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Old 02-06-2010, 02:54 AM
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Default Seemingly good advice on the cause of cancer and natural remedies

This is a very good article about the cause of cancer and natural ways to treat it.

https://seegerscanceranswer.com/
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I enjoyed that article. It seems that I've read most of it before.

The seven steps are good regardless of whether they relate to cancer.

However a small part of step 2 is not quite right for my understanding.

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Virtually all cancer patients test strongly acidic on a saliva pH test! Cancer thrives in an over-acid body!
OK I agree that nearly all cancer patients test strongly acidic on a saliva pH test. Though I don't think that saliva tests are so accurate. This is a good cancer marker; and one would do best to find out why the body leans heavily toward the acidic or alkaline side. By now, the immune system will be overwhelmed in its normal desire to keep the parts of the body in their normal pH range. A weakened immune system will allow the cancer to proliferate.

I do not agree that cancer thrives in a over-acid or even acidic body. Cancer, and even friendly flora, produce acid in their normal process. Cancer, however, is just more aggressive in that process. Cancer itself is not acidic.

Recent article by Bill Sardi. Not a long article; and worth the investigation.

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But it wasn’t just conventional medicine that got side-tracked by Warburg’s discovery. In "the Warburg Effect," tumor cells expel lactic acid as a by-product, and this later became known as the alkalinity-acidity theory of cancer promoted by many pseudo-scientists. This spawned a number of books that mistakenly advocated an alkaline diet would cure or prevent cancer. Actually, cancer cells are a bit more acid immediately outside their boundaries than inside due to the expelling of lactic acid.

The pursuit of a state of alkalinity appears to be nonsensical. Not only does the absence of acidity in the gastric tract and bladder establish an environment that is conducive to tumor growth, the control of blood pH (alkalinity/acidity) is automatically controlled in a neutral pH range (7.2–7.4). The diet has little influence over the pH of the blood.

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Many alternative medical practitioners inexplicably recommend acid-forming supplements (Lactobacillus acidophilus) for cancer patients, yet they contrarily suggest an alkaline diet.
By now you should know that I don't hold to the "healthy alkaline environment" theory. Acid is not the enemy. The body cannot function or survive without a number of acids. For example, we rely on amino acids, fatty acids, malic acid, citric acid, hyaluronic acid, glucoronic acid, bile acids, hydrochloric acid, acetic acid, lactic acid, uric acid, and so on.
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jfh,

I really don't know enough about acidity to argue the point, and I know you're right that the blood robs from other parts of the body to strictly maintain real close to 7.4% acidity. But if we are otherwise unhealthy such as dehydrated, have lots of toxins in the cells from food or the environment, poor oxygenation, obesity with toxins trapped in the fat, as well as too much carbon dioxide in the lungs as I do with COPD...or rather a poor exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide in the cells, eating too many carbohydrates, hormone imbalance...any one of those things could set the stage for diseases such as cancer and, I believe, acidity. Edgar Cayce always said that a virus couldn't survive in an alkyline environment, and that it was better for the body to be slightly on the alkaline side.

When my Bob was dying with liver cancer, his only discomfort was that he was bloated up terrible in his legs, abdomen and chest with fluid and his lungs were so full of fluid he was drowning. The doctor drained it once and in a few days he was bad again. The cancer needs glucose to survive and if there's none available it manufactures it. The by-product of that is lactic acid...lots of it. Then the body tries to dilute the toxic acid with fluid. I sometimes think it would have been better to have fed his cancer sugar to eliminate the process that was drowning him. He was a healthy man and wasn't diabetic before the cancer. The day the ambulance took him to the hospital for the last time, his glucose was 45! I think he was in a diabetic coma. The EMT's yelled at me, thinking he was diabetic and I hadn't been giving him his insulin.

Acidity may, or may not be one of the causes of cancer, but it is the result. Sodium bicarbonate would help treat the lactic acid, but I didn't know that in time to help Bob.

I hope I'm making sense...I'm very tired right now.
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:20 AM
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Also, naturopathic doctors use saliva test a lot. One of my allopathic doctors had a fit when I told him I'd had one done. I roll with the flow.
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I really don't know enough about acidity to argue the point, and I know you're right that the blood robs from other parts of the body to strictly maintain real close to 7.4% acidity.
I can't argue about it either nightowl. I'm still learning. I know what Edgar Cayce said about alkaline and virus. I don't believe that cancer is a virus, bacteria, or fungi. It probably was caused by such. However regarding bacteria, most bad bacteria thrive in an alkaline environment. Our good bacteria produce acid just for this purpose of destroying the bad bacteria. Check on lactobacillus acidophilus just for one.

Then regarding cancer, our immune system T-cells inject peroxide into the cancer cell to kill it. The problem with cancer is that the immune system can't discover it very easily; because the cancer cells use the same principle as the fetus to hide from the immune system. Something about human chorionic gonadotropic hormone coatings. As I said, I'm still learning.

In my opinion, the very best killer of cancer is ozone. I think Arrowwind has the best knowledge of ozone therapy. Ozone will kill virus, bacteria, and fungi; and I suspect that it would kill cancer as well.

I'm sorry for your loss. With all the new stuff out there, it is hard to believe that some lab hasn't found the answer. I know it will be more than one answer. I'd like to know where the American Cancer Society is putting their millions.
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They've been burying those millions so long that I'm fairly sure it turned into billions...but I'm sure most of it went to their own back yards, and to shut up some of the researchers who found cures years ago. I just can't see how they can agree to stand back and watch babies, young and old people suffer. I sometimes donate the small amount that I can afford to St. Jude's, but I think it would be really hard to visit there!.

Arrow and I have talked about ozone several times and I joined Dr. Pressman's forums for a while, but he closed them down. I saved a lot of the emails. I really should buy a machine.

By the time VA got around to diagnosing Bob, Most of his liver and the feeder veins were involved so they wouldn't even attempt treatment. I didn't know about many options then and was in a small town where there were no Integrated or Naturopathic doctors. Thanks for the kind words. It's been four years so I'm doing ok, but I sure miss him and my old life-style.

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Royal Rife discovered that a virus, or something that was a small as a virus was responsible for the Cancer he saw in his experimentation.

The pathogen was pleomorphic, and would change form depending on the acidity of the medium that it was exposed to. It could be one of many forms. A harmless form, or a Cancer producing form.

He also noted that he could grow some pathogens in an alkaline environment, others in a acidic environment, but he could never get anything to grow in a neutral medium.

I do think an acidic environment has a role in Cancer, but the acidic environment may the result of a different bodily function gone wrong. The lack of a healthy immune response also plays a role.

Basically disease and infection, Cancer and so on, is often just the conversion of always present pathogens, adapting to a different environment. Usually and abnormal environment, whatever the cause.

The two people that have actually seen the Cancer virus live, have not ever seen a different cause for Cancer other than the conversion of the virus. What in particular makes the environment favorable for this conversion may not be known, but I am fairly sure the environment around the Cancer would have to be acidic for it to convert. It was the only way to get a conversion in a petri dish anyway.

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A glucose reading of 45 would have indicated too much Insulin, not a lack of it.
EMT needs to get his facts straight. What he needed was some food to raise his
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EarlyBird,

I screwed that up all by myself! The EMT's didn't say insulin or glucose, they just yelled at me when they demanded to know if he was diabetic. They didn't persue it when I told them he wasn't., because they were too busy. I didn't take on that job as a nurse, but I did have a glucose test kit I would have used if I'd had time to think of it.
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Also, naturopathic doctors use saliva test a lot. One of my allopathic doctors had a fit when I told him I'd had one done. I roll with the flow.

Allopathic practitioners are extremely closed minded about alternative treatments, until they get something. I was involved with macrobiotics in cleveland in the late 90s and the macrobiotic counselor was telling us how he had a couple of MDs for patients.
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