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Trial drug vastly boosts hepatitis C cure


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04-16-10
Hepatitis C patients can be cured in 24 weeks when an experimental treatment is added to two established anti-viral drugs, researchers in Vienna said Friday.
Adding experimental telaprevir, an infection-treating protease inhibitor co-developed by Vertex Pharmaceuticals and Johnson & Johnson, to established anti-viral treatments peginterferon and ribavirin, can cure 93 percent to 100 percent of patients infected with hepatitis C genotype 1, one of the hardest types to cure, said researchers at the International Liver Congress 2010, the annual meeting of the European Association for the Study of the Liver.
Patients taking standard peginterferon and ribavirin alone have an average 51 percent cure rate, statistics indicate.
Hepatitis C is an infectious disease chronically infecting 170 million people worldwide. It is one of the top three causes of cancer death in men and a major cause of cancer death in women.
Spread by blood-to-blood contact, the disease can lead to advanced liver scarring, known as cirrhosis, as well as liver failure or liver cancer.
Even after a liver transplant, the virus almost always recurs, statistics indicate.
The study presented Friday involved 161 European and U.S. patients who enrolled in a phase II trial, designed to see how well the new drug worked in various doses after its initial safety was confirmed.
"This trial is really helpful as it shows that patients with a good early virological response only need 24 weeks of treatment and that a twice-daily dose of telaprevir is just as effective as three times a day," hepatology Professor Mark Thursz of London's Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine said.
"Although the number of patients in this study was relatively small and should therefore be treated with caution, I expect such findings will make an important contribution in terms of patients' adherence to their therapy and overall treatment outcomes," he said. "This will ultimately impact on their overall quality of life."
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That's the spirit! Sell more drugs! Trade in one condition for three new ones caused by the Rx's.

'Antiviral' medications don't kill viruses, afterall how can something that isn't alive be killed anyway?
Antivirals kill cells, they have no brain so they can't determine sick cells from healthy cells.
Using antivirals is kinda like playing Russian Roulette.


No such thing as Hep C virus. People living a rotten lifestyle or receiving blood from someone that lives such a lifestyle is what produces this chunk of genetic material which is interpreted as 'viral'. Stress the liver and it will produce all kinds of goobly gook. Whether someone want to call it a virus, well, that is up to them.

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I think you are about the only person on this forum that does not believe that virus is real. That being said, that is all I am going to say.
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I think you are about the only person on this forum that does not believe that virus is real. That being said, that is all I am going to say.
It doesn't matter what I believe, or what anyone else believes on this forum or anywhere else. Belief is not scientific, thus it is more suited for things like religon.

All that matters is evidence. Evidence and observations is what builds science. The Scientific Method and all that.

Please direct me to the evidence that proves the existence of 'hepatitis c virus'.

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Thee Phenom,

I'd prefer that you speak for yourself. What you believe and what I believe aren't even in the same ball park. I came to this forum to gain knowledge of how to heal myself and to help others get well, not to become a scientific puppet for Big Pharma.

I have a very dear friend who was married to the perfect woman in a perfect clean life who suddenly had a massive heart attack and contacted Hepatitis C through blood transfusions about 1996. Months later he had two more heart attacks, forcing him to retire with the disease (virus) and full-blown diabetes around the age of 46. Now he's one forth the man he used to be...a recluse instead of the fun center of attention he used to be. I miss he and his wife. It certainly didn't happen because of a shabby life-style! He has suffered terribly!!
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On the other hand Thee has brought absolutlely no evidience that Hepatitis is not real. Where are your studies, your scientific evidience to refute that hepatitis is not a blood born viral infection that transfers through blood transfusion. A few guys I have met told me they got it from sharing needles in Viet Nam.

I too have known many fine and healthy people previous to exposure to this disease who acquired it through blood transfusion. Blood banks know know how to test for it and reject contaminated blood now so you rarely see it transfered via blood transfusion anymore. All blood donations are now tested for hep c which was really the inception of the hepititic C epidemic as far as we know anyway. This is how it found its way into the mainstream of the US population, from our soilders in Viet Nam, though blood donations.


I believe, not as a religious action but from reading tons of literature and talking to actual people who have the disease. Every single one of those people could trace their infection back to a surgery where they required a blood transfusion. Several women I have met got it during c section or other birthing difficulties where bleeding became a problem. They were perfectly healthy previously....

They also know how to identify a number of other virus, such as SV40 and this virus has been trailed through many incarnations thorugh out its movement throught he poroputlation starting from its origin in a monkey.. In fact they know how to test and locate many many different virus who's RNA strands can be identified with an electron microscope. Its the ones that they don't know that we are at risk for, especially in the manufacture of vaccines, as they are cultured in animal tissue, that often carry a wide variety of virus that are yet to be identified. It is only one of the reasons that vaccines can be risky business.
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Thee Phenom,

I'd prefer that you speak for yourself. What you believe and what I believe aren't even in the same ball park. I came to this forum to gain knowledge of how to heal myself and to help others get well, not to become a scientific puppet for Big Pharma.

I have a very dear friend who was married to the perfect woman in a perfect clean life who suddenly had a massive heart attack and contacted Hepatitis C through blood transfusions about 1996. Months later he had two more heart attacks, forcing him to retire with the disease (virus) and full-blown diabetes around the age of 46. Now he's one forth the man he used to be...a recluse instead of the fun center of attention he used to be. I miss he and his wife. It certainly didn't happen because of a shabby life-style! He has suffered terribly!!
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Like I wrote in my original response to you indeed people have received blood from people who did have a shabby lifestyle. Then the shabby lifestyle is transferred to them.
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On the other hand Thee has brought absolutlely no evidience that Hepatitis is not real. Where are your studies, your scientific evidience to refute that hepatitis is not a blood born viral infection that transfers through blood transfusion. A few guys I have met told me they got it from sharing needles in Viet Nam....
Where did I write that hepatitis does not exist?

You do know there is a difference in hepatitis and what is called hepatitis c virus, correct?

You are the one that proposes Hep C virus exists, so the burden of proof is on you.


I will offer that nobody has ever isolated HVC, and that nobody has grown it in culture. Nobody has extracted the virus and purified it and then injected it into animals who then developed hepatitis.

And nobody has ever documented that the so called HVC virus is infectious.


What is being called HCV is a stretch of genetic code that is human in origin, and it is produced in some people when they drink alcohol, smoke cigs, use rec drugs, and live unhealthy lifestyles or the subject receives blood products from someone that does so.
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Where did I write that hepatitis does not exist?
You are a distractor. It is implied that we are talking about hepatitis C



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I will offer that nobody has ever isolated HVC, and that nobody has grown it in culture. Nobody has extracted the virus and purified it and then injected it into animals who then developed hepatitis.
You are behind in your studies.
Takaji Wakita detailed the development of an important new tool for hepatitis C research: a cell culture system in which hepatitis C virus can replicate. The ability to "grow" hepatitis C virus represents a significant breakthrough with the potential to accelerate drug and vaccine development. Previously, the study of HCV replication was limited to synthetic replicon systems incapable of producing infectious particles
https://www.thebody.com/content/art1758.html

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And nobody has ever documented that the so called HVC virus is infectious.
Epidemiologic studies have been done by a zillion and a half agencies, pharmaceutical companies and healthcare institutions though the empirical scienctific method... really, you need to do more reading. Nurses are particulary concerned by needles stick injuries as they have been contamininated by the "nonexistant virus such as HIV, Hep C, Hep B through direct contact. I personally know one nurse who was fine until an injury during a surgery she was assisting with. She got hepatitis C... Nursing keeps track of the contagon of diseases through direct needle or other injury exposure.

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What is being called HCV is a stretch of genetic code that is human in origin, and it is produced in some people when they drink alcohol, smoke cigs, use rec drugs, and live unhealthy lifestyles or the subject receives blood products from someone that does so.
In saying that someone gets hep c, this virus that does not exist, though blood products then you admit to a factor of transference that endures and endures and causes liver disease. Just what is it in that blood that causes it if not a virus. Studies please. Nothing else will do... Oh!.. Could it be some promordial vapor? a evil spirit? a curse? perhaps a little dracula or werewolf?

That is the biggest crock of BS I ever heard. You go tell that to some of my Mormon little old lady patients and you might get smacked in the face either by them or their husbands... if not you would be run out of the room so dam fast your head would be spinning.

Since you have brought no prove that hepatitis c is not real and any bean brain can search the internet and find tons of info on the reality of it then I am fully done with this conversation. Don't even bother responding to me as I am not going to wast my time on it unless you can provide something other than your belief system.
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Now that is just beautiful right there. LOL.

Go to The Body for info. Wanna bet that it is a Pharma site?

And while I am on a wagering binge how about we really go into the 'detail' that was invisible in Wakita's research? For 500 Alex I will take Fake Virolgy and Scare The Hell Out of Everyone please!

I didn't read anything else other than the article you supplied but I bet the cultures were stimulated with a growth factor that also has oxidative properties among other things and isn't found in the human body.

Care to wager?
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