I have a friend who is suffering from gout. He takes a prescribed medication (don't know what - he is in Denmark) with little effect.
All I can remember about gout is that it's good to eat cherries. Does anyone remember anything more specific. What type of cherry? Does it matter?
how much.
What other natural gout treatments are there?
They sell dark cherry extracts as supplements (for gout and other conditions). There are also dark cherry (juice) concentrates. Having these on hand is often more practical that simply eating them while in season. Bing cherries are sometimes mentioned by name.
Celery seed extract is another natural option. Here's some information on that:
Other common suggestions involve drinking more healthy liquids (pure water, herbal teas, etc.) and losing excess weight. Increasing one's intake of vitamin C may be useful. Consuming healthy dairy products (preferably organic) may be useful in the long-term.
Of course! Thanks Harry. I had forgotten the celery seed extract.
Thank you for your prompt response. It is already in an e-mail to
Denmark, straight from the halls of Propecia.
Vitamin C Intake and Serum Uric Acid Concentration in Men.
Gao X, Curhan G, Forman JP, Ascherio A, Choi HK.
From the Department of Nutrition and Department of Epidemiology, Harvard University School of Public Health; Channing Laboratory, Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, and Harvard Medical School; and Renal Division, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, Massachusetts, USA; and Department of Medicine, Vancouver General Hospital, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.
OBJECTIVE: We examined associations between vitamin C intake and serum uric acid in men in a population-based study.
METHODS: We included 1387 men without hypertension and with body mass index (BMI) < 30 kg/m(2) in the Health Professional Follow-up Study. Dietary intake was assessed with a semiquantitative food frequency questionnaire validated for use in this population. Serum uric acid concentrations were measured.
RESULTS: Greater intakes of total vitamin C were significantly associated with lower serum uric acid concentrations, after adjustment for smoking, BMI, ethnicity, blood pressure, presence of gout, use of aspirin, and intake of energy, alcohol, dairy protein, fructose, meat, seafood and coffee.
An inverse dose-response association was observed through vitamin C intake of 400-500 mg/day, and then reached a plateau. Adjusted mean uric acid concentrations across total vitamin C intake categories (< 90, 90-249, 250-499, 500-999, or >/= 1000 mg/day) were 6.4, 6.1, 6.0, 5.7, and 5.7 mg/dl, respectively (p for trend < 0.001).
Greater vitamin C intake was associated with lower prevalence of hyperuricemia (serum uric acid > 6 mg/dl). Multivariate odds ratios for hyperuricemia across total vitamin C intake categories were 1 (reference), 0.58, 0.57, 0.38, and 0.34 (95% CI 0.20-0.58; P for trend < 0.001).
When we used dietary data, which were assessed 4-8 years before blood collection, as predictors, we observed similar inverse associations between vitamin C intake and uric acid.
CONCLUSION: These population-based data indicate that vitamin C intake in men is inversely associated with serum uric acid concentrations. These findings support a potential role of vitamin C in the prevention of hyperuricemia and gout.
The only problem I could forsee Harry with Dairy in relation to Gout, is that should any Saturates in Dairy, have their Nitrogen content converted to Uric Acid, as well as Nitrogen in the Protein content, that might not be too beneficial.
It might then be more prudent to switch to possibly something like Almonds for example instead, for the Unsaturates, and to replace the Dairy Calcium, and then try to acquire any lost Vit D from dairy, via other means, possibly supplemental.
With gout you could try pantothenic acid. Pantothenic acid will break down uric acid in the blood. If you do this you need to add at least 400mg of magnesium, magnesuium citrate. and B6 at least 100mg. You must do this also.
You can use very high doses of pantothenic acid. Start with 500mg three times a day. Then in 5 days increase to 1000mg three times a day and after 5 days then retest the uric acid blood level. But if they have gout or goutly arthritis where they just feel generally achy you will know that the uric acid levels are coming down because they will feel better. But you have to take the magnesium and B 6 also.
On rare occasions you might have to go up to 2500mg three times a day then retest after 5 days. Pantothenic acid is not toxic and you can not overdose. On other rare occasions 3,000 mg three times a day.
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I don't know if this would work for everyone. I have an acquaintance (quite overweight) who had severe gout. After several foot bath detoxes, his gout was gone--still gone 6 months later.
He used it only once, last October, and his gout has not returned. I know that there are different units available. Check with a massage therapist or alternative practitioner.
I have seen similar baths really help people also. One woman who was extremely toxic and no doctor could figure her out, got much better after a series of baths. The water in the bath was dark and yucky brown at first, and much clearer when she was done after a number or treatments.
I think I remember hearing about that Bio-cleanse before, or something very similar
I would be concerned though as it says if you've had Transplants, Pacemakers, Pregnant people or people on Meds.
I remember seeing a programme I seem to recall about this, or something similar and it seemed to be a con of some kind, not saying it is this exact product, but something that somehow makes water turn brown is suspicious, especially as proving what colour water would turn when toxic might be difficult.
Water might go just go grey, or a funny shade of yellow, a pale purple, so for it to go brown, seems a bit hit and miss.
Here is a link detailing why it's supposedly a scam.
This acquaintance who had the gout is very pro-conventional medicine—he has NO interest in anything alternative. He had to be persuaded by a friend to just give it a try, so it wasn’t as though he came with any expectations that he would be helped.
I think the water will change color even if no one has their feet is it, so you can't go by the color of the water.
That then begs a question though. If the product is being touted in any way, as something that makes water change colour with a reaction to toxins, but the Water could change colour without human toxin interaction, how can anyone know if they use it on themselves, if the discoloured water would have any toxins in it at all, if the process could occur without human interaction?
You need a definite, this can only happen one way scenario, to remove all doubt.
It's like saying you can't prove a key factor of a process, works only in one situation, when that factor can happen in other ways.
That creates variables that may invalidate the intended outcome being espoused.
A bit like trying to prove crappy Fat Burners work, when you eat better and exercise as well. Same sort of analogy I think, though a different tangent, for probably a different time.
I totally respect what you're posting Mari, but there's a bit of a whiff coming off this whole bio-cleanse thing for me, and I just think it's potentially a wolf in sheeps clothing scenario.
Guess you need to talk to the people who had success with it. After my friend got so much better after using the soaks I went to where she was getting it done and had a session. The water didn't change color for me one iota. The attendant said that they rarely get people in who's water doesn't change color.
Then I tried a different system that anther friend has and no change for me there either.
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