I just found out about the FDA ban.UNBELIEVABLE! well not really!
has this ban gone into effect or are they just startin the process? could i still buy some? Ill be calling oceans lab where I purchased before but i need to know this now. i just cant believe this i knew this was coming and keep putting buying in bulk off. Can I still get MMS online at this time?08/28/10

A couple of weeks ago I posted this link on this thread:

https://www.purewaterforsurvival.com/1catalog.html

as a good source to get stocked up on MMS before the supply
lines started to dry up...
I just checked it again...and sure enuff... they no longer have any left..or are no longer selling it...don't know which... but if there is another source out there...I still strongly suggest that anyone with a serious illness, to not waste time getting enough to treat with..
as who knows... days~hours....there may not be any to be had period..

I think you will find some. I searched on google MMS water purification and I found some... but I would not delay.

I warned people a long time ago to stock up.
Now I get to say "I TOLD YOU SO!"

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why is it being banned?

@jw8725 "why is it being banned?"

1. It is not being banned. They issued a WARNING.

2. "The product instructs consumers to mix the 28 percent sodium chlorite solution with an acid such as citrus juice. This mixture produces chlorine dioxide, a potent bleach used for stripping textiles and industrial water treatment. High oral doses of this bleach, such as those recommended in the labeling, can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and symptoms of severe dehydration."

3. "MMS claims to treat multiple unrelated diseases, including HIV, hepatitis, the H1N1 flu virus, common colds, acne, cancer, and other conditions." There is no clinical research ANYWHERE that shows that MMS is effective in treating any of these conditions.

4. It's not banned, you are just warned not to use it because it has unknown side effects at small concentrations such as in MMS. But if you're into healthy living, and you know that chlorine dioxide is used to kill molds, to kill germs in hospitals, and as an oral rinse, if you drink this stuff you will be killing your intestinal flora. Be sure to at least take some acidopholous or eat lots of yogurt to counteract that effect.

5. Moderation in all things. A small amount of salt in your daily diet taken over years leads to high blood pressure for many people. Something similar may happen if you take MMS on a regular basis.

6. The body is its best healer. Don't interfere in the working of your body by using a substance that has not been investigated using the scientific method. So far, all I've seen is anecdotal evidence which is no more convincing than a placebo effect. Those who want to believe, do. But there are many people who have gotten sick off MMS and those numbers continue to grow; they complain to the FDA who then issued a warning. It's that simple.

3. "MMS claims to treat multiple unrelated diseases, including HIV, hepatitis, the H1N1 flu virus, common colds, acne, cancer, and other conditions." There is no clinical research ANYWHERE that shows that MMS is effective in treating any of these conditions.

Now Now... I guess we are just going to have to look at the FDA like they are little children that needs the facts of life explained to them, I have documented blood test and viral load test from my Hep.C records and a detailed log book with the doses and dates that I was taking MMS, and it clearly shows a 60% drop in viral loads within the first 30 days of taking the MMS.

5. Moderation in all things. A small amount of salt in your daily diet taken over years leads to high blood pressure for many people. Something similar may happen if you take MMS on a regular basis.

Sorry, I had to laugh at this one ..... You see, I also have a condition called Ascides, and any doctor knows how deadly salt would be with anyone with this condition.. I can't have any salt on anything, nor salt even cooked into foods. But with taking MMS at 7 to 8 drops for 8 times a day, do you think that I ever noticed any "salt effects" at all? Certainly not.... not enough to even bother a Fly. Now everyone knows what Salt taste like... anyone ever notice any hint of a salty taste when taking MMS ? Look this whole forum over.... No... not even a mention of salty taste... so much for a diluted few grains of salt.... God gave us good sense and taste buds, if there's not enough there to notice it...don't worry about it... Certainly never caused me any problems.... and believe me, I"d kill over from heavy salt before anyone else would ever suffer from it!!!!

Personally, I think that the FDA is really ruining their reputation and losing face amount the "peoples" which it is supposedly are to protect.

Do they really expect the minds of people are so gullible?

I wonder if the FDA's employment force isn't being replaced by too young; too inexperienced;and too immature management?
[I could say snot nose idiots, but that wouldn't be nice.]

Or perhaps they are under pressure to come up with any kind of mud slinging that they can think of, because the Fat Daddy behind the scene, threatens to dis~own them if they don't Stop the loss of corp. revenue to their Empire of Wealth from the big farm sales.
Who Knows for sure?......

Maybe some day they'll realize that the more they try to cover the truth up, the more visible it becomes.................

Again, there is no clinical evidence AT ALL that it works. Whatever your blood counts, it is just anecdotal evidence. it is useless as far as determining the efficacy of MMS. First, did you provide for controls to eliminate the possibility that it was a random effect? that there weren't other variables accounting for the change? or if it does work for you, does it work for ANYbody else, or only the anecdotally-inclined? What would need to be done is a study following well-established procedures for determining whether a substance is responsible for an effect and to what degree. The means by which this is done using the brain that God gave us (rather than just relying on anecdotal evidence ["it worked for hobo it will work for you!"]) is described here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_of_experiments. Get about a 100 others such as yourself. Follow the counts carefully. Be sure to track any confounding variables such as diet, exercise, weight loss/gain, etc. Then you have some evidence that MMS should be a publicly available good.

Also, I wasn't saying that the effect of sodium dichloride would be the same as taking salt. I was trying to say that taking MMS over a long period will have a long term effect. Another example: if you smoke for a long time, you run the risk of lung cancer. Some smokers don't get lung cancer (they get nothing, or they get tongue cancer or lip cancer or ...), but enough smokers do and the end result is so horrendous and expensive that there is a WARNING on every package.. If you take MMS for a long time you will likely have a long-term effect, perhaps not so drastic, but a long-term effect nonetheless. ... But then if you have Hep C you're more than welcome to try anything you think works.

The FDA aren't snotty nosed brats, they aren't the ones turning their snotty nose up at hundreds of years of hard-won science and experience in determining levels of substances that can be ingested safely. Your anecdotal case does not form the basis for a public policy that applies to hundreds of millions of people. Not everybody is you or will have your experience. And yet you draw an inductive inference that is invalid; it's a common enough mistake that causes boatloads of unnecessary suffering.

The reason the FDA has put out a warning about MSS is because there were over a thousand other people who had a different experience than you: they experienced nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and symptoms of severe dehydration. The people at the FDA, being good public servants and responding to the complaints of the public, put out a warning that this might happen to anybody taking it, even at the dosage levels given on the labels that they had received. Now, as it is, those thousands against your anecdotal case. But don't blame it on bad science, that's just not knowing or understanding how science works and how the FDA is set up.

Addendum to my last post: "The FDA has received several reports of health injuries from consumers using this product, including severe nausea, vomiting, and life-threatening low blood pressure from dehydration."

I'll call them and find out how many. But notice the "life-threatening" ... this means a doctor (probably from an ER) reported it as the cause of a near-death situation.

So, the FDA is doing their best to protect the public, based on the reports they are receiving. Feel free to issue a counter-report. But the fact is, MMS almost killed somebody. That's not a reason to take it off the market (bleach, toilet cleaners, cleansers, etc also can kill people). But it is a reason to warn the public to take care with the product and to not ingest. Just think of the legal implications if they didn't say this. So you are still free to risk your health with an unproven product, but that doesn't mean it's irresponsible to warn people that some people have suffered these effects from it.

It is clear now why you have the name you have. We have had too many people on our forum who have cured some pretty serious disease with MMS to listen to your doofdumb.

That's all you got? Name calling?

The FDA is (and MDs are also) obligated by law to report any substances that cause physical harm. You're smoking crack if you think that's dumb.

You say that: "Concerning Salt"
I was trying to say that taking MMS over a long period will have a long term effect.

I say: Considering that most everyone eats foods over a life time with a pinch of salt... so who gives a hoot about a few grains of salt when they are wiping life threatening pathogens out of their body!
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You say: What would need to be done is a study following well-established procedures for determining whether a substance is responsible for an effect and to what degree.

I say: Fine, YOU go DO all the test that you want to and prove whatever, but don't expect me to sit around for a few years with an illness waiting on your paper work, if you or the FDA sincerely gives a damn, then get busy with those test to help start stop the thousands of "humans" dieing every year... or have you not looked at the death tolls ea. year from various so called untreatable diseases.
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You say: If you take MMS for a long time you will likely have a long-term effect, perhaps not so drastic, but a long-term effect nonetheless.

I say: Long Term???? Again, that's about like comparing apples to oranges, most everyone that drinks down uggie tasting MMS is almost always doing so because: 1~They can't afford the outrageous cost of prescriptions drugs, and also the addition of more "outrageous" cost for the prescription drugs to counter the ill side effects of other drugs, only to end up looking to Alternative home treatments due to these many failures within our so called modern day health care system.
2~They have already been to doctors and gotten the final verdict, "You have an untreatable disease, you've got six months left to live or less". [Which is what I was told.] and I"m sure there are many other variables "why" over 80% of the population who seek treatments, turns to alternative methods..
As you say: The Counts or Numbers speaks for it's self.... Now take a real good look at that 80%..... so why doesn't the FDA leave the majority ALONE and regulate or try to control the remaining 20% minority?
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You say: The FDA has the~hundreds of years of hard-won science and experience in determining levels of substances that can be ingested safely.

I say: Poppy cock, "Hundreds of Year?" The FDA didn't really get under way until Theodore Roosevelt signed the bill in legislation that outlawed adulterated and misbranded food and drugs on June 30, 1906. Being called the Consumer Protection act of course. As for when the FDA first started to get into "determining levels of substances that can be ingested safely, I don't know, but I would assume that it was much later than 1906 [Not Hundreds of Years ago!]
Hells bells, come down to earth.... don't you know that here on planet earth that Iced Tea was invented a little over 100 years ago? and a little over 500 years ago, the majority of the world thought the earth was Flat.
I suspect that you might be stretching your time warp a little to paint an illusive case against MMS.
Perhaps it would be better if you took some time and tried taking MMS yourself to see that you aren't going to be six foot under from doing so, instead of trying to put the fear of God into everyone about it. Or have you not considered that if there is just one soul who is terminally ill, that does not try to save his or her own life, but based on your advice, sits back to wait on the FDA's approval and dies because of "no treatment available"... then where does blame of this lose fall? Does the FDA consider the same when they outlaw, restrict and shut down alternative doctors and individual who tries to help mankind?

1. So I understand that, if you've got 6 months to live, it's easy enough to get desperate to try a method that has no scientific evidence of an effectiveness that hearsay or advertising claims it has. But hearsay and rumor is not the basis of science or for making a public policy. And, again, MMS hasn't been banned, as many people on this site confusedly maintain, but a warning has been issued. Anybody is free to risk their health with this stuff as they see fit. Now, if death is the thing one is trying to avoid, I think the warning about dehydration and vomiting won't deter some people. I think it is dangerous though to try a method that has not been thoroughly tested by medical doctors. Sure it's good to be mistrustful of corporate greed, there's lots of things that do make it into the market due to political pressure (we can thank Bush and Reagan for opening that can of worms).

2. You say that I say: "You say: The FDA has the~hundreds of years of hard-won science and experience in determining levels of substances that can be ingested safely." But once again it shows that you don't read things very carefullly. What I did say was that they don't turn their nose up at hundreds of years of scientific research into methods that verify whether a product is safe or not. Science has a very well developed method for determining these things. What you are accusing the FDA of (and I am willing to grant you that there are lots of examples where they allowed crap out on the market without doing thorough research due to politics) is what I see the MMS suppliers taking advantage of as well: a naive public. Now, do some real science with this stuff, and we'll see. But the FDA has an obligation to warn the public about any stuff whose directions when followed sent somebody to the emergency room, about to die.

"if you or the FDA sincerely gives a damn, then get busy with those test to help start stop the thousands of "humans" dieing every year... or have you not looked at the death tolls ea. year from various so called untreatable diseases."

We are busy working on exactly that. Too bad there aren't more scientists to help in the work, we're very short handed.

i agree that the costs of pharmaceuticals are too high, but the development and testing costs have to be recouped, at least if you let the "free market" do it. Otherwise, make sure your congresspersons don't cut funding to the research MDs and other scientists who help find the means to treat these horrible diseases and to end all that suffering.

Your efforts at trying to get any cure or treatment "approved" by the FDA are wasted efforts unless the FDA can have all rights, controls and profit from the mass production of it, "And" that such a treatment will not hinder the wide profit margins of the already established treatments that are in effects.
The past actions from the FDA undermines their purpose and functions and they are out of control with their power, to the which that they have over-rules even the congressmen requesting them to seriously evaluate former "cures" that others has taken to Washington on behalf of mankind.
This applies to MMS too. It does eliminate viral pathogens. It will do this in water or blood in the right doses so that it does not cause damages to healthy cell or tissue.
I can say this to be true, and though I can not speak for any other person, I would imagine that there are a few hundred thousand others that can honestly say what it has done for them too.
But again, it is a complete waste of time to get MMS "approved" by the FDA regardless if you have tons of paper work to prove beyond question of it's effectiveness.
You stated above that: [Too bad there aren't more scientists to help in the work], It might help you to know that there has already been quiet extensive testing done on MMS already.... Here is one source with their results:
https://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/20...ful-chemistry/

But do all the testing that you want to, if you want to discredit taking MMS, that's your own opinion... I'd take it any day of the week because I "know" differently based on my own experience with it. All the rest is hearsay as far as I'm concerned.
I have NO GOOD to say about the profit~teers behind the FDA.....end of story.

May I suggest that you might find some enlightening information about the actions of the FDA helpful.
Below is a link for you.. [Though this paper is about the attacks upon ozone]

https://www.oxygentherapyexperts.com/.../oxy00605.html

Since you are interested in the science behind the workings of MMS ~how oxidants are used to eliminate diseases, if you would but spend a few hours researching the "Oxyfiles"...put in a search on oxyfiles, 03 protocols etc... there are quiet a number of them with a wealth of studies that has already been done.
MMS is also an oxidant, like 03, or ozone, though they are not identical in nature, they share many of the same viral killer qualities. This isn't anything new... Oxidation of pathogens to restore health has been used since the 1800's... proven time and time again, so perhaps the above mentioned research will hopefully help you to understand their valuable uses for wiping out diseases.

I understand the factors about MMS, and anyone who intends on taking it should first take the time to spend some serious hours in studying everything they can about how to use it properly and completely educate themselves with the in's and out's of oxidant verses antioxidants and "why" antioxidants are so important to take with any illness. However, taking oxidants too close together with antioxidants would only defeat the workability of their treatment with MMS. Also one should educate themselves completely on the effects of taking oxidants like MMS, it should not be taken as a stand alone protocol, simply because of the free radical factor when antioxidants are not being used in between treatment periods. There should be at least a 4 hours separation between the too protocols. [Though 2 hrs. has been suggested, I believe 4 would be better.]
Another issue to consider with taking MMS, is ones diet, the Ph quality of the foods within the daily diet, along with good rest and exercise. The major importance of exercise ~ getting a rush of oxygen flowing through the body, is a vital part of healing and should be considered a "Protocol" within itself. Diseases has a very difficult time multiplying when the body is flooded with oxygen everyday.... so look at "Air" as a daily treatment... and getting the blood pumping is quality of life.
Emotions is another major factor to healing the body, [as the ole' saying goes]~Disease is " Dis~Ease".
This has not been the subject of this thread, but this and more information is all within the site and there are quiet a few caring and helpful big-brothers and sisters here that are glad to help anyone who sincerely comes here to get help.