MMS, Candida, Heavy Metals, Leaky Gut....

[Bee123]

Hey!

I'm new to the site, but not new to the alternative health field.

I have been dealing with a myriad of health issues for longer than I can remember (and I'm only 25). Some issues I've been struggling with are:

-Heavy Metals toxicities (nearly all are off the charts)
-Candida (I had a MRSA infection in 2005 and was "treated" with IVPB vancomycin via PICC line for 2 months)
-GI Issues (IBS-C, IBD, GERD, Gastroparesis, early satiety, food intolerances, gas/bloating/cramps, dysbyosis, leaky gut, itchiness, prolapse, mucus in stools, sticky stools, undigested food in stools.....etc)
-Hormonal and neurotransmitter imbalances
-Fibromyalgia and CFS
-acne, itchy skin, anxiety, depression, PTSD
-Osteoporosis
-low wt

The list goes on, but thats a good jist of it. :-(

I'm seeing a chiropractor who is doing Emotional NAET for some past trauma I've had, but he is also starting me on MMS to hopefully kill whatever "bad dudes" are making me sick (I possibly have parasites and lyme disease too).

After MMS, he plans on rebuilding my gut with probiotics and other supplements, as well as embarking on homeopathic metal and liver detoxes.

1. Anyways, I was wondering if MMS will help my issues?

The protocol he wants me to do it the standard 1 drop MMS : 5 drops Citric Acid and increase until 15 drops MMS BID, then do it TID for about a week more.

2. Another question I have is how do I take this without it interferring with my other supplements?

When I wake up, I take Biotics GTA Forte II + Thorne Cortrex + 1 Meda-Stim and 1 gtt Iodine... all for thyroid and adrenals

With each meal, I take a multivitamin, 2-3 caps HCl, 1 ReNew Life DigestMore Ultra cap, Standard Process Tuna Oil cap.

With Breakfast, I also take a probiotic.

Between meals, I take 1 GTA Forte II and 1 Cortrex (for a total of TID).

In the PM, I take 1 TB Lifetime Mag/Cal/D (to help with BMs)

In the evening, I take 3oz aloe juice + 2000mg Vit C + probiotics (for BMs)

I also take 2 caps CoQ10.

3. How can I take my probiotics, aloe, Vit C, Mag, and adrenal/thyroid supps without it affecting the MMS or vice versa?

4. Also, which probiotic is best?:
-Custom Probiotics 11 strain powder https://www.customprobiotics.com/custom-probiotics-11-strain.htm
-Custom Probiotics 5 strain caps https://www.customprobiotics.com/custom-probiotics-adult-formula-cp-1.htm
-Klaire Labs 12 strain powder and caps (these contain inulin and a "proprietary polysaccharide complex" that the company says will not feed the bad guys, but all my research says otherwise....what's the final say?)
https://www.klaire.com/prod/proddetail.asp?id=K-TCP (Powder)
https://www.klaire.com/prod/proddetail.asp?id=V775-12 caps

Sorry this is SO long, but I have lots of questions!!!

 

[Arrowwind09]

MMS will certainly help some of your issues, especially Lyme if you have it. But in order for MMS to work for lyme it must be applied with enzymes. If you still have Lyme after all the antibiotics you did you have chronic lyme with a cyst formation and that is why you have not cured.

Go to this thread to learn about how to apply MMS in Lyme disease. This is something your doc should know about too!

https://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=20503

 

[Bee123]

IDK if I have Lyme... it would be nice to put a cause to all my random ailments, but I have yet to be tested.

Can anyone answer my other questions I posted?

Also, should I be taking charcoal to grab the toxins while doing MMS? How much and when?

 

[pinballdoctor]

I doubt you have Lyme, but would suspect fungal issues considering all the symptoms you posted... especially with the antibiotic use.

The MMS can be taken 4 hours before or after taking vitamin C, since one is an oxidizer while the other is an antioxidant.

There are several good probiotics on the market. Choose one that has 50 billion cultures per capsule, has 10 different strains of microflora, contains FOS (fructooligosaccharide) which is food for the active bacteria to feed on while in the capsule, and make sure they are coated so they open up in the intestines, not the stomach. A brand such as Renew Life Probiotics works for me.

 

[Arrowwind09]

I would say that only one drog of iodine is significantly insufficient. Search iodine on this forum. We have lots of info about it.. also search it at www.healthsalon.org

It would be beneficial to take a chlorella cap, at least 500mg two times a day. This will bind up heavy metals in the gut and carry them out... some Naturopaths order 1000mg twice a day. The vitamin c is the only thing that can disrupt mms that you are on that I can see. take it 4 hours away from mms. MMS will detox some heavy metals but It does not look like you are doing enough for a general heavy metal detox, but perhaps it is enough to start with. MMS is a powerful cleanser. When you are done with the MMS then you can see what may still remain.

To be absolutley sure that you don't have lyme a dark fiedl live blood analsys is the best test to do. Other tests have many false negatives and false positives. But pinballdoc is right. Your symptom list reflects chronic candida and gut issues for the most part.

 

[pmarcus]

OMG!! have you seen a Homeopathic doctor, or naturopath? to get a full physical? As they could probably help immensely.
I would be interested in where you grew up, was it solely in the city?
were you able to play on unspoiled play grounds? did your parents raise you in a purely "lysol" kind of situation ?The reason I ask is that there have been studies done where by Children brought up in an environment that is overly sanitized, as they get older become more, and more sickly, some younger children even develop autism. Because they were NOT exposed to the natural elements as infants, as well as exposed to all the Crap Vaccinations they are not able to build up an efficient immune system at a young age and therefore become exposed to all kinds of Ailments, so I wonder if you grew up in a similar situation, and are now suffering the consequences:roll:.

 

[Bee123]

pmarcus:

I have seen every type of doctor known to man, from homeopathy, allopathic, NAET, chiro, functional med, naturopathy, etc.....

I have a 4inch thick file folder full of tests.

I grew up 40min SW of Chicago, IL (suburbs). No known exposure to toxicities, except for the fact that when I was 2 years old, I chewed and swallowed a mercury-containing glass thermometer. But, that doesn't explain how I also am loaded with cadmium, arsenic, lead, tungsten, etc....

I was not a "sheltered" kid, and I played in the dirt all the time (mud pies, anyone? ).

I had a lot of trauma growing up, so it has been surmised that these events led to Polyvagal Nervous System Dysfunction and Polarity Switch issues. Basically, my nervous system has been on fight/flight/freeze mode since day one, which left me suseptible to all these health issues...at least, that's everyone's best guess at the moment.

I was vaccinated as a kid....as was pretty much everyone in the 1980's. :-(

 

[Bee123]

I was under the impression that FOS/inulin was not good, for it not only fed the good guys, but also the bad guys since it is a food source for BOTH and thus cannot discriminate between the two. Also, we eat enough natural forms of carbs to feed the flora, thus FOS/inulin is not needed. What is the consensus on this?

That being said, which probiotic would u recommend for me?

1. Custom Probiotcs Adult CP-1 5 strain caps: https://www.customprobiotics.com/custom-probiotics-adult-formula-cp-1.htm

2. Custom Probiotics 11 stain powder: https://www.customprobiotics.com/custom-probiotics-11-strain.htm

3. Klaire Labs 12 strain powder or caps (contains inulin and a proprietary polysaccharide blend....the company assured me it only fed the good bacteria and not the pathogens, but IDK how a food source can be species-specific...): https://www.klaire.com/prod/proddetail.asp?id=K-TCP or caps: https://www.klaire.com/prod/proddetail.asp?id=V775-12

Is a POWDER recommended or are CAPS?

And should I be taking S Boulardi:
https://www.klaire.com/prod/proddetail.asp?id=V776-12

What brand of Chlorella do u recommend? Is this one ok: https://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Chlorella-400-mg-100-Vcaps/497?at=0 (I like that they are vcaps and not tabs, for I dont digest tabs).
How do I take chlorella? Should I take this during the MMS treatment or after?

Thanks!!!!!

 

[Arrowwind09]

There are so many probiotics on the market it is hard to know. I like the looks of the first one you listed.. I use VSL#3 because it has been tested for colonization in the Cecum and seems to be preferred by many with Irritable Bowel Syndrome and Crohn's disease. I have found it effective... and when I make my own yogurt I put a cap in with what ever culture I am using

The time frame in the chlorella I doubt is all that important, one in the Am and one in the PM. NOW Brand chlorella is fine.

 

[Bee123]

Are powdered probiotics as good as the ones in capsules?

 

[Bee123]

Yikes... good thing I did NOT take my MMS yet! I just noticed that my chiro gave me a 50% citric acid solution... not the "normal" 10% solution. Here is the brand he is having me use:

https://www.oceanslab.com/products/MMS-Premium-Grade™-&-Premix-50%-Citric-(new-1-to-1-ratio)-Combo-Package.html

Good thing I noticed that... it scares me that HE didnt!

 

[pinballdoctor]

Are powdered probiotics as good as the ones in capsules?

In my opinion the probiotics in capsules are better, but in either case, they should be in a fridge when they are purchased and stored in the fridge while in use.

I just noticed that my chiro gave me a 50% citric acid solution... not the "normal" 10% solution.

A 50% citric acid solution, in my opinion, is too hard on tooth enamel.

If you mix that 50% citric acid solution with an equal amount of distilled water, you will end up with a 25% solution, and double the amount.

 

[jfh]

Don't trust citric acid for anything.


Citric acid is the principal organic acid found in citrus fruits. To meet increasing demands it is produced from carbohydrate feedstock by fermentation with the fungus Aspergillus niger and the yeasts of Candida spp. Effect of various fermentation conditions and the biochemistry of citric acid formation by A. niger have been discussed. Commercially citric acid is produced by surface, submerged and solid state fermentation techniques. Recovery of pure acid from fermentation broth is done primarily by precipitation with lime and also by solvent extraction.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0734975095000028

 

[Bee123]

I don't understand.... in order to activate the MMS, you HAVE to mix it with citric acid!!!!!

The protocol is 1 drop MMS to 1 drop 50% citric acid solution!!!!
(or, 1 MMS to 5 drops 10% citric acid solution)

What gives?!

 

[Bee123]

IDK if I should take MMS.... the more research I do, the more conflicting (and mostly negative) responses I'm getting.

Why do some people love it and say it nearly cured them...while others say it ripped up their gut, killed their thyroid, and acted as a poison?!

WHAT DO I DO?!

 

[Bee123]

Don't trust citric acid for anything.


Citric acid is the principal organic acid found in citrus fruits. To meet increasing demands it is produced from carbohydrate feedstock by fermentation with the fungus Aspergillus niger and the yeasts of Candida spp. Effect of various fermentation conditions and the biochemistry of citric acid formation by A. niger have been discussed. Commercially citric acid is produced by surface, submerged and solid state fermentation techniques. Recovery of pure acid from fermentation broth is done primarily by precipitation with lime and also by solvent extraction.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0734975095000028

By the way, aspergillus niger is used in nearly every digestive enzyme.

 

[jfh]

I activated mine with the juice of lime or lemon. So many use citric acid, and maybe since it is only drops, it won't be harmful. Also, the sodium chlorite should kill most fungi with osmotic shock. But I still don't trust it.

 

[Bee123]

You don't trust citric acid or you dont trust MMS?

How did u activate the MMS with lemon or lime juice?

 

[jfh]

I don't trust citric acid.

I squeezed the juice of a lemon or lime, whichever I could get. Then I used the drops of that to activate MMS. This was the original Jim Humble recommendation.

I started MMS when he first introduced it. I used it for 9 months. I took it to 15 drops, then used only 6 drops for 9 months. It did not fix my problem with overwhelming fungus. The MMS did not hurt me nor did it help me. Of course it does not work for all things. It did help my solar keratosis for a while.

 

[Arrowwind09]

Why is it that you don't trust citric acid jfh? Its such a common product used in food canning for many years.

Some people swear by mms for fungus and others have no luck at all. Wish I knew why.

 

[jfh]

Why is it that you don't trust citric acid jfh?

https://www.natmedtalk.com/showthread.php?t=22891

 

[Arrowwind09]

In my opinion the probiotics in capsules are better, but in either case, they should be in a fridge when they are purchased and stored in the fridge while in use.


A 50% citric acid solution, in my opinion, is too hard on tooth enamel.

If you mix that 50% citric acid solution with an equal amount of distilled water, you will end up with a 25% solution, and double the amount.

If you use a 50% citric acid instead of a 10% you use less drops for the activation process. It all comes out about the same. Then it gets way way diluted when you add your juice or water to drink it... being only a small fraction of citric acid.

If your teeth are a concern just rinse your mouth with plain water after drinking the mms.

 

[Bee123]

"Some people swear by mms for fungus and others have no luck at all. Wish I knew why."

I wish I knew why too. I'm deathly scared to take it now.

Should i be taking a "binding agent" like Chlorella or zeolite or citrus pectin in order to sop up any toxins when doing the MMS?

What do u recommend? What brand?

ALso, how is this supplement:
NOW Detox Support:
https://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Detox-Support-90-Vcaps/532?at=1

Or these:
https://www.iherb.com/HealthForce-Nutritionals-Intestinal-Drawing-Formula-Power-14-4-oz-408-g/19296?at=1
or
https://www.iherb.com/HealthForce-Nutritionals-ZeoForce-Detoxify-Daily-400-g-Powder/19357?at=1

Thanks!!!!!!!!

 

[Bee123]

Is this company's MMS and citric acid good to use? I'm a but weary bc I tried calling the company, but the phone number is a 555 number (1-800-555-2316) and no one picked up (it rang and I got a generic voicemail).

Oceans Lab
https://www.oceanslab.com/categories/MMS/

Nevermind... someone picked up and she was extremely helpful.... definitely calmed my fears down!

 

[Arrowwind09]

Well many people who run on line companies are not around much to answer phones. I see no reason to think that their product is not good.

As I said, NOW brand chlorella is good and I gave directions in another post. Apple pectin is good too. In general NOW brand are good products.

I think being deathly scared is a little overboard. At least Hundreds of thousands of people have used MMS. Jim Humble says millions based on sales that different companies report. If it doesn't work for you then you move on to something else.