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You just said before that the Paleo diet is not constructed if you don\'t have the modicum of commons sense, guess you don\'t have it. People in our time are going and saying look "let us eat what we think these people ate." We cannot examine with close scrutiny Paleo people instead we have Rousseau type myths of the noble savage made by Paleo fanboys. How can we know more about about Paleo people we cannot study except from archaeological reconstruction vs. how much can we know from modern studies and looking at populations around us that are healthy? Like I said this whole Paleo fad, like the Zone diet, Atkins, etc. is a new fad created by unsavory people, unhealthy gurus, to act as specialists. But the traditional Mediterranean diet and the diet of Okinawa and Japan in general are real, their populations often live(d) longer, etc.
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More grass feed bs from another ex-vegetarian. How long do you scour the web for this crap? It takes approximately 16 pounds of grain/vegetable based livestock feed for 1 pound of meat. It takes 2,500 gallons to raise each pound of beef!( See:
https://www.vegsource.com/articles/pimentel_water.htm ). Before the modern meat packing industry centered in Chicago revolutionized the growing and slaughter of animals, meat was way too expensive for the laboring classes to eat much, which actually made them potentially more healthy provided they didn\'t substitute with "foods of modern commerce". The Eskimoes and other populations who eat meat as the primary component of their diet are extremely unhealthy and short-lived. This is why you cannot name a traditional diet from a people that eat high meat content that anyone can promote as healthy. Even the Paleo and Price fanboys don\'t promote the Eskimo example because it would burst their grass fed myth, since they had numerous problems from being such total carnivores and looked ugly and worn in old age(which for them was quite young even the standards of the American diet).
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Max Gerson since the early 20th Century has treated so many diseases by cutting out meat, salt and eliminating the foods of "modern commerce" as Weston Price called them(so you don\'t go off another huge tangent rant). People have reversed so many chronic conditions just by going on a vegan diet dominated by fruits, vegetables and 8-12 fruit and vegetable juices a day. He even published case studies on this:
A Cancer Therapy: Results of Fifty Cases and the Cure of Advanced Cancer\r\nThe Gerson Therapy has also been used to treat diabetes, fructose from fruits is cut out from such patients until their body can produce insulin again without synthetic medications.
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Here is what Gary Null says about the false prophets that dominate as American health gurus, people like Robert Atkins who are unhealthy, toxic people and encouraging other people to follow their lazy, slovenly ways:
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The people whose blogs you read so diligently have a small fraction of the health knowledge of Null. What they are saying is 1/10th of what he says people should strive for in health and in life. For him, health is more of a life-long process of diet and lifestyle modification. Totally unlike becoming a Price or Paleo fanboy, adopting that easy to implement comfort diet and sitting on the couch afterward.\r\n
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The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing?)
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