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Default Multiple Sclerosis is Not a Disease of the Immune System?

Multiple sclerosis is not a disease of the immune system

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Serum Lipid Profiles Are Associated With Disability and MRI Outcomes in Multiple Sclerosis
It's also worth reading this paper so you understand where they are coming from.
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Endothelial Health

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Understanding the Endothelium
Potential Causes of Endothelial Dysfunction
Preserving and Enhancing Endothelial Health

This explains in a more direct manner what approaches MAY be helpful if this idea is idea offers a way forward either for protection or reduction in symptoms. Bear in mind most of these ideas are applicable to any/every healthy living/eating plan so are generally advisable for EVERYONE and should not be regarded as specific only for MS.
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Well it certainly accounts for why some people when they go on to a Gerson like diet experience "cure" of MS.

I question the notion of animal fat in the diet though. Could it be that it is merely the poor quality of animal fat that is currently being consumed in our culture?

People ate plenty of animal fat 80 years ago and they did not have the levels of MS seen today... but the animal fat then was in better omega ratios... and the butter and cheeses were more natural with better fats and not processed.

Clearly the pathogen or trauma trigger is something to consider. Clearly eliminating the pathogen has worked for some people.

And with the evidence coming our way from Dark Field Live Blood Analyais the pathgen may possibly enter into the equation at the top of the chain instead of midway, being direct cause as an environmental factor. Clearly the Ergonon microscope shows us that there are a zillion pathogens that western medicine is refusing to look at because the microscope is illegal for diagnosis. Could a simple mutation in any one of these pathogens from environmental factors (drug use, exotoxins, corrupted diet, D deficiency alone (or coupled with the rest) create the whole chain of events?
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I've begged a copy of the full text from the author and am allowed to share it with others but not republish online so if anyone want's a copy do ask PM or EMAIL me.
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Couple more papers looking at metabolism problems with MS.

Mitochondrial dysfunction as a cause of axonal degeneration in multiple sclerosis patients

Serum Metabolic Profile in Multiple Sclerosis Patients
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I've begged a copy of the full text from the author and am allowed to share it with others but not republish online so if anyone want's a copy do ask PM or EMAIL me.
Interesting. I will PM you, thanks.
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Specifically, the homeostasis of lipid metabolism collapses during acute-phase inflammatory response triggered by a pathogen, trauma, or stress, starting a feedback loop of increased oxidative stress, inflammatory response, and proliferation of cytoxic foam cells that cross the blood brain barrier and both catabolize myelin and prevent remyelination.
Interesting. This would make the possible triggers of MS similar to the possible triggers of ME/CFS. Trigger doesn't mean cause, though, and all the events and onslaughts to the body have to be considered as possible causes which make it susceptible to a trigger--low nutrition including Vitamin D, Vaccines, Mercury, toxins, others, all of these and more combined, something else? Keep looking and studying.

You can't avoid pathogens, trauma or stress in many cases. What is involved in stopping the causes so the trigger doesn't trigger anything?

It also doesn't mean that immunity is not involved. ME/CFS is not an autoimmune disease but is has an autoimmune aspect. The immune system deregulation may be the effect, not the cause, but it could still be involved in the cause.

More importantly, if a person gets MS, how do you cure it? How do you fix the immune system--that's a biggie!, the myelin, stop the possible cytokine storm or the inflammation or whatever's involved, and all the damage done to the body via the feedback loop, or the cascade of reactions and damage? We have to know that, what is causing what along the way and how to stop it, fix it break the loop, unblock the blocks, not just the absolute one cause, if there is only one. They keep looking for one cause to these diseases. Maybe the lipid metabolism collapsing is an effect of something else.

I wish the doctors and scientistics could get together and pool their knowledge instead of working alone with their teams and saying, I found it, when all they did was touch one part of the elephant.
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[PDF] Multiple Sclerosis is Not a Disease of the Immune System
There is now a DIRECT LINK to the paper online.
Click this link and a pdf File downloads to your pc when you click on the download it opens up in your PDF reader.
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Those who have read the full text of the paper discussed in this thread will be aware of the role of Vitamin D AND it's role in immune function.

In case you haven't yet made the connection here's an article from todays news
Latent Virus Sparks Inflammation in MS

Vitamin D: a link between Epstein�Barr virus and multiple sclerosis development
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Epidemiology of multiple sclerosis has had its day: there are no more unanswered questions - Commentary
Bear in mind it was over 60years ago they first proposed that Vitamin D status was linked with MS.
Even the most vitamin d ignorant person knows human skin creates vitamin d when exposed to the UVB from sunlight. Most people are sufficiently aware that when given FULL BODY Non Burning SUN exposure Hum,an skin creates 10,000~20,000iu of vitamin D3 quite quickly.

Yet we continue to prevaricate and use trivial homoeopathic amounts of vitamin d that are as useless as most placebos.

Why is there not a definitive study double blind RCT underway to prove or
disprove the hypothesis that high dose vitamin D prevents multiple sclerosis?

The answer is quite simple, it won't help either the Multiple Sclerosis societies or the drugs industry to show that MS is preventable if Vitamin D status is kept at a natural equilibrium which allows human milk to flow vitamin d replete and which is equivalent to living outdoors near naked.

Perhaps I should point out the author of the above paper is not a relative of mine although we do have the same surname.
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