what do you guys think of this?

https://www.icehouse.net/john34/
which links to this:

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I have read this site and numerous others like it. I�m convinced that �the truth is out there�. It is my belief that nothing is imposable but rather just some things haven�t been figured out yet.

However that being said many of these sites all seem to have a common format.
They are all convinced that they are going to change the world as we know it. However before that happens they;
1.are in the process of getting a patent, which will probably never happen.
2.still have a "few minor" problems to work out, which will probably never happen.
3.are looking for investors to pay development costs, which will probably never happen.
4.are tying to find someone with just the right know how to assemble their device, which will probably never happen.

As to what happed to those working devices that people supposedly have demonstrated in the past;

• the inventor has either died or was killed and no one has been able to duplicate his feat because his notes have been lost or are incomplete or don�t make sense.
• the �men in black�, the government, or big oil, etc. have either bought him out or he has been intimated to stop further work.

Then of course our conventional scientists tend to ridicule anyone that does not follow their ridge line of thinking. Hmmm where have I heard something like that before?
Also it does not help the inventors credibly if he makes up new words and terminology as he goes along.

Do I believe that a lone inventor working in a corner of his garage can discover some great new idea? Sure. But if he expects to do anything with it he first needs to have a working model and he needs to be willing to have it publicly inspected. Finally he needs to tell others exactly how to build his "pride and joy" so that they may build and independently verify that it really does work. For some individuals that last step is a really big one. I wonder how many good ideas have been taken to the grave for fear of taking that step.

I agree completely with the mad scientist

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The cure for boredom is curiosity...there is no cure for curiosity..

Thank you Mad Scientist, for a your very clear reasons why we still don't have another source of energy.

but.. I still hope that someday it will happen.

This is a way out theory (mine ) but I think our current financial situation (of our country) is getting to the point where even the government will become interested in a more economical way to supply:

• health care
• source of energy

when this happens, I bet there will magically appear funding and support for alternative medicine (if it can be proved to be a cheaper way of taking care of the masses) and an alternative fuel source (when too many people are screaming about the cost, when it is immobilizing not only the economy, but the military and the government).

but .. until then, I think they will remain on the path of least resistance.. the standard way of doing things.

but.. I still have hope (me and Arthur C. Clarke )

There are groups trying to do just that! I have recently joined one site where the goal is to produce hydrogen from water on demand, as I stated above �they still have a few minor problems to work out�, but they are determined and I believe that there is a good chance they will succeed
Along that same line it is interesting to speculate how much useful knowledge might be locked up in black military and government projects. A few years back when the SR71 spy plane was retired we were told what a wonderful machine this is but that it had served it function and was no longer needed, and thus it could be revealed to the public.
But if it was that good why retire it? Unless of course it is a round about way of saying that we already have something way better. It has been rumored that a high level defense scientist said that ET no longer needs to �phone home� we can give him a lift.

Change will come but only when those in power realize that they can no long make money from the current system.

looks like Kanzius has done this:

Burning Saltwater

saltwater fire

Bearden has a patent but hasn't been able to commercialize it yet.

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here is a link to the Bearden Patent:


Motionless electromagnetic generator

it was issued in 2002.. 6 years ago. ??

Six years and counting. Kind of makes one wonder if it really works or is someone pay him not to develop it?

The burning salt water is real but as usual it uses more energy them it produces.

I know... it really does make you wonder... why not develop it? especially with the current energy crisis.

does it? but.. couldn't that process be streamlined? after all, the machine was originally produced for other purposes. perhaps if another machine was designed with the target being some kind of fuel engine, then maybe the ratio could be changed?

you sound like you have a much better idea of what can be done or not done (I'm guessing).

Have you heard of Stanley Meyer's Water Fuel Cell?

Yes!
I�m not sure if good old Stanley was a genius or a con man. Nevertheless I have done some experiments along the lines of what he was doing but so far I have not been able to produce enough gas to be worthwhile.

However I belong to a forum that is dedicated to duplicating what he did, they have great hope and some good ideas and lots of enthusiasm, so we shall see.