https://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/dairy.html

https://www.milksucks.com/more.asp


Dairy is Big business, and with big business comes alot of lies and coverups. Its up to each member of the public to "educate" themselves, to sort through all the lies, and determine the facts..

When I was a Farm Bureau insurance agent, my favorite customers were dairy farmers. My largest account milked 1,800 cows. The cows grazed over 2,000 acres and the farm raised all its own hay, silage, and feed. My dairy farmers were the hardest working and most honest of my clients.

I don't drink milk any more but I do eat a lot of yogurt, especially since I noticed my blood pressure was better when I ate it. When I was a teenager and athlete, I drank close to 2 quarts of homogenized whole milk per day. They say milk builds strong bones. I've never had a broken bone. A car drove over both of the legs of my sister, breaking neither.

My commercial dairy farms all milked Holstein cows because they produced the most milk. My county Farm Bureau president raised Brown Swiss, a dual-purpose breed, bred to produce both beef and milk. The Brown Swiss likely produced a higher butter-fat milk that the Holstein. Jerseys were noted for producing a high butter-fat milk. Guerseys produced a supposedly balanced milk, rich but not too rich.

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That is a myth, and so is the calcium. There is calcium in milk alright, but the protein won't allow calcium absorbtion.
According to the two sites I posted above(as well as countless others) milk has no effect on making bones stronger, that is why its a myth.
Dairy farmers are hard working people, and I have absolutely nothing against that, but the whole dairy issue is a fraud, and has been from the beginning.
Raw milk is not as bad as homogenized,thats a given, but even if the cows are grass fed, have room to move around, get no vaccines, no antibiotics or growth hormones, the milk is still bad because of the protein. That is what causes disease.
I am not out to convert people to vegetarians. I am just warning people, and trying to cause some awareness, so perhaps some people will investigate and find the facts for themselves.
Thats what I did.

Just scanned the web sites pointed out.

Really? I didn't know that.

As far as I know, milk is one product (along with eggs) touted as "complete food." It's not just the osteoporosis that's pushing it. Besides, osteoporosis is a lot more than nutrition. Bone stress is the main factor in osteoporosis. No stress to bone, bone becomes soft.

'nuff said. To me, those who believe in this myth may not be worth believing. Milk fat may be saturated, but like coconut oil, it's short chain and medium chain fatty acids, also including lauric acid. Cholesterol in the diet is not related to blood cholesterol. Rather, it's carbs in the diet that affect blood cholesterol levels.

Insulin growth factor? That's digested in the stomach, so it should be no problem.

As for the second site, better look at the hypocrisy of PETA:

https://www.petakillsanimals.com

I remember several threads in the HSI forum about milk and if I remember right, those against milk are there to promote soy. Well, soy proponents have killed the coconut industry in countries like the Philippines, and now, it seems they want to increase their domain by putting milk in a bad light as well.

Just like any food, milk is advantageous. But just like any food, if it's all we take, we suffer harm.

I'm a milk drinker, but it's not all I take, nor do I take it at any regularity. I also take a lot of milk products like cheese and yogurt.

I think there are lots of groups out there with their own agenda. And I, for one, am highly suspicious of any move that goes against something natural. Sure, milk is now produced in "factory" conditions, but I doubt it makes it really all that bad. Besides, to lump milk as one product when it isn't (there's powdered, organic, raw, yogurt, cheeses, quark, etc.) is another tactic of those who want to eliminate a product because it is a big hindrance to their own.

If you don't want to drink milk, or take its by-products, well and good. But I know there are lots out there who benefit from milk. And I'm one of them.

Gerry

I used to drink a gal of milk every 2 days, but that was
before the antibiotics, etc stuff came about in milk.
I still love the taste of milk, but now confine my
consumption to a bit in my coffee, adding it to some
sauces, etc. I do eat cottage cheese almost daily, yogurt a
nd cheeses.
I doubt I'll ever give up All dairy products. The same with eggs.
They add too much pleasure to my meals.

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No site that is titled milksucksdotcom can be taken seriously.
Just the title tells you it's an emotional dogmatic
comfort zone for wild eyed types that refuse to think.

I am surprised to see a few people here supporting milk.

Last time I tried to talk about milk I got cut to ribbons so in my usual mode, I just went away for a while to lick my wounds.

I still think that milk is OK given that you stay away from milk treated with hormones and antibiotics. I raised my boys on milk, organic, even though it cost me a pretty penny to do so. They are long and strong and quite healthy.

I do also think that it contributes to bone growth and the source of protein is excellent. Of course exercise is important in bone growth, but it is not the only factor.

I also think that children and young adults have a huge capacity to utilize food that older people do not. They can get more milage out of a small amount of food, utilizing almost every factor in it if there are no allergies present. I've seen this in children who eat very little yet continue to grow at a normal or even above normal rate with milk being the cornerstone of their diet.

I did not feed my kids soy, realizing early on that the soy industry is a construct of monsanto and that oriental people never ate soybeans except in fermented form and they don't eat the tons of tofu that we are lead to believe and that soy dinks with your hormones, especially female hormones, and having two boys, well that was out of the question. No soy in my house.

When we finally get to our 8 acres in Idaho I am considering getting a milking cow to make real fresh unpolluted yogurt. There is nothing like fresh raw milk. I remember those big brown eyed swiss cows, Iggy. They were the mascot for the Bordon Milk Company and Elsie the cow, carved in 3D, wore a ring of flowers around her neck and peered down upon us from the pinnacle of the Bordon Ice Cream Factory in our small upstate New York town. Milk seemed sacred back in those days, as it was delivered fresh to our doorstep, the lids popping off as the frozen cream forced its way up.

Perhaps our world has some of the health problems that it does because we can no longer get good quality milk.

I agree. I also agree that any site (or study) that is sponsored by the dairy industry is not going to Give a "fair" report on dairy either.
I am not a seventh day religious freak, nor am I a true vegetarian, and its none of my business if people want to drink milk,or eat dairy products, for that is their choice. My job is to make people aware that they have been lied to once again, this time by the dairy industry.
Here is the problem that I am faced with. I know that dairy is unhealthy in a big way. I have absolutely no doubt about that. So do I just keep qiet or do I spread the word? I'm thinking that if I warn people, they may just want to check for themselves...look at all the evidence, and come to their own conclusions.
Anyone who does some research, don't worry about animal fat, for that is NOT the problem. It was mistakenly thought to be. It is the protein in the milk that is the culprit, and thats not even including the poor quality feed, the vaccines, antibiotics, growth hormones, and homogenization.
Here are two sites to check on milk. Please visit them, watch the videos, then check some more sites. Just keep in mind that the dairy industry is huge, and lots of dollars are at stake, so turn on your BS detector first:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYpafipJyDE

https://video.google.com/videoplay?do...77765978236346

We had a great football team for a small school. I'll guarantee that every player was a heavy milk drinker. We had a number of Seventh Day Adventists. None were athletes. Joe, a Seventh Day Adventist, was one of my best friends. He was a sweet guy but I could have crushed his bones with one hand. He wasn't strong enough to be a cheerleader. He based his vegetarianism on Bible scripture. The Seventh Day Adventists are pretty big on allopathic medicine. Many go into the health profession. Joe's older sister and her husband were medical missionaries on the Amazon River.

Loma Linda University Medical Center, which is run by the Seventh Day Adventist Church, was a pioneer in transplanting animal organs into humans. It didn't work too well but it probably will when they start transplanting organs from human-animal cross breeds. See "Cross-species testes transplant successful".

There is a large population of Seventh Day Adventists in Hot Springs. One family operates a great health food store. My dentist is a 7thDayAdventist.

Here is a "non-biased" report on milk, thanks to rkcannon from HSI:

https://www.notmilk.com/kradjian.html

I hope everyone reads this article.

True, each would have their own agenda to push. But who's behind the anti-milk campaign? Is it the equally huge, lots of dollars at stake, soy industry? I tend to believe so, and I've already seen how the soy industry wrecked the coconut industry of the Philippines with their falsified and false claims. Would they treat the milk industry any differently?

In particular, I find the scare against hormones, antibiotics, and other additives quite outlandish (at least for the US). For one, there are regulations about withdrawal times before milk can be released for human consumption. And I don't think big commercial farms will test the laws and risk their reputations, if not their business. (Know of any?) Another thing is that hormones just get digested in our gut, otherwise, we can have GH administration simply by mouth, but no, it has to be given by injection.

If we meet any claims of these drugs or hormones in milk, all we have to do is find out where the milk is from the the farm would be closed! But so far, no specifics are ever mentioned.

As for the "harm" of milk, I still have to hear that come from a milk drinker. Hear of any? In the HSI forum, several "examples" were given, but their connection with milk intake really seemed absurd. There were a number who said their health improved when they stopped milk, but such people also did other things in addition to stopping milk.

As a saying goes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. I've been a long-time milk drinker, and the only effects I see are good. Lately, I even have this observation that when I'm on an eating binge and I just keep eating and eating, the thing that stops it on its tracks is milk, with eggs a close second. Cheese seems to work similarly, too. Seems like milk is an effective "off" switch for my eating binges.

I still have to check up on the sites given.

Gerry

Yes, I read some of it. When I came across this fanciful distortion
"You may be surprised to learn that most of the human beings
that live on planet Earth today do not drink or use cow's
milk. Further, most of them can't drink milk because it
makes them ill." - I read only a little more.

Most of them can't drink milk because it makes then ill - nonsense!

I live in a country where everyone uses milk in tea, coffee, as a drink on it's own, in the thousands of coffee bars that have sprung up everywhere
True, there are some children with "glue ear" whose parents withhold cow's milk and give goat's milk instead.
For some years now I have bought supplies of local, organic raw milk from our Farmers' Market. I bought an extra freezer to accomodate a month's supply of this beautiful Jersey milk. As it is unpasteurised and wonderully non- homogenised. The health and safety police test this herd and the milk far more frequently than the commercial dairy herds, so I am confidant of its safety. Furthermore, the family who run the farm are healthy - they never fail to attend the market in all weathers. To me, that is an important measure of the quality of the milk.
My own health has improved in the past two years. I would be afraid to use homogenised milk now.
So, pbd, I regret that your point of view is findng little support here, but I don't doubt your sincerity in posting these comments.

The doctor was refering to "dark skinned" people, in which 90%+ are allergic to milk. When they consume milk, they have severe reactions, anything from a stomach pains/cramps, gas, intestinal problems, etc.
That is what he meant when he said most people can't drink milk. That includes most blacks, natives, and 40% of Asians,as well as 20 to 30% whites.
I am not looking for support, I am merely suggesting people investigate for themselves, and would also suggest that everyone read the doctors summary, near the bottom of the page. He also discusses raw milk, and the problems with pus and TB. You should at least read it.

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I took a look at the Kradjian link and recognized it as something I already came across before, most likely from the HSI forum.

As suspected, he endorses soy milk at the end as one of possible choices. Probably the only choice because the other two choices, rice milk (how can this replace milk it has negligible amount of protein) and almond milk are not that readily available. No, I don't think his report is non-biased.

It's also the site where I wondered about an outright fallacy -- dogs forcibly weaning their pups (as quoted above)? Pure myth! Bitches would even nurse dogs of a previous litter while the current litter is suckling.

I really can't help but doubt people who push their ideas with unfounded claims. The journal articles? In spite of the 500 citations, did it mean that all those problems reflected the general population? Otherwise, I should be hearing a lot of it. I'm Asian, living in the Philippines, and a lot of people here take milk, or just milk products if they're lactose intolerant and would not bother with developing their own lactase production. No problem.

And lactose intolerance is not a disease. It's just a lack of adaptation. Any lactose intolerant individual can eventually digest lactose if cow's milk is given in gradually increasing amounts. Or, if one starts off with just the powdered form without dissolving it (the cheap source of milk here is powdered), s/he may not even notice such intolerance (I wonder why?). Then there's the lactobacilli in yogurt and similar products which instantly takes care of any lactose intolerance. And if one just wants to make an issue out of it, there's goat's milk which does not have enough lactose to elicit the reaction that cow's milk does.

There's a human doctor here in the Philippines who's having dramatic healings of his patients by putting them on a diet high in choline, milk or whey, eggs and beef with marrow. And his patients include those rejected from hospitals because of "incurability" (click here). That milk or whey (which comes from milk) is part of his regimen, to me, attests to the benefit of milk. Click here to read about this doctor's regimen. It includes:
If milk is that deadly, his patients should be dying, not recovering. I have neighbors and officemates who have gone to this doctor for themselves or for friends and family members. All patients improved if they stuck to his regimen. I still have to visit his office, though.

Gerry

Evidently, more consumers are becoming acquainted
with the main varity of Milk sold in grocery stores and want
something more healthy.. I guess word is getting out

Kroger has recently begun selling Organic Cow's Milk,
advertised to be Free of Hormones, Antibiotics, etc.

I understand it's selling fairly well even tho it costs a
good deal more than regular Milk.
Most parents will try to protect rheir children, even if not
themselves.