\r\n \r\n I think you are on the right track but you should be doing more, like checking your Vit D levels, taking trace minerals, doing some weight bearing exercise and I would refer you to this thread where more discussion is going on. I have written a 9 step plan for osteoporosis that is found there.
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\nThanks for your advice Arrowwind09, I do take many supplements, and remember a long time ago using Horsetail for a short period of time, don\'t remember why, lol.
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\nThanks also to BeachMan and Jim! Along with supplementation, I try to get in some weight bearing exercise, such as light weights and exercise bands on video dvds. I will definitely look into Boron, as I\'ve never thought of it before.
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\nI appreciate all of your suggestions. I guess I\'m glad nobody pushed to increase calcium intake. I have the feeling too much will settle in my arteries, and I\'d rather have weak/porous bones than a stroke \r\n

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\nClick on the first Link in my above Post. Then in the Post that comes up, click on the Link for the supplement, Bone Restore. It contains both Boron and Silicon from Horsetail as well as the other minerals that you need in the proper dosage and ratios, which I identified in my above POST. Also, as I stated, be sure to read the details about each with tips which are provided by the Life Extension Foundation. Their research department is second to none, and they provide excellent and useful information in an easy to read format. And don\'t overlook Ostivone (Ipraflavone). When you click on the first Link in my above Post, it will be the first three Links in the Post that comes up. Be sure to read the Q&A\'s (Questions & Answers) about it. It\'s a supplement that can truly make a significant difference in ensuring that your efforts succeed in producing strong and healthy bone.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I agree, you\'re on the right track. For some excellent supplements, with concise and well written explanations of what they are, how each works, and how best to take them, see my post here: https://www.natmedtalk.com/general-di...eoporosis.html
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\nAlso include a good multi-vitamin and additional Vitamin C with bioflavonoids (up to 2000 mg, e.g. 500 mg 4 times a day), and do include some light weight bearing or resistance exercise (walking, jogging, gardening, housework, use of resistance bands and/or light dumbells, etc. ). Consider investing in a treadmill exercise machine if you have no place to walk or jog. Try to do one or more of those at least two to three times a week. However, if just starting an exercise program, do not be tempted to overdo it with the exercise by doing it every day. Try instead to give your body a full 24 hours or more to repair the tissue which exercise initially breaks down, before exercising again. By doing so, that will allow your body to fully utilize the supplements, along with good nutritious food, including protein, to readily repair and restore the tissue and bone and make it even stronger, thanks in part to the exercise.
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\nConsidering that our body\'s production of digestive enzymes often decreases as we age, you may even want to include a good digestive enzyme supplement to help your body fully utilize the supplements and food. Two excellent ones are:
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\nNote that the Source Naturals product, Essential Enzymes, includes the milk sugar digesting enzyme, lactase, which is not included in the Vitamin Shoppe\'s Pancreatin. Although you may not consume milk products, some supplements, including Vitamin C supplements, contain the milk sugar, lactose, for which you might want to take the lactase containing product from Source Naturals, or some other lactase product. Always check the ingredients of supplements very closely.
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\nThen as your body becomes acccustomed to the exercise, you can increase the frequency if you wish. However, I would still keep it to no more than five times a week, and that\'s providing that it\'s light exercise. If doing heavy stress exercise, do not do it more frequently than every other day. Otherwise, you\'ll just be tearing yourself apart over the long run. Occasionally or even routinely varying the type of exercise can be beneficial as well by stressing your bones from different angles via the muscles being worked, and will help prevent you from becoming bored with the same old exercise all the time.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Also try to include boron in your supplementation. Don\'t try to depend upon food sources for this mineral. With current major agricultural practices, it could be missing.
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\nBoron Osteoporosis and Osteopenia - an essential trace mineral. It can help you develop stronger bones.
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\nSome calcium supplements only contain calcium. Period. Others contain Vitamin D, vitamin K and other minerals. Most of the books about Osteoporosis state that we need these additional vitamins and mineral.....including boron.
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\nBoron Osteoporosis: Health professionals say that boron is necessary for improving bone density. But I never really understood its role in building strong bones. Recently did some research on the topic . This page explains why this trace mineral is so important for those of us who are trying to improve our bone density. And you will find that it has a role in arthritis prevention and treatment ...as well as a direct influence on cognitive performance.
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\nThis page might be more than you are willing to handle at this time; but please check it out anyway.
\nBorax Cures, the #1 remedy to cure fungus and bacterial related conditions.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Hi Kind2creatures, (love your name!), there is lots of great advice already given. I\'ll add, though, that there is research recently that supports it is low levels of Vit D that causes calcium to build up in arteries and cause strokes, not excessive intake of calcium itself. I suffered from chronically low levels of Vit D (cause unknown) but now take a daily supplement. FINALLY I am within normal raange and my bone health is better! Vit D deficiency can cause many other serious illnesses so it is very beneficial to check your levels, as it will determine how well you absorb any calcium you are eating! Best of luck! \r\n

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\r\n \r\n Hi there, I am suffering from severe osteo-arthiritis and am desperate. Pain killers I take between 250 & 300 per month plus the injections I get from my doctor. The professor said I need urgent knee replacements but because I do not have a medical-aid I have to go to the state hospital. Well here is just the problem, I phoned each state hospital in Republic of South Africa and guess what there is a 5 year waiting list. In a private hospital here the operation cost about R300,000.00 - R400,000.00 which I can definately not afford, I have no income and stay with my parents,. I am 58 years. Is there any docter there that can help me? I reall suffer, somedays I cannot walk. Kind Regards. Hester\r\n

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\r\n \r\n This thread was for osteoporosis, not osteoarthritis.... anyway...
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\nI have recently seen photos of the results of prolozone therpay, where vitamins, homeopathics and ozone gas are injected into the joint of patients who were on a list for knee replacement... I saw the xrays... bone on bone.. after the prolotherapy the cartilage was fully regenerated and no surgery was needed.
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\nI do not know what you will find in South Africa but I would start looking for a prolozone therapist..
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\nAlso taking large amounts of geletain and glucosamine has helped som people. It is hard to know why it helps some and not others... I suspect it has to do with digestion and the aging process.
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\nThis may help. Call them and ask them if they do prolozone or injectible treatments for joints. For success on this treatment I would say that ozone would be an essential part. You may not get the same results without it.
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\r\n \r\n YO! Kind2creatures Good morning.
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\nHere are some ideas: Get some beef bones and simmer for 5-7 hrs with some veggies and a spoonful of lemon juice or vinegar. Drink daily. The broth will have a fair amount of useful calcium. Also, weight bearing exercises increase bone density A little know fact: eating high levels of protein leaches calcium from your bones, therefore, do not drink an extra glass of milk for calcium, you might run a higher calcium deficit by doing that. Also, magnesium citrate helps increase calcium absorption.
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\r\n \r\n Thanks for the informative links saved!\r\n

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