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Old 01-25-2009, 09:47 AM
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Question Loose crown after 3 weeks on MMS

Hi all! I'm new here, but not at all new to gorilla health tactics. I started out on MMS almost 3 weeks ago, and of the so many wonderful things I can see, I have a crown on a rear moar which has suddenly gotten loose and is causing me some signififancant pain.

I worked my way up to 2 sets of 15 drops a day, plus I brush my teeth with it several times a day and put a bit on a cotton ball and use it as an astringent and on the corns on my fingers and feet.

I did have some stomach issues for about a day and a half like the third and fourth day after I started, but it was gone then, and once I figured out how to get passed the smell I'm very happy now, but I am a bit worried about the tooth. I can't think of any other reason for it to hurt so much and be so sensitive suddenly to pressure except the MMS I have been using.

Is there a way that the MMS might have broken down the glue bonds for the crown? I'd like to say it's growing and repairing itself but if it keeps on hurting I'm going to have to see my dentist next week.

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Old 01-27-2009, 06:20 PM
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Well, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed that not one person had a word of advice, co-misery or even a hello, but I do have an update.
I just went to an extremely nice holistic dentist was is actually familiar with MMS and essiac, etc. We spoke for about an hour last night on the phone before I came in to see her. She speculates from that conversation and now what she has seen with my tooth that the old crown was not properly applied ( I pretty much knew that but had a hard time getting anyone to listen to me), and it left a gap around the edges and underneath.
We seem to have figured out that the MMS was getting up there when I was swishing it around, and the massive amounts of debris were reacting like crazy which created pressure.
In any case I am taking a two to four day break from the MMS except for externally so I can build up my immune system with all the things that don't mix with it, then I'm cruising right back up to a 2-3 week 15 x 3 day regimen!
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UrbanFirefly,

I'm sorry but you just caught me at a busy time. I don't know much about using MMS orally but one person mentioned that the gums firm up and become healthier when brushing and rinsing with MMS. I assume that could mean that inflammation and swelling was reduced due to bacteria that had worked itself around and underneath the crown, having being cleaned by MMS. That's just a guess. It could be doing you a favor by uncovering a hidden infection.

Welcome to the forum! I think you will like it here, but things are just a little slow right now. I hope you will keep us informed on how your crown and whole experience works out using MMS.

Good Luck!
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Urbanfly,

Welcome to the forum. Sorry I have been quite busy working 6 days a week lately so I haven't been able to read all the posts.

Yes, it is good your dentist knows about mms. Crowns improperly applied is a common issue in dentistry. Most teeth that have been worked on or that are diseased will have fine cracks in them where bacteria lodge and sometimes after a crown placement things just go to hell because the bacteria was not dealt with within those cracks.

I had a huge mercury filling removed over a year ago and a composite filling placed. My dentist said that most dentists would put a crown in but he thought a filling would be in my best interest so I went for it. Ever since I have had a lot of pain, which granted has reduced over the year, which has left me with a strong sensation of pressure when I chew, to the point that I don't chew on that side of my mouth any more. I has kept me from returning to the dentist to have another large mercury filling removed that I know needs to go. I was just waiting to see if I could figure something else out.

I am into ozone therapy and I have a medical grade ozone machine. Now I have known for some time that ozone provides excellent results in different dental issues, from eleminating root canal infections to actually regenerating teeth, and yes you read that correctly. Teeth, in some cases can be regenerated with applications of ozone.

So I am a member of a forum that discusses ozone use in dentistry. Not a lot of clinical advice there. Mostly dentists who are very busy. A couple of weeks ago the discussion came up of using ozone to eleminate tooth sensitivity, like in hot and cold. So I got the idea that maybe it could eliminate pressure also.

I took my ozone machine and gave myself a 90 second treatment, just allowing the ozone gas to contact the tooth....actually 2 45 second treatments, being sure to close my glottis and to blow the ozone out of my mouth, so as not to inhale it between the two mini sessions.

I would say that it reduced the pressure pain by 50 percent. So I'm talking about his on the forum and a dentist contacts me privately and gives me a contact to a dentist in my town who uses ozone and who also has some new and inovative applications of composite fillings. These fillings eliminate that pressure issue and they just are not doing crowns anymore at all.

So I called him two days ago and we had a long talk on the phone. He said that the reason crowns and filling fail or become painful is because of bateria in the teeth at are still present when the work is done. In time it comes back to haunt you. In his practice they don't do crowns. The clean out what is left of the tooth, assuming there is still a good root, treat with ozone, apply composite, treat with ozone, add another layer of composit, treat with ozone, apply another layer. He says it all in the bonding of the composite, and there needs to be no bacteria present for success. The ozone eliminates the bacteria.

In some teeth, if people want to take the time to do it, and if there isn't too much damage, the ozone is applied to the cleaned out tooth and in about 6 months the tooth can regrow. Ususally it only takes a couple of ozone applications that only take a few seconds.

I am usure about the use of this composite technique after the crown has been placed, and then removed, as we did not discuss this, as I have no crowns...but I would assume that if the root of the tooth is still good it could be a possibility.

So I will be going to see him towards the end of February after I return from my trip. Of course he was excited to meet someone locally who works with ozone as I was excited to meet him. He invited me to attend some of his lectures...we shall see.

So. this all leads to mms ,and this is just theory here, but one I have developed out of talking to a lot of people who use mms. I have talked with ozone practitioners and sellers of ozone equipement who have found that mms is a viable replacement for much of ozone therapy, which is cumbersome for the lay person at best, due to the machinery required.

Of course my first recommendation would be to find a dentist that does the kind of work I talked about above. But my second recommendation is that when your dentist does the repair, after he removes all the decay and prepares the site for the new crown or whatever he decides to do that you stop and do a comprehensive rise of your mouth with MMS before the work resumes. Also do a comprehensive mms rinse in the morining before you go to the office to have the work done.


You can read about ozone on Health Salon as well as mms.

There are very few dentists who are doing ozone work in the US and I was quite stunned to find one in my city this week. He is working diligently to teach other dentists and a fair amount of his time is dedicated to it.

If you pm me your email address I think I can send you some attachments on ozone in dentistry. They will give you further ideas on the topic.

And you could call my newly found ozone dentist to see if he has a referral for you in your location
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