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You know, where ever I go on this site I just don't see the bill.
https://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show
and I still have not found it. just an outline I posted on another thread.

And having cared for medicare patients for many years now I do think that some of their care needs to be limited...for instance, you do not proceed with chemo and radiation on elderly metastatic cancer patient, which costs a fortune and has no results. These patients need palliative care (which in fact may include some chemo and radiation in certain circumstances) You do not repair fractured hips on people that are over 75 unless they meet very specific qualifications in strength, mental coherency and bone density because unless they score high in these areas the post surgical outcome will be a failure. You do not have aggressive treatments for alzheimer patients. The best thing that can happen for them is for another disease to take them before Alzheimer's runs its full course.
I tend to think of age 75 as being middle aged.

Chemo and radiation shouldn't be used on any patients. They are a disaster. the future will look back upon them in disgust. It is common knowledge that both chemo and radiation cause cancer, so why would anyone want to treat a cancer patient with something that causes cancer... makes no sense to me.

As far as broken bones are concerned, the body will heal at any age if given the proper nutrients. I work in a hospital and nursing home, and see what is given to residents in the form of nutrients. Its disgusting, for supper they may get a hot dog, and there aren't any nutrients in that.

As far as Alzheimer's is concerned, they will never find a cure if they continue to look in the wrong places for the answers. Alzheimer's is nothing more than toxins in the brain. These toxins can consist of heavy metals such as aluminum, mercury, or an amyloid plaque, which is nothing more than mycotoxins that are excreeted by fungus.

Detoxification, including the use of chlorophyll, proper diet, exercise, and antifungal treatments can bring most Alzheimer's patients back to where they can function normally.
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In palliative care, chemo or radiation is sometimes used to slow the process down. You have to realize that these are the choices that are out there for the average person. I do not necessarily condone it but if one choose conventional medicine thats what you choose and chemo or radiation is a choice in palliative care. I see it work for some and make a mess for others. It does not cure and in palliative care no cure is expected. Only symptom management... and in most cases that is pain.

Soperhaps you have to change the diet of the world. You can start in the nursing home you work in pinballdoctor. In fact, I have to ask why haven't you already?

One needs to be a pragmatist when dealing with patients who really have no desire or education or motivation in healing themselves.... and in reality, that is the vast majority of people.

If you live by the sword you will die by the sword and thats just how it is out there in the real world and it is almost impossible to get folks to change, especially at 75. So in light of this reality I do feel that people should have the kind of healthcare that they want and that is practical for them and that they can be compliant with and that fits into their beleif system. People have the right to be wrong and we are many many years off from having properly educated folks in nutrition and other alternative modalities and you wont find many in nursing homes either as patients or as personell.

I always think of Sally Feild doing that Boniva commercial. I always think, how come, with her intelligence, her money, her access to the very best in the alternative healthcare arena if she should choose, that she chooses to do Boniva commercials. It is sad. Such a loss of opportunity... but then you have those like Susan Sommers.
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In palliative care, chemo or radiation is sometimes used to slow the process down. You have to realize that these are the choices that are out there for the average person. I do not necessarily condone it but if one choose conventional medicine thats what you choose and chemo or radiation is a choice in palliative care. I see it work for some and make a mess for others. It does not cure and in palliative care no cure is expected. Only symptom management... and in most cases that is pain.

Soperhaps you have to change the diet of the world. You can start in the nursing home you work in pinballdoctor. In fact, I have to ask why haven't you already?

One needs to be a pragmatist when dealing with patients who really have no desire or education or motivation in healing themselves.... and in reality, that is the vast majority of people.

If you live by the sword you will die by the sword and thats just how it is out there in the real world and it is almost impossible to get folks to change, especially at 75. So in light of this reality I do feel that people should have the kind of healthcare that they want and that is practical for them and that they can be compliant with and that fits into their beleif system. People have the right to be wrong and we are many many years off from having properly educated folks in nutrition and other alternative modalities and you wont find many in nursing homes either as patients or as personell.

I always think of Sally Feild doing that Boniva commercial. I always think, how come, with her intelligence, her money, her access to the very best in the alternative healthcare arena if she should choose, that she chooses to do Boniva commercials. It is sad. Such a loss of opportunity... but then you have those like Susan Sommers.
The people know how I feel about the poor nutrition in hospital food, however, they follow their guidelines and will never change unless the government tells then to, and that won't happen any time soon. They still insist on mammograms, even though they know perfectly well they cause cancer and are absolutely useless. Its all about money and greed.

Also, hospital ventilation systems should employ ultraviolet lights, however, you won't see that happening anytime soon either.

I lost all respect for sally Field when I saw that commercial.
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Speaking of UV light. A couple months ago I helped a guy build up a dollhouse to use as a show and tell to demonstrate how a bank of UV lights along the corner of the ceiling and wall could be used to disinfect a room. It idea was after the cleaning people had finished doing their usual through job when they left the room they would lock it up and turn on the UV lamps to kill any bugs that they missed. After a predetermined length of time the lamps would turn off and a control panel would indicate that room was ready for occupancy.

Have not heard back from him as to how the show and tell went.
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You know, where ever I go on this site I just don't see the bill.
https://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/show
and I still have not found it. just an outline I posted on another thread.
Once you click on the 'Official Bill Text' in the upper right hand corner, it brings up the outline. You can then click on each line to either comment on it or you're also able to click on a permalink which gives a detailed explaination. I'd much rather it be page by page to make it easier to read, but.......
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I am a senior on medicare. Every month I have $90 taken out of my social security check before I get it! Then I have a supplemental insurance policy $175 a month last time I ran the numbers it figures out to $265.00 per month or $3,180.00 per year. Someone please tell me what is free here. When employed I had medicare tax taken out of evey check, when self employed I paid it at tax time. Now I am using those benefits when needed.

Do you perhaps have medicare and medicade (welfare from state) confused?

Sad thing is medicare is broke because the politicians spend the medicare money down for heavens knows what all.

Anyone who can still bear weight on their knees should be on them praying because this nation has some problems and it is not medicare spending that got us here. Check out the greedy Barons of Wall Street.

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There was a program last night on a PBS station, I think, about Alzheimers
and how many there are with it now and about how many more are expected
to get it in the future, what with the many baby boomers who are getting
older. The numbers and info wqs frightening. They discussed the care and
cost of it.
I'll be 74 next month and so far see no signs in myself, nor any of my friends
in the same age range. Both of my parents died at 83 and had no signs of it
either. I can't help but wonder why there's so many with Alzheimers these
days.
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Early Bird,

Those who live on fast food and Big Gulp sugary drinks are setting themselves up for health problems and not only themselves but their children. Death begins in the colon as so stated by Dr. Benard Jensen in his book titled the same.

Our bodies we not designed to operate on a high fat diet. After years of abuse the body revolts in the only way it can through disease and sickness.

As to the PBS program and media in general I tend to take their figures with a grain of salt most of it is propaganda and entertainment. If you have lived 74 years I got a feeling you figured this out too.

God bless and may you live another 74!

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