Go Back Natural Medicine Talk > Health > Nutrition

Reply
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
� #1
Old 11-15-2011, 04:02 PM
cyber-junkie's Avatar
Inquisitor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 401
cyber-junkie is on a distinguished road
Default How long will beef last frozen?

I got some pedimontise (I think it's called) frozen in vacuum packaging and was curious how long it will this remain good? I have called the supplier and they said it could go 2-3 years due to the beef being organic and having no ecoli or such bacteria and that they recommend their meats be cooked having a pink center because of how lean the meat is and having no bacteria and that if it has no smell it will be fine, but if I wanted to be sure, "cook it till done", they are about 2 years old, they still look good...if no bad odor are they ok? just looking for a second opinion.
Thanks
Reply With Quote
� #2
Old 11-16-2011, 06:22 AM
dogwoman's Avatar
Guide
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: central New Mexico
Posts: 268
dogwoman is on a distinguished road
Default

Yes, the meat should still be good.
Reply With Quote
� #3
Old 11-16-2011, 06:26 AM
dogwoman's Avatar
Guide
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: central New Mexico
Posts: 268
dogwoman is on a distinguished road
Default

In saying the meat should be good, I am assuming that no ice crystals have formed inside of the vacuum sealed packaging. When ice crystals develop inside of packaging, the crystals cause freezer burn, which ruins the taste and texture of the affected frozen food.
Reply With Quote
� #4
Old 11-16-2011, 08:57 AM
cyber-junkie's Avatar
Inquisitor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 401
cyber-junkie is on a distinguished road
Default

Thanks, just looking for conformation.
I found a report on meats by our FDA that says basically meat can be stored frozen indefinitely and as long as cooked to a temp of over 160 will kill anything bad there, but just wanted a cooks knowledge, the ground beef had very little smell but smelled like raw beef, no slime and just a little crystallization in the package and I cooked it well done, just going to add it to some soup. Just wanted to check with people who cook...I can find the knobs on the stove, but beyond that all bets are off.
Reply With Quote
� #5
Old 11-16-2011, 11:09 AM
dogwoman's Avatar
Guide
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: central New Mexico
Posts: 268
dogwoman is on a distinguished road
Default

I don't trust that bringing meat to 160 degrees is an indicator of safety. I do trust boiling stew sizes pieces of meat or ground meat for fifteen minutes, however.
Reply With Quote
� #6
Old 11-16-2011, 01:21 PM
saved1986's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,468
saved1986 will become famous soon enoughsaved1986 will become famous soon enough
Default

What about those banquets they had in the 1890s in Paris that served mammoth meat. the people said it tasted somewhat rotten, but after 50,000 yrs, I would assume it would be rotten. I pulled a package of lamb shoulder blades that were a yr old last week. They were fine.
Reply With Quote
� #7
Old 11-16-2011, 02:21 PM
pinballdoctor's Avatar
Lecturer
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Saskatchewan Canada
Posts: 1,631
pinballdoctor is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyber-junkie View Post
Thanks, just looking for conformation.
I found a report on meats by our FDA that says basically meat can be stored frozen indefinitely and as long as cooked to a temp of over 160 will kill anything bad there, but just wanted a cooks knowledge, the ground beef had very little smell but smelled like raw beef, no slime and just a little crystallization in the package and I cooked it well done, just going to add it to some soup. Just wanted to check with people who cook...I can find the knobs on the stove, but beyond that all bets are off.
Don't trust anything the FDA does or says.

There are some very nasty organisms that are not killed by heat or cold, no matter what temperature.
__________________
Let Food Be Your Medicine And Medicine Be Your Food.(Hippocrates)
Reply With Quote
� #8
Old 11-16-2011, 02:48 PM
cyber-junkie's Avatar
Inquisitor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 401
cyber-junkie is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pinballdoctor View Post
Don't trust anything the FDA does or says.

There are some very nasty organisms that are not killed by heat or cold, no matter what temperature.
They have to be in the meat to begin with, correct? I assume when it was packaged? So is all meat just a guessing game and most peoples number just doesn't come up?
Reply With Quote
� #9
Old 11-16-2011, 04:58 PM
Cookie's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: JerSea
Posts: 1,614
Blog Entries: 12
Cookie will become famous soon enoughCookie will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyber-junkie View Post
I got some pedimontise (I think it's called) frozen in vacuum packaging and was curious how long it will this remain good? I have called the supplier and they said it could go 2-3 years due to the beef being organic and having no ecoli or such bacteria and that they recommend their meats be cooked having a pink center because of how lean the meat is and having no bacteria and that if it has no smell it will be fine, but if I wanted to be sure, "cook it till done", they are about 2 years old, they still look good...if no bad odor are they ok? just looking for a second opinion.
Thanks
All the charts I have come across say to eat frozen beef within 8 months to a year.
However, on some cooking sites say (can't link to it because I can't remember where) if the frozen meat has been vacuum packed, it can have a longer freezer life. As long as meat stays frozen (no power outages, etc) it is technically safe to eat, but the quality of the meat goes down over time.
Guess you just need to use your own judgement on this one.

Personally, I wouldn't chance frozen meat over eight months, but I'm a chicken when it comes to the possibility of food messin' with my digestive track.
__________________
The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease
~Voltaire~
Reply With Quote
� #10
Old 11-16-2011, 06:38 PM
cyber-junkie's Avatar
Inquisitor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 401
cyber-junkie is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pharmato View Post
Yeah, as long as it smells alright and isn't freezer burnt you should be a-ok!
Pharmato...I like the name and avatar, thanks,...I had some tonight, a couple hours ago and don't fell anything bad from it.
Reply With Quote
� #11
Old 11-17-2011, 06:45 AM
Arrowwind09's Avatar
Standing at the Portal
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: At The Door of Death
Posts: 6,414
Blog Entries: 16
Arrowwind09 will become famous soon enoughArrowwind09 will become famous soon enough
Default

Even freezer burn does not rule out being able to eat previously frozen meat although it may not taste as good and have good texture. Freezer burn is merely the dehydration of the meat.

Cooking to 160 will kill anything that could be dangerous but not likely to be there if properly frozen. People around here frequently put a side of beef in the freezer and keep it up to two years.. which is about how long it takes for a family of 4 to eat it.

Deep freezing is best for meat and having a freezer that does not defrost itself is preferable. It can keep for many many years and people in the old days ate meat that was freezer burnt by stewing it a long time.
__________________
"Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth." Marcus Aurelius
Reply With Quote
� #12
Old 11-17-2011, 07:09 AM
cyber-junkie's Avatar
Inquisitor
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 401
cyber-junkie is on a distinguished road
Default

Next day...I am still here,...don't feel anything bad from eating it, I just never ate any that old but next time I won't even hesitate if it looks and smells ok!
Thanks
Reply With Quote
� #13
Old 11-17-2011, 06:36 PM
Cookie's Avatar
Super Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: JerSea
Posts: 1,614
Blog Entries: 12
Cookie will become famous soon enoughCookie will become famous soon enough
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cyber-junkie View Post
Next day...I am still here,...don't feel anything bad from eating it, I just never ate any that old but next time I won't even hesitate if it looks and smells ok!
Thanks
I was wondering about you today. Out of the blue, you popped into my head at work lol
Glad to know you're still kickin'
Reply With Quote
� #14
Old 11-29-2011, 08:44 AM
jfh jfh is offline
Super Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Texas, USA
Posts: 3,430
Blog Entries: 16
jfh will become famous soon enoughjfh will become famous soon enough
Default

Still tasty - your ultimate guide.

https://stilltasty.com/

Nine foods that will outlast you. https://stilltasty.com/articles/view/35
__________________
-
- Jim
�Look! Out the window! There is a flying cow!� St.Thomas Aquinas looked, and they all burst into laughter. He calmly replied, �I would rather believe that the cow is flying than that my friends would lie to me!�
Reply With Quote
� #15
Old 11-29-2011, 11:33 AM
Arrowwind09's Avatar
Standing at the Portal
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: At The Door of Death
Posts: 6,414
Blog Entries: 16
Arrowwind09 will become famous soon enoughArrowwind09 will become famous soon enough
Default

To those foods (some of which I do not classify as food) I would add many types of dried beans.

In an archeological find by a university some white beans were found in an Anasazi cave. They were grown at the university and grew perfectly. I was given some second or third generation seed which grew perfectly also. How old were the found seed? Could be a couple of thousand years.
Reply With Quote
Reply Bookmark and Share

Tags
beef, frozen, storage

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Frozen Bananas and Fudge HeavyTZM Recipes 1 11-14-2011 12:40 PM
Natural frozen dinners? cyber-junkie Nutrition 3 09-14-2011 06:35 PM
DMSO Frozen? jofus Alternative Therapies 1 12-29-2010 10:57 AM
Diabetes Can Lead to �Frozen Shoulder� Matrix Diabetes 4 01-18-2010 07:57 PM
Frozen shoulder cure? Jualsy Bones & Muscles 3 09-14-2009 12:24 PM