the “other” party does not provide the desired changes. As a result many have been looking at the Tea party movement as a way to regain control of government. Obviously this has those in power worried. In the past the elite knew that even if the people voted for the other party on those issues that they want control over like the economy and war these would go unchallenged. However the tea parties are starting to pose a real threat to their old way of doing things. Something had to be done.


First they told us to ignore the tea parties claiming they were just a few fringe groups of malcontents. Then a million plus individuals from these so called fringe groups showed up in
Washington. Naturally they were pretty much ignored in the main stream media. Next they started showing up at town hall meetings and actually had the audacity to ask their representatives some tough questions. Now this was really starting to get serious for the elite they needed to do something, but what?

Well we now hear that there is an anti-tea party group whose goal is to infiltrate the tea party meetings to advocate and promote violence, or make totally absurd statements or whatever disturbance is necessary so that it could then be used to discredit the movement. And now we are beginning to see people being labeled unpatriotic and even treasonous because they dare to use their constitutional rights to question our elected officials.


Of course what else can we expect when the elite see that the people have stop playing their little game of having us arguing amongst ourselves. Instead they see people throwing down their red and blue flags and picking up don’t tread on me flags and going after those who are truly in charge.
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Why would they need to infiltrate the tea party to make them look absurd when they already have Michele Bachman and Sarah Palin doing that for them..These are the most stupid uneducated, social dimwits I have ever seen. To think that either has any power just astounds me. It really casts a bad light on human intelligence. To divide, tear, and insult is their only gift.

The tea party would do themselves a favor to ditch those digbats and find some solid libertarian intelligence and its because of associations with asses as such, I can't assocaite with the tea party. Guess I''m just a plain old libertarian. The only way I would support any candidate they could fester up is if Ron Paul endorsed them, and then only maybe. I'd have to make sure Ron Paul hadn't lost his mind first.
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I think infiltration by the baddies, of any group, in order to discredit them,
is the way they plan to play it. It keeps many confused and fearful
of joining.
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I don�t think the tea parties went out looking for Sarah Palin, or others like her, but rather Sarah came looking for them as I doubt that too many republicans would want her back. But that is the point I�m trying to make the elite love to see her out there and could even be supporting her because the more the tea parties, or any other third party, can be marginalized the better it is for them. That way we all will supposedly get back in line and continue to waste our time arguing over which are better democrats or republicans thus ignoring what the puppet masters are doing to the country.
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I don�t think the tea parties went out looking for Sarah Palin, or others like her, but rather Sarah came looking for them as I doubt that too many republicans would want her back. But that is the point I�m trying to make the elite love to see her out there and could even be supporting her because the more the tea parties, or any other third party, can be marginalized the better it is for them. That way we all will supposedly get back in line and continue to waste our time arguing over which are better democrats or republicans thus ignoring what the puppet masters are doing to the country.

REC I keep trying to tell people (some listen, some do not) that the president is a puppet. The puppetmaster is the same reagardless of who is in the white house.
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