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Mike, would you say it prudent in such an instance to increase intake of Genistein, possibly with a little Soy each day?

Genistein, is genetically similar to Oestrogen, and binds to receptors reducing or removing the risk of excess Oestrogen problems.

If Genistein is available in a supplemental form, may be worth it.

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I feel it best to stay away from supplemental genistein. As found in real fermented food like tempeh and miso, OK. But there seems to be a lot we don't know about genistein. Some researchers have described it as a double-edged sword. In other words, in some cases it can block estrogen receptors, and in some cases it can stimulate them. This might have to do with whether or not it binds to the alpha or beta estrogen receptor--not sure. We do know for sure that genistein can impair thyroid function.

I now think that phytoestrogens in general are much healthier for us than when I wrote my book. However, I think this applies to healthy folks. For those of us who have hormonal cancers, I feel the use of genistein is playing with fire. Here is an excerpt from my book:

The effects of soy isoflavones were once commonly considered by researchers to be anti-estrogenic--a good thing--helping to prevent cancer. In other words, soy isoflavones can block estrogen cell receptors. Some researchers, however, now assert that these dietary estrogens (genistein in particular) can also stimulate the estrogen receptors, thereby setting off an entire chain of hormonal events. It is possible that soy isoflavones can behave like a dangerous chemical xenoestrogen-- such as DDT. Dr. Craig Dees of Oak Ridge National Laboratory has found that soy isoflavones cause breast cancer cells to grow. In the lab genistein has been found to enhance the proliferation of estrogen-dependent human breast cancer cells.8 Some plant estrogens can act as weak estrogens which may be good, or they may do the opposite. Some appear to be estrogen mimics which carry a powerful punch, causing researchers to regard isoflavones as �a double-edged sword.�9 Others have even claimed that there is no direct evidence for the beneficial effects of phytoestrogens in humans, stating that �it is plausible the phytoestrogens, as any exogenous hormonally active agent, might cause adverse effects in the endocrine system, i.e. act as endocrine (hormone) disrupters.�10 Incidentally, use of Monsanto�s Round-UpTM on their variety of soybeans is reported to increase the amount of these isoflavones. These beans account for half of the soybeans grown in this country.
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I read in one of Doug Kaufmann's books that estrogen doesn't actually cause breast cancer, but gives a place for fungus to hang out, which actually causes cancer. Estrogen has receptor sites where the fungus can latch on to and proliferate.
It is interesting that progesterone is considered an antifungal, due to the fact that it balances hormones. It gets even more confusing because I heard Doug say on his tv show Know the Cause that fungus actually "eats" progesterone. So, if you are low in progesterone it would be prudent to use a natural progesterone cream. Last year I had my hormones tested and I had absolutley zero progesterone in my body! I have been using a cream for several months now and will be getting tested again next week. It seems to be a domino effect. IMO the best thing you can do to balance hormones is get rid of the fungus!

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In the petri dish and in lab animals, researchers can get various types of cancers to grow. I presume that they are very careful about not introducing extraneous elements like fungus. They also can study the cancers under a microscope. I would presume that if fungus was involved, they would be able to see it and put two and two together. This is why I have some doubts about this theory. But I certainly wish to know more. Does Kaufman talk about lab cancers in his book? I have yet to order it but certainly will.

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Interesting take on Genistein Mike, and worth considering definitely.
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Mike,

As I said before, his book on cancer is just the "highlights" from his original book, which he no longer sells although I have seen it on ebay and other websites any where from $125.00 to $225.00. He does give references at the end of each chapter which you can check out. This is one of the reasons I recommended A V Costanini's book on prostate cancer. It includes all of the studies done in his own lab. I'm not even sure which book the info about progesterone comes from. I heard him talk about it on his tv show. I take lots of notes while watching. Many times Doug's info comes from Dr. Costantini's books! Doug has been researching fungus in his own lab for over 30 years. I believe he knows what he's talking about. But that's just me! He backs up everything he says with references if that means anything. Sorry I can't be more helpful!

Doug says he believes that scientists and researchers "almost get it" some of the time. Because they have a mindset that everything has a link to some sort of bacteria, they are missing the truth when most of the time it has a fungal link. When they talk about different types of proteins damaging DNA, Doug says the protein is actually fungus! Doctors are not taught about fungus in medical school, or very little. He believes in the next 50 years or so, scientists, researchers and doctors will "get it!" There are over 500,000 known species of fungus, 400 are known to be harmful. I knew nothing about fungus until I started watching his show except for vaginal yeast and candida albicans which is only one type of fungus. Anyway, I recommend you watch his show if you are interested in learning more about fungus. I have been watching it for a year now. You only learn a little each time you watch, but after a year of watching, it's quite a bit of information, that's why I write it down when I watch for future reference. And then there's the profit issue using chemotherapy and radiation! Pharmaceutical companies weren't making much money off of their antifungals until they realized that they were also great for reducing cholesterol. Why? Because fungus makes cholesterol! So, they came out with a new line of "statin" drugs based on their antifungal drug Nystatin! There is a slim to none chance if you ask any doctor what causes high cholesterol and he will answer "fungus!" Also, fungus causes inflammation in the lining of the blood vessels and arteries which causes the liver to produce more cholesterol to protect the vessels and arteries from the inflammation! Did you know that PSA tests are three different tests for fungus? Anyway, I am not trying to convert anyone, this is what I have learned and am just sharing in case you find it interesting, too!

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Sally,

If "The Fungus Link" is Kaufmann's first book, it looks like it can be had for about 25 bucks. His last one, "The Germ That Causes Cancer," goes for about $29. It appears that Costantini's books cost about $55. Which would you recommend?

I'm almost afraid to read them because I will probably be convinced to give up brewer's yeast, peanut butter, and wine (sigh).

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Mike,

If I could afford it, I would buy them all. But if I could only buy one, it would be Costantini's.

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If i can only maintain 1 supplement, it would be spirulina. As it contains most of the nutrients in it.
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Such is the importance of vitamin d for brain development and the frequency of vitamin d deficient I agree with Vitamin D Researcher Dr. Bruce Hollis hen he says �I�m telling every pregnant mother I see to take 4,000 IUs and every nursing mother to take 6,400 IUs of vitamin D a day.

I think it is medical malpractice for obstetricians not to know what the vitamin D level of their patients is. This study will put them on notice.�

Vitamin D3 has to be the number one vitamin that everyone takes to ensure their 25(OH)D remains above 50ng/ml 125nmol/l. If you haven't yet been tested then take 5000iu/dailyDiscount code WAB666 for 3 months then invest $40

Most people are also magnesium deficient.The average dietary Mg intake in women is 68% of the RDA, indicating that a large proportion of our population has substantial dietary Mg deficits.
Krispin on Magnesium I use magnesium malate but the albion chelates are fine. magnesium citrate is best if you need the laxative properties.

Omega3. Again the USA omega 6 omega 3 ratio is roughly 20<>1 In the UK it's 10<>1 and ideally it should be below 4<>1 or ideally 1<>1
to correct the situation in the long run we need to follow Stephan's plan here but in the short term take around 2 teaspoons 2g omega 3 (that's the sum of the EPA + DHA) daily now.

or an equivalent amount of these.3caps daily.
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IMO it depends on what you eat, except for what you can't get from food like vit D in general.
If you don't eat dairy and eat nuts, bananas, greens etc and don't drink sodas etc you should get enough magnesium. But nobody's perfect.

Iodine is another one we are low in esp if you eat a lot of broccoli, as this affects iodine I think, it lowers the thyroid function anyway. But in general extra iodine is very important for cancer reduction. See donaldmiller.com.

A good multi also. I like Pioneer brand chewable.

Acetyl-L-carnitine and CoQ10 when you are losing energy.


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Ginger for general health also.
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IMO it depends on what you eat, except for what you can't get from food like vit D in general.
If you don't eat dairy and eat nuts, bananas, greens etc and don't drink sodas etc you should get enough magnesium. But nobody's perfect.
But we do have to understand how the RDA's for vits/mins/sups are determined and there is a lot of political maneuvering behind the scenes to keep these lower than is optimum for human health.
When they pick the committees do they appoint the worlds leading experts or do they get a bunch of nobodies to fill the seats?
When they decided the omega 3 regs for the EU recently they totally ignored all the expert advice and set the limit at about a quarter of the lowest acceptable level.
Now the same is true for the current Vitamin D limit and the new committee to draw up the new RDA will only have one member with a background in Vitamin D. Hardly and expert panel.
So although you can, if you are careful count up and see if your food items meet the current RDA you have to do a lot more research and gain greater understanding to appreciate that still may not be adequate for optimum health.
Something like Selenium you really cannot recommend globally as in some parts of the world we have selenium as an environmental pollutant, there is too much in the soil, and other places it's an essential nutrient because there is too little.
USA readers can consult the map here UK readers need to be aware that our soils are selenium deficient and so most of our grains and thus the bread baked from them, is also selenium poor. So it's an essential item for UK men wanting to reduce prostate cancer risk but in the USA ONLY men in selenium deficient areas need to use it otherwise too much makes things worse.
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Ok. We are retiring and facing a limited income. I am trying to figure out how I can cut cost on supplements and wish to maintain those that will do me the most good.
If you had to limit your supplement intake to only 5 products what would you take? AND WHY!
Arrow, did you ever choose which ones to maintain, and can you share your experience?

My choice would be a good multi/mineral, selenium, omega 3 fish oil, magnesium and k2. Hubby would need saw palmetto and beta-sitosterol.
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That's a tough question, but I've actually been whittling down the number of supplements more and more each year. So here goes..

Metabolic enzymes are still very important to me even though I eat mostly raw food. When I do cook, it's either ayervedic or simple soups and vegetables. But I use enzymes with all of it since they're vital to all body processes.

I would keep my green drink powders (including barley greens), whey powder drinks and colostrum. That's already 4. Actually that's a lot more than 4 because my drinks contain usable protein and many other nutrients.

My 5th would absolutely have to be my activate liquid zeolite. After living with lupus for 20 years from an overdose of mercury poisoning in 1986, the zeolite removes heavy metals and other toxins and makes it possible for me to live without symptoms.

There are a few more supplements that I'd miss a lot if they weren't available. But I'd probably be OK with these 5.
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