� #1
Old 12-05-2007, 08:02 PM
Harry Hirsute's Avatar
Reader
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Propecia, CA
Posts: 1,799
Harry Hirsute will become famous soon enough
Default Hearing Loss Breakthrough? - Dr. Wright Says So

Quote:
If you have trouble hearing, or notice that your hearing is not as good as it used to be, listen up.

Age-related hearing loss may be retrievable, according to Dr. Jonathan Wright, MD, medical director of the Tahoma Clinic in Washington.

By supplementing three patients with the bioidentical hormone aldosterone, all of the men -- who were either losing their hearing or who had lost a lot of their hearing -- were able to regain much of what had been lost.

In one case, an 87-year-old man who was diagnosed with hearing loss in 1994 was found to have low aldosterone levels. After six weeks of taking aldosterone, the man visited his audiologist and found that his hearing had increased 30-50 decibels in one ear, and 20-30 in the other. His ability to discriminate words from a noisy background also increased significantly.

An animal study has also suggested that the hormone aldosterone was able to restore hearing.

This process of using bioidentical hormones to restore hearing is actively going on at the Tahoma Clinic, which is presently the first and only place in the United States that is using aldosterone to restore hearing.
https://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_bl...ack-43770.aspx
__________________
You're officially invited to come visit my new blog: www.healthyfellow.com
Reply With Quote
� #2
Old 12-06-2007, 01:22 AM
Beloved Mentor
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 559
bifrost99 will become famous soon enough
Default

Aldosterone is a hormone normally secreted by our adrenal glands to retain sodium. So the end result is retention of sodium. Could it then be that hearing loss is a result of all these low salt (sodium) diets?

I never believed in low salt diets. Now, with this news, I would not be surprised if hearing loss is actually a result of low salt intake.

I also read that hearing loss can be restored by listening to, or being exposed to, high frequency sounds (Tomatis sound therapy). It's worth trying, for those who do have hearing impediments.

Gerry
Reply With Quote
� #3
Old 12-06-2007, 06:38 AM
Lecturer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: im lost, have no idea
Posts: 691
My Mood: Doh
just me is on a distinguished road
Default

My youngest son has lost a lot of his hearing, and the doctors say he will eventually become deaf... From the way I understand my sons problem, is that the hair follicles that stand up in the ear to block the sound to protect the ear drums dont stand up in my son's ears... They are all laying down, which means that loud noises are destroying his hearing.. (which was really bad for a soldier in Iraq) His hearing is so bad, that they deferred him from any more active duty Will this bioidentical hormone still help him???? Im thinking this might be worth a try.
__________________
God is and all is well
~John Greenleaf Whittier~
Reply With Quote
� #4
Old 12-06-2007, 10:06 AM
Harry Hirsute's Avatar
Reader
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Propecia, CA
Posts: 1,799
Harry Hirsute will become famous soon enough
Default

Interesting theory, Gerry. Thanks for the insight.

just me: If I were you, I'd look into Dr. Wright's option and Gerry's theory as well.
__________________
You're officially invited to come visit my new blog: www.healthyfellow.com
Reply With Quote
� #5
Old 12-06-2007, 12:17 PM
Harry Hirsute's Avatar
Reader
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Propecia, CA
Posts: 1,799
Harry Hirsute will become famous soon enough
Default

Gerry,

I have a question for you. Please read the following ...

Quote:
The inner ear is sensitive to changes in potassium levels which tend to decrease with aging. Falling potassium values play a role in the hearing loss[3] in the elderly. Blood levels of aldosterone generally decline with aging as well.

Aldosterone is a normal hormone found in all humans. This is safe to take and requires only an occasional check of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride, bicarbonate).

...

My impression is that taking a safe preparation to restore and maintain hearing (aldosterone) will be preferred by most individuals to wearing a hearing aid.
https://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james46.htm

Would increasing sodium levels (via salt in one's diet) also necessitate an increase in potassium intake (via diet and/or supplementation), in your opinion?
__________________
You're officially invited to come visit my new blog: www.healthyfellow.com
Reply With Quote
� #6
Old 12-06-2007, 12:21 PM
Beloved Mentor
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 559
bifrost99 will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by just me View Post
Will this bioidentical hormone still help him???? Im thinking this might be worth a try.
I've been thinking about this. Why did the researchers even think of treating with aldosterone??? Or why did they even think of screening for it in the hearing impaired subjects? Could it be because they now have a product to market?

As I mentioned, aldosterone is a hormone released by our adrenals, but it is needed and released only in very specific situations, particularly circulatory failure. Decreased cardiac output or some other condition resulting in circulatory insufficiency leads to drop in kidney circulation, causing the kidney to start the body's response to the circulation drop. This is by secreting renin and angiotensin (which constrict kidney vessels, thus impeding or stopping urine formation to preserve circulating fluid volume), which in turn stimulates the nearby adrenals to secrete aldosterone. The aldosterone then causes further retention of sodium from the kidneys, leading to further water retention (osmotic pressure). This retention of water/fluids is part of the body's response to a circulation drop.

So in all these, I wonder why they would target aldosterone? Do we think it abnormal for insulin levels to be low? Definitely not, because we know that insulin is not secreted when it's not needed (except in type 1 diabetes). In the same manner, aldosterone is not secreted when it's not needed, and therefore, by itself, low aldosterone should not mean anything. And since the end result of aldosterone secretion or administration is sodium retention, why not just go after the end result by taking in more salt? (And by the way, aldosterone is made from cholesterol. So if we're concerned about lack of aldosterone production, we should make sure we have cholesterol, or the body could make it if it's not stopped by statins.)

I would recommend trying sound therapy principles to restore the hearing of your son. It's easy and free.

Attached is a 1-minute mp3 file which I made long ago with the free version of Brain Wave Generator. It incorporates a high frequency sound with a binaural tone (needs stereo earphones to listen) which induces alpha (Schumann) frequency. I hope your son would try it and see if it helps. Just set the player to repeat so that he gets around 10 minutes of listening at a time.

(I had to convert the mp3 to a zip file because mp3s could not be attached. Just extract the file to get the mp3 file.)

Oh, and everyone else is welcome to try the sound file. Tell me any effect you might observe. (For one, the high frequency sound can drop one's need of sleep if listened to long enough during the day. And alpha brainwave induction -- you must use stereo ear phones to get this result -- puts our brains in an extremely efficient state.)

Gerry
Attached Files
File Type: zip Schumann-HF.zip (839.0 KB, 6 views)

Last edited by bifrost99; 12-06-2007 at 12:40 PM.
Reply With Quote
� #7
Old 12-06-2007, 12:30 PM
Beloved Mentor
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 559
bifrost99 will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Hirsute View Post
Would increasing sodium levels (via salt in one's diet) also necessitate an increase in potassium intake (via diet and/or supplementation), in your opinion?
Thanks for the info, Harry. Now we have direct evidence that minerals or electrolytes, in this case potassium, do have their role in certain nervous functions like hearing.

I know that aldosterone only acts on sodium retention, and I'm not sure about it's role in potassium balance. However, if aldosterone shows the need for sodium and potassium also has some role in hearing, we might as well get both. Or at least, make sure we're not deficient in either of them.

Gerry
Reply With Quote
� #8
Old 12-06-2007, 04:20 PM
Lecturer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: im lost, have no idea
Posts: 691
My Mood: Doh
just me is on a distinguished road
Default

Thank you Gerry, I will see if I can get him to try this!!!!!
__________________
God is and all is well
~John Greenleaf Whittier~
Reply With Quote
� #9
Old 12-06-2007, 09:16 PM
Iggy Dalrymple's Avatar
Lecturer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 782
Iggy Dalrymple will become famous soon enough
Default

My hearing is really bad. Mainly from working around loud aircraft engines. I can understand most men if I can see their lips. I have more trouble with women, especially soft-spoken southern women. I shouldn't generalize but yankee women seem to speak up more. I really have trouble with southern women on the phone. Maybe I should get one of those TV phones but they would have to do the same.

I've read where they're working on stem cell therapy to regrow the inner ear celia, but it probably won't be developed soon enough for me.
__________________
For now we see through a glass, darkly.... 1st Corinthians 13:12
Reply With Quote
� #10
Old 12-07-2007, 04:14 AM
Beloved Mentor
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 559
bifrost99 will become famous soon enough
Default

Iggy, see if the sound file I made will help you. The low frequency sounds (aircraft in your case, ref sounds, fluorescent lights, aircons, electric fans) we're constantly exposed to can dull our hearing, and high frequency sounds tend to bring back our "ear tone."

Of course, considering the nutrients discussed in this thread can be of help, too.

Gerry
Reply With Quote
� #11
Old 12-07-2007, 04:18 AM
Iggy Dalrymple's Avatar
Lecturer
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 782
Iggy Dalrymple will become famous soon enough
Default

Thanks Gerry,

I'll try your idea when I get a headset.

Iggy
__________________
For now we see through a glass, darkly.... 1st Corinthians 13:12
Reply With Quote
� #12
Old 12-07-2007, 12:44 PM
Beloved Mentor
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 559
bifrost99 will become famous soon enough
Default

Iggy, the headset (stereo) is only needed for the alpha binaural beat. The high frequency tone, which is needed to improve hearing, does not need stereo capability. So you could still try out the file with ordinary speakers.

WARNING! -- I need to mention this, though I'm not sure of the causal relationship: the left speaker of my Dell Inspiron 1200 laptop apparently burned up (yep, I smelled something burning and even had to look for smoke) when I was playing a high frequency tone generated from the Brain Wave Generator program. To be safe, do not use the built-in speakers of your notebook or laptop to play this sound file. I have since played the sound file with a lot of other speakers and ear-phones/headsets and none of these were damaged. I never dared to try in on another laptop, though.

Gerry
Reply With Quote
� #13
Old 12-07-2007, 12:59 PM
Beloved Mentor
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 559
bifrost99 will become famous soon enough
Cool

Quote:
Originally Posted by bifrost99 View Post
I've been thinking about this. Why did the researchers even think of treating with aldosterone???
.....
And since the end result of aldosterone secretion or administration is sodium retention, why not just go after the end result by taking in more salt?
I've been thinking some more.

While the effect of aldosterone is sodium retention, the real end result is retention of water. So for the effect of aldosterone on hearing, we might get the same result by taking salt, or by taking more water, or both.

Gerry
Reply With Quote
� #14
Old 12-07-2007, 01:24 PM
Harry Hirsute's Avatar
Reader
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Propecia, CA
Posts: 1,799
Harry Hirsute will become famous soon enough
Default

Thanks for all your input in this thread, Gerry.

I passed along the audio file to my father. If he uses it, I will report back on his impressions.

My dad struggles with high blood pressure so I'm not sure if added salt would be appropriate for him.

He also has an enlarged prostate and this may affect his desire to drink enough ... as urination difficulty (emptying his bladder and poor flow) and frequency are both considerations. I'll inquire about how much he drinks. Perhaps this is a factor.
__________________
You're officially invited to come visit my new blog: www.healthyfellow.com
Reply With Quote
� #15
Old 07-24-2008, 08:31 AM
Judie777's Avatar
Graduate
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Just moved to Kenosha, WI.
Posts: 130
Judie777 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bifrost99 View Post
I've been thinking about this. Why did the researchers even think of treating with aldosterone??? Or why did they even think of screening for it in the hearing impaired subjects? Could it be because they now have a product to market?

As I mentioned, aldosterone is a hormone released by our adrenals, but it is needed and released only in very specific situations, particularly circulatory failure. Decreased cardiac output or some other condition resulting in circulatory insufficiency leads to drop in kidney circulation, causing the kidney to start the body's response to the circulation drop. This is by secreting renin and angiotensin (which constrict kidney vessels, thus impeding or stopping urine formation to preserve circulating fluid volume), which in turn stimulates the nearby adrenals to secrete aldosterone. The aldosterone then causes further retention of sodium from the kidneys, leading to further water retention (osmotic pressure). This retention of water/fluids is part of the body's response to a circulation drop.

So in all these, I wonder why they would target aldosterone? Do we think it abnormal for insulin levels to be low? Definitely not, because we know that insulin is not secreted when it's not needed (except in type 1 diabetes). In the same manner, aldosterone is not secreted when it's not needed, and therefore, by itself, low aldosterone should not mean anything. And since the end result of aldosterone secretion or administration is sodium retention, why not just go after the end result by taking in more salt? (And by the way, aldosterone is made from cholesterol. So if we're concerned about lack of aldosterone production, we should make sure we have cholesterol, or the body could make it if it's not stopped by statins.)

I would recommend trying sound therapy principles to restore the hearing of your son. It's easy and free.

Attached is a 1-minute mp3 file which I made long ago with the free version of Brain Wave Generator. It incorporates a high frequency sound with a binaural tone (needs stereo earphones to listen) which induces alpha (Schumann) frequency. I hope your son would try it and see if it helps. Just set the player to repeat so that he gets around 10 minutes of listening at a time.

(I had to convert the mp3 to a zip file because mp3s could not be attached. Just extract the file to get the mp3 file.)

Oh, and everyone else is welcome to try the sound file. Tell me any effect you might observe. (For one, the high frequency sound can drop one's need of sleep if listened to long enough during the day. And alpha brainwave induction -- you must use stereo ear phones to get this result -- puts our brains in an extremely efficient state.)

Gerry
I gotta tell you guys that my head hurts and my mind needs to STOP!!! LOL! I WISH I was a computer so I would just KNOW about all of this. All I've done for months is research for my (ex) cancer issue, and now here you come along with a whole new ball of wax. I've never heard of sound therapy. Help me please. My husband had his hearing checked 2 weeks ago. Its BAD. He's 69. I've known I've had to yell for him to hear me but after the doc hooked him up with the aids he told me stop yelling!! (the docs aids in the office). They only want 5000.00 for 2 of them so needless to say, I've got to yell a while longer.....unless.....whats this sound therapy for hearing? I really can't locate a specific site explaining to me how this is going to help his hearing. Can someone here elaborate at all? I'd appreciate it, thanks.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
CANCER VACCINE BREAKTHROUGH? Iggy Dalrymple Cancer 0 10-17-2007 08:13 PM
Vitamin C & E and Hearing Loss Harry Hirsute Nutrition 0 09-17-2007 12:14 PM
Possible Breakthrough for Hep C Iggy Dalrymple Other Diseases 0 08-21-2007 09:09 PM
Hearing Loss Prevention Harry Hirsute General Discussion 7 04-04-2007 04:57 PM
Interview with Dr Wright Marcus General Discussion 0 06-30-2006 07:01 PM