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Old 06-29-2010, 11:09 AM
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I can't seem to find any evidence to support this. I was talking with my pediatrician about vaccines and was trying to explain why I was leery of them and at worst wanted to space them out for my kids.
She said...well do you eat fish....because there is more mercury in fish than in the vaccines.

My wife is a nurse and is fighting me on this...we have agreed to space them out more so...plus not get any of the flu vaccines for the kids....

Is there any thimersal/mercury in any vaccines other than flu vaccines?

Also, is there more mercury or less in fish than in vaccines? I understand its a different kind...

I get so angry....my wife is an RN...but she hears these stupid horror stories about kids in some damn pool who get polio....and what a surprise...in this stories being passed around in her hospital she works at...the kids didn't get the polio vaccine....

or some kids they are spreading measles that didn't get the vaccine....

everytime its time for the kids shots....we start to argue....
I'm not backing down....I'll keep bitching and complaining to her about how we should at the very least get only 1 shot per visit....
and not get the stupid chicken pox vaccine....

I wish there were pediatricians in the Houston area that were concerned about vaccines and were easy to find....they would put all the others out of business....I guarantee it....people are concerned...but from my experience...its too damn hard to find a good pediatrician!
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The mercury is in a different state. It depends on what state it is in. If it is methylmercury, a mg is highly toxic and if it is mercurous chloride a mg is nothing.
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Unless she is proposing that you inject the fish directly into your blood stream, it is not the same at all.

You bypass many of the bodies defense mechanisms by introducing anything directly into the bloodstream. I guess I could make the same argument that eating a peanut butter sandwich is no different than injecting one, since the contents are the same either way, but I don't think anyone is going to buy into that either.

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There is no longer any mercury in childhood vaccines. Only in the flu vaccine. I do not recommend the flu vaccine for children, or really hardly anybody except maybe the severly infirmed Having the flu will make you more resistant to flu in the future and it will train your immune system in a natural way. There are many effective treatments for the flu, of course that you will never hear about from your doctor

Polio in the US is very rare now. only occurances are coming from the vaccine itself. I have been unfortuante enough to watch a child die from the polio vaccine that caused gullian barre syndrom. He was dead in about 9 days with onset 24 hours after vaccination. The doctors all said it was the vaccine. He died of respiratory failure. I have seen other ill reactions in children to vaccines while I worked in a pediatric ICU.
At the very least, do not get the live vaccine. It may still be out there. Not sure...
and I seriously doubt people got polio from a pool in the US. Was not the pool chlorinated? If not purified they should not have been in it. If that could happen why are we not getting polio from lakes and most of all hot tubs?
Something else when on there I'm sure.

Polio is very rare in this country. There are still outbreaks in Mexico. small outbreaks. When it happens the Mexican medical authorities are all over it. I have seen towns swamped with their personell after an incident, vaccinating everyone. I even had a nurse chase me and my son down a beach!


Do not get the hep c vaccines, nor the chickenpox vaccine. Better to have natural chicken pox that gives a lifetime of immunity. No one knows whats going to happen with this chicken pox vaccine. Hate to have your kids get chicken pox at 30. It really is stupid to get it.

Clausen Labs, an independent vaccine researcher a number of years ago put out statements that Hep c Vaccine was leading to childhood onset diabetes. They begged to have infant vaccination for hep c stopped. Instead they were silenced. Now we have an epidemic of childhood diabetes. Kinda interesting I would say. Can we really say that the food kids eat is any crappier than it was pre 1990? before this epidemic formed? I doubt it.

Measles is a bad one. They have created a very bad situation for people who do not want the vaccine. It is almost impossible to acquire natural measles anymore. The vaccines wear off also. So you may become vulnerable at age 30 or 40 or 50. It seems that boosters may be required for the whole life. It is very uncertain but they do know that some of the small outbreaks in the US have been in heavily vaccinated populations. Most measles comes into the US from Mexico, and most of the people who get it here have been vaccinated. Their vaccine effect had worn off.

With measles I recommend that you only get one measles vaccine at a time. Do not get the trivalent MMR. This is a huge overload with the immune system. It can cause immune problems in some people and I am an example of that. I have had RA symptoms since it got it in the early 90s. Fortunately I have found ways to take care of it without drugs. It did nearly cripple me at one point.

My main distain for the vaccines is not so much the mercury issue and it never had been. It is the overload on the immune system, the other adjuvants including aluminum that is in many of them in it and the unknow experimental factor.

Sorry to say your wife is a medical drone. Of course you don't have to let her read this. But she is brainwashed. Mostly you can never wake these people up. The indoctrination is huge.

If you want to try to educate her I suggest this website. Theres a lot of good info here.
https://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...pediarix.shtml
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There is no longer any mercury in childhood vaccines. Only in the flu vaccine. I do not recommend the flu vaccine for children, or really hardly anybody except maybe the severly infirmed Having the flu will make you more resistant to flu in the future and it will train your immune system in a natural way. There are many effective treatments for the flu, of course that you will never hear about from your doctor

Polio in the US is very rare now. only occurances are coming from the vaccine itself. I have been unfortuante enough to watch a child die from the polio vaccine that caused gullian barre syndrom. He was dead in about 9 days with onset 24 hours after vaccination. The doctors all said it was the vaccine. He died of respiratory failure. I have seen other ill reactions in children to vaccines while I worked in a pediatric ICU.
At the very least, do not get the live vaccine. It may still be out there. Not sure...
and I seriously doubt people got polio from a pool in the US. Was not the pool chlorinated? If not purified they should not have been in it. If that could happen why are we not getting polio from lakes and most of all hot tubs?
Something else when on there I'm sure.

Polio is very rare in this country. There are still outbreaks in Mexico. small outbreaks. When it happens the Mexican medical authorities are all over it. I have seen towns swamped with their personell after an incident, vaccinating everyone. I even had a nurse chase me and my son down a beach!


Do not get the hep c vaccines, nor the chickenpox vaccine. Better to have natural chicken pox that gives a lifetime of immunity. No one knows whats going to happen with this chicken pox vaccine. Hate to have your kids get chicken pox at 30. It really is stupid to get it.

Clausen Labs, an independent vaccine researcher a number of years ago put out statements that Hep c Vaccine was leading to childhood onset diabetes. They begged to have infant vaccination for hep c stopped. Instead they were silenced. Now we have an epidemic of childhood diabetes. Kinda interesting I would say. Can we really say that the food kids eat is any crappier than it was pre 1990? before this epidemic formed? I doubt it.

Measles is a bad one. They have created a very bad situation for people who do not want the vaccine. It is almost impossible to acquire natural measles anymore. The vaccines wear off also. So you may become vulnerable at age 30 or 40 or 50. It seems that boosters may be required for the whole life. It is very uncertain but they do know that some of the small outbreaks in the US have been in heavily vaccinated populations. Most measles comes into the US from Mexico, and most of the people who get it here have been vaccinated. Their vaccine effect had worn off.

With measles I recommend that you only get one measles vaccine at a time. Do not get the trivalent MMR. This is a huge overload with the immune system. It can cause immune problems in some people and I am an example of that. I have had RA symptoms since it got it in the early 90s. Fortunately I have found ways to take care of it without drugs. It did nearly cripple me at one point.

My main distain for the vaccines is not so much the mercury issue and it never had been. It is the overload on the immune system, the other adjuvants including aluminum that is in many of them in it and the unknow experimental factor.

Sorry to say your wife is a medical drone. Of course you don't have to let her read this. But she is brainwashed. Mostly you can never wake these people up. The indoctrination is huge.

If you want to try to educate her I suggest this website. Theres a lot of good info here.
https://www.vaccineinfo.net/immunizat...pediarix.shtml
my wife knows how I feel...and she knows I get alot of my info from places like this...alex jones, lew rockwell and all the doctors who contribute to it...natural news....
although she doesn't know too much about those sites...she doesn't bother to read them....

I'll use phrases like slave to the state....I don't know if it effects her....
she ignores alot of what I say on the subject...but at the same time...I know some of it is sinking in...very very slowly...

well...we both agree to not give our kids any type of flu vaccine....so I guess there is no mercury....
but there's still aluminum and formaldehyde....

I'm going to keep talking about the chicken pox vaccine to her and tell her it is extremely stupid and pointless to give it to our kids....

unfortunately...there is no mmr vaccine where they break the 3 up....
at least not with any doctor around here....
again....if people could find peditricians who were the least bit concerned about vaccines...all the others would be put out of business....I guarantee that....
although I think the federal government (fda, cdc) will do anything in their power to make sure doctors stay in line and push these vaccines....
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Years ago, all 4 of my children - now adults in 40's/50's - got most of the
childhood illnesses with no problems except for some time off from school.
In fact, I Took my son to his friend's house to play to get the mumps from
his friend. 2 of my other 3 kids got the mumps, one didn't.

The only vaccines any of my kids had was the pertussin, whooping cough, and the 3rd one - forget name of it - the 3 mixed together. They got the
polio vaccine on the sugar cube.

This stupid country has gone vaccine crazy! Just my opinion!
If I were having kids today, I'd pass on as many vaccines as possible.
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I managed to find the MMR broken up. I found the measles and the rubella parts separate. You could ask your doctor to order it for you. You will pay a higher price but one bottle should be good enough for all the kids... and if he holds onto it for you you will have what you need for boosters.

I think I found them separate at clinics rather than pediatric offices. My kids never went to a pediatrician but once or twice when were well past the age of two. Trying to remember what kind of clinics. Check around for public clinics, vaccination clinics, WIC clinics may be able to advise and sometimes they give vaccines too.

Yep, Early Bird, when I was a kid and friends got these diseases it was sleep over time.... but I never caught any of them! Seems I have a natural immunity as tests later in life showed, or my case was so mild I didn't appear sick.

The whooping cough vaccine can be a dangerous one but they now say that they improved it.. would I trust that? It causes seizures in some kids and I have seen devastating effects from it, not the new one, the old one. I did not permit my kids to get that one at all. I knew so much less about vaccines when they were little but that one I knew about. Whooping cough is only dangerous in the first 2 to 3 years of life. After that most kids get through it just fine. I would watch for whooping cough epidemics as there are still small outbreaks, ready to keep my kids home out of daycare if it came around but it was never an issue.

One issue with whooping cough is that if the mom never had it and she gets it when the baby is small then the of course the baby is at great risk.
I never had the whooping cough. It was not in the neighborhood, so I didn't worry about it.

When one son was about 4 I thought he might have the whooping cough so I took him to a clinic. I wanted to know what was going on. They refused to test him for whooping cough until I stood there and screamed at them. He had been whooping for three days and turing blue sometimes as he coughed. He got through it just fine. We spent a lot of time in the bathroom in hot shower mist then I got a vaporizer and vicks helps a lot, ... anyway it wasn't whooping cough... but is sure looked like it. I couldn't understand that with the symptoms he had they didn't want to to a nasal swab test on him.

When the kids were in highschool there was a small outbreak in Salt Lake City. I gave them the homeoapthic pertussis nosode. Nothing ever came of it.

Of course this is way out there for an RN to accept but there are the homeoapthic vaccines. I have many of them and have used them over the years. You can read about them here:
https://www.healthsalon.org/195/homeo...-issac-golden/
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A few random thoughts from my scattered brain:
I guess the one thing I dont understand.... if everyone in the scool (hypothetically) gets the polio vaccine and one kid doesnt get the vaccine... how does that kid get polio... and why is everyone else worried... as long as they have the vaccine, they should be safe right??? well isnt that what they are claiming????
My granddaughters got the chicken pox vaccine... and now gets the chicken pox almost every year... granted a mild case, but still chicken pox... the vaccine didnt help, it just made it so that they keep getting it.
I read on this site, I believe, a report that basically said that for alot of people, when they get the flu shot, that with in a matter of months, they will come down with bronchitus... everytime.... My foster daughter use to get the flu shot every year, because grandma thought she was protecting her granddauhter... and every year without fail, by january or feb, she was being admitted into the hospital for bronchitus which seemed to always turn into pnumonia... so grandmother started getting her the pnumonia shot... My girl spent almost all of the winter months in the hospital for bronchitis and pnumonia... Once I read that report, we stopped getting her the flu and pnumonia shots... she hasnt been admitted into the hospital since.. Now she has gotten sick a few times, but nothing compared to what we did have.... getting the flu shots made her worse, and could have killed her.

i have read that the swine flu shot had a chemical in it called squalene... a very nasty chemical, that would be causing auto-immune diseases in people. I would double check and make sure that the vaccines you are giving your child doesnt have the squalene in it...
I have also read on this site, I believe, that while all theses shots have been tested to see if they cause autism or adhd or any of that stuff, that supposedly, these shots were all tested individually, that the measel shot was test and the mumps shot was tested, and the rubella shot was tested, but that the mmr shot wasnt tested as a whole unit... so that would also be something that I would look into...
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My granddaughters got the chicken pox vaccine... and now gets the chicken pox almost every year... granted a mild case, but still chicken pox... the vaccine didnt help, it just made it so that they keep getting it.
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This is terrible, justme... and I have heard similar reports of aberrant cases of the pox after the vaccine. They really don't know what they are doing... and this sounds like a case for a homeopath. Homeopathy is known to sometimes be able to clean the slate from ill effects of vaccine.


here is another point of view, in Homeopathic circles, some homeopaths think that these childhood diseases, because they have been with us literally thousands of years, and most of them are fairly beneign in the big picture of things, are actually part and parcel of our biology and our biological clock. In other words our genetics expects to go through these diseases as a child, and it affects our overall developement. that these diseases stimulate effects on our growth and immune function in a postive way... like we have been genetically selected by these diseases, and hence work though these diseases as part of our intrinsic biology, which makes us stronger.
Probably moreso for chicken pox and measles and mumps than the others.

Even with small pox, which was a huge killer, some families went through the epidemics with mild cases which of course offered lifetime immunity. You have to ask why some families got through it OK and others were totally wiped out. Just look at what it did to the Native Americans who had no history of exposure. If you got it it was 98% chance you were dead. Very few survived, whereas for Europeans 75 to 80% survived. Obviously the disease had made a genetic change over time awith exposure and then reproduction by those who survived.
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Oh, also in regard to eating mercury vs getting it in a shot... I will offer this. You can eat a cheese sandwich with no ill effect but if you inject it into a muscle, into the blood, even a very small amount, it will make you very very sick, even if you sterilized it.. Many things that are injested are highly toxic if injected. The gut can mitigate some toxins to an extent.
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Whilst fish have methyl mercury most types are also high in selenium which binds to mercury and prevents it being absorbed by human consumption.
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Whilst fish have methyl mercury most types are also high in selenium which binds to mercury and prevents it being absorbed by human consumption.
That is very similar in seaweed. There is mercury in seaweed; as well as other heavy metals. The iodine and selenium keep them from doing harm. Probably other components help in the chelation process as well. At least, I hope so. This is true in theory.
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So if the body is preped with selenium supplements before vacciantion do you think this could eliminate the problem?

Kinda shows the importance of a balanced diet with sufficient mineral intake.
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A great analogy would be you can swallow snake venom without any ill effects, but if you inject a drop (of some species) you are a dead man!
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