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Ok i need to know, which milk is the best for me to consume?

I need to always have at home something milk-wise, coconut,rice,cow,goat whatever is the Healthiest!!

I have no allergies that i know of and i have no intolerances that i know of, im looking Strictly Health, assuming taste does not concern me, assuming hypothetically money is not a problem...

What would the healthiest or the two healthiest choices be, because having two products at home and using a bit of both daily would of course offer me a vider variety of benefits than limiting myself to one choice... (like for sugars which i also kinda cant live without i use stevia for some things, xylitol for others, and i decide on what to use where based on taste preference)

So milk-wise??

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I would suggest any non dairy, GMO free milk. That would include coconut, almond, and rice milk for starters and would also suggest a variety rather than just one type. That way you get the benefit from each.

If you insist on drinking animal milk, I would suggest goats milk. However, as stated above, I would suggest non dairy milk..
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I use goats milk pretty regularly. I also make yogurt out of it. There is so much documentation out there of the benefits of goats milk that I see no downside unless there is an intolerance.

But I will also add that I have access to very fresh goats milk, like on the day the goat is milked. It doesnt taste very good when its over 3 days old. .. this is in part because it is a living product and bacteria will grow. There are some people who like it after its older and I have a friend who keeps it on the counter for many days to naturally age... not for me...

I would recommend that you select two or three products and rotate them. They all have their own benefits that are different so why only take one? I personally really like almond milk. Rice milk is too high in carbs for me but it may not be for you.

I never recommend soy milk because of the estrogens it contains, and most of it is GMO which is another added health risk.
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If you get serious about the non-dairy "milk" save oodles of money and the environment and invest in one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/SoyaJoy-SJ5-So.../dp/B001OKM8MS

I got one years ago when we all had to be dairy-free and we realized that *everything* except one brand of soy milk had corn in it, so we had to just make our own. It make take a little experimentation to get a consistency you're ok with. Commercial milks add stuff like xanthan gum to make it seem thicker and smooth on your tongue.

We're not dairy free any more but sometimes I need to make something that is, so I still have my handy soy milk maker. Push a button and 16 minutes later...milk. Couldn't be easier.

Personally I have no use for rice milk. You can't use it in cooking and it tastes like dirty water to me. But my favorite was always almond milk. YUM.

Soy and almond milks are good standbys for baking and cooking. You really can't tell the difference between using those and real dairy milk unless it's something that calls for heavy cream or sour cream.

For recipes that need cream I substituted coconut cream (not milk) successfully.

Hazelnut milk is awesome if you're making a rich dessert or you put milk in your coffee.

But zomg if you want the best hot cocoa possible, get chocolate almond milk and warm it up. It's even better than the real thing if you want a wintertime treat.
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Yes i think goat is the way to go from what i read already and you confirmed.. And it doesnt matter that its animal milk, i do care about meat and eat only one kind at home but the milk its a differend story, i do eat cheese too, the greek traditional one halloumi from goat and sheep, it is salted too...

anyway goats milk is also the easiest to get around here, because for most of those milk-drinks id have to go only to places that sell natural products and they are not many, but goat milk can be found in more places...

right now im drinking cow's milk the one that expires like 5 days usually after you buy it you know there is a date on the box usually its a few days from the day you buy it the expiry date, but it can last a week usually in the fridge, and some soya drinks from the organic kind, hopefully the label isnt lying

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ok something else, what about drinking both cow and goat's milk, would that be a problem in any way, healthwise?

I drink around 4L of milk a week i would say, on average, mostly cow milk, is that alot or a little?

Animal milks expire much faster so i think that the life is there i guess.. i see milks that last for months, and soya milk says ''to drink within 3 days after opening'', but soya can then sit in a store somewhere for i dont know how long, and ive been raised to know milk is good, so its like a tradition nowadays...haha
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I drink around 4L of milk a week i would say, on average, mostly cow milk, is that alot or a little?
That seems like quite a bit.

Of course, what's good for one person may not be for another, but it might be worth considering that cow's milk is intended for baby cows, and it's designed with lots of calories so they can grow quickly.


So for an adult human to be drinking something designed to fatten up a baby cow, well, as always, it's best to keep things in moderation.

At one point I realized I drank things that had a flavor to them because the (tap) water tasted so nasty. I put in an osmosis filtering system, and now I drink more water than anything. I drink coffee and sometimes a bit of tea, but mostly water. 0 calories. Absolutely necessary to maintain health.
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[QUOTE=pinballdoctor;202093]I would suggest any non dairy, GMO free milk. That would include coconut, almond, and rice milk for starters and would also suggest a variety rather than just one type. That way you get the benefit from each. [QUOTE]

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I use goats milk pretty regularly. I also make yogurt out of it. There is so much documentation out there of the benefits of goats milk that I see no downside unless there is an intolerance.
No downside? Not unless you're the poor kid the milk was intended for...

ALL animal milk contains growth hormones. ALL animal milk therefore poses a potential health risk (breast cancer etc.)
Goats may not have been cross-bred to increase milk yields and they may not be fed artificial growth promoters like commercial dairy cows are, but that doesn't make it health risk free and it certainly doesn't make it right!
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ok something else, what about drinking both cow and goat's milk, would that be a problem in any way, healthwise?

I drink around 4L of milk a week i would say, on average, mostly cow milk, is that alot or a little?

Animal milks expire much faster so i think that the life is there i guess.. i see milks that last for months, and soya milk says ''to drink within 3 days after opening'', but soya can then sit in a store somewhere for i dont know how long, and ive been raised to know milk is good, so its like a tradition nowadays...haha
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I was raised around cattle, and even helped to milk them manually. I have not drunk any milk since moving away from home years ago.

1) I think I'm related to Adrean Monk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Monk and have seen sick and filthy cows.

2) There is significant association with milk and prostate cancer. https://www.cancerproject.org/surviva...tate_dairy.php and this is not the only study.
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OK what about cow�s milk? Yes I know many don�t like it and some are allergic to it. But it has been around and used for centuries with overall good results.

It appears to be at its best for you when it comes straight from the cow. However this does require some special handling. Before milking the cow it must be carefully cleaned to prevent the milk from getting contaminated with some undesirable �bugs�.

But that takes time and can be a lot of extra work for the farmer. Thus we have pasteurization. With it the farmer does not have to be as carefully in cleaning his cows because the pasteurizing process will kill any of the �bugs� he might miss. This saves him a lot of time. Also the pasteurization allows the milk to stay fresher longer. Thus it can be shipped from one state to another for packaging and then shipped back to the original state for sale where it can sit on a shelf for days before it is sold and still will not turn sour. This is because all of the bacteria that would cause it to go bad have been killed. Unfortunately this same process that kills the bad bacteria also kills the good bacteria. Thus most of the benefits of drinking milk are lost. Then this milk is can be further stripped of its nutritional value by making it into skimmed milk.

At this point this �so called milk� is not much more then colored sugar water. It is then sold to people as a way to lose weight because all the �fats have been removed�. Of course at the same time the farmers will feed this sugar water to their animals to fatten them up before taking them to market.

So the question is not is milk good or bad but rather just what kind of milk are you drinking? One that has been striped of all its nutritional value or one that is the way that the cow produced it.
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Well, that and whether you can tolerate milk or not.

Half of my heritage is Dutch. I may have a nistory of milk allergy, but I'm fairly convinced that had more to do with the chemical industry dumping PBBs into the dairy cattle feed supply in Michigan than actual allergy to milk. Although our allergy doc does say pasteurization does change the proteins and that may make it more likely to trigger an allergy.

Speaking of the allergy doc (who's a chiropractor, btw) he does say if you're going to bother to drink milk you might as well drink whole. It's pretty much what you've said on the topic -- the more fat you remove the more you make milk something too quickly disgested that actually makes your body store the excess calories as fat.

I'm neither for nor against drinking milk, more because it seems to depend on the individual's situation, so making blanket statements is not somewhere I'd like to go.

My rule of thumb about anything dietary is if some human culture has used a food for years, it's probably because it was safe enough to eat. I'm not going to ever be part of the "Food X is evil" crowd, no matter what food anyone is talking about.
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Rice milk is not a good suggestion as many brands contain polyunsaturated vegetable oils & added sweetners.

You could make your own almond milk so you know exactly what's in it.

4 cups of spring water or filtered water
1 1⁄2 cups of raw almonds


* soak almonds in water overnight
* blend the almonds with water
* strain once to remove left over almond granules

Adjust the recipe amounts to fit your usage.
Can keep for 3 days in the refrigerator.

If you want to add a little sweetness, some people add a couple of dates to the blender.




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Rice milk is not a good suggestion as many brands contain polyunsaturated vegetable oils & added sweetners.
Every single one of them contains some form of corn. As does every other non-dairy milk, except unsweetened Westsoy soymilk.

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You could make your own almond milk so you know exactly what's in it.

4 cups of spring water or filtered water
1 1⁄2 cups of raw almonds
I use a soymilk maker for almond milk, which works even better, and I save the remains of the almonds to use in place of sour cream in baked goods. Or heck, just even in baked goods. The almonds still have plenty of richness left in them. Yummy!

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If you want to add a little sweetness, some people add a couple of dates to the blender.
It works quite well to do that, as the date provide not only sweetness but also a bit of "body" to the finished product.
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