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These studies are hard to find... and Dr Wallach discusses the issue of soil depetion and mineral issues in this first video in a series of 8. I've only watched the first so far but he is really good and this should not be missed.



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I have watched all his videos and all I can say is

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I just got through watching the first video and I learned a lot. I'm going to watch the other one tonight.
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Jamesh, actually you have 7 more to watch. Look for them in the right hand column on the youtube page. I prefer to watch youtube videos on youtube, not on the natmed link becasue youtube will bring up the next consecutive video for you as well as videos related in topic.
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I only listened to the first one so far but I'm not very impressed.

1. He talked about commercial animal food like it has all the nutrients the animals need and is a miracle - it's not, it's complete, toxic crap.

2. He said plants cannot manufacture minerals; that's completely false, but I do forgive him for not knowing that because it's not common knowledge. Not only plants, but all living organisms can manufacture minerals - its called biological transmutation, and I can prove to him that it's real. But somehow I doubt I'll get his promised million dollars

3. He don't look too healthy to me, for someone who's supposed to be teaching people how to be healthy. He doesn't look unhealthy, per se, but if he's teaching people how to be extremely healthy he should be a paragon of vitality. But he just looks like an average aging guy to me. Just like you shouldn't go to a fat man to lose weight, you shouldn't go to an aging man to learn about longevity. But maybe I'm being a little harsh on the guy - I do have high standards.

I do think he'll get better though, so I'll listen to the other lectures later.
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2. He said plants cannot manufacture minerals; that's completely false, but I do forgive him for not knowing that because it's not common knowledge. Not only plants, but all living organisms can manufacture minerals - its called biological transmutation, and I can prove to him that it's real. But somehow I doubt I'll get his promised million dollars
Biological transmutation is a controversial hypothesis that still has not been collaborated by independent labs. If the hypothesis were true, the Earth would get heavier and heavier with the rapidly expanding population. Plants have an affinity with minerals in the soil. Each species of plant has affinity with certain minerals during its evolution.
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the Earth would get heavier and heavier

It does, but maybe not for the reasons you were thinking.

1) The earth gets more moisture from space.

2) Light photons have mass, and they get adsorbed by plants.
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the Earth would get heavier and heavier
Of course it does. It's also expanding, but that's another "controversial hypothesis" so I won't go into that here

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It does, but maybe not for the reasons you were thinking.

1) The earth gets more moisture from space.

2) Light photons have mass, and they get adsorbed by plants.
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It does, but maybe not for the reasons you were thinking.

1) The earth gets more moisture from space.

2) Light photons have mass, and they get adsorbed by plants.
It's more plausible that the Earth gains any significant weight from meteors.

But we were talking about organic entities manufacturing minerals as if they were fusion units or alchemists. Even so, they would have to use existing elements. I suppose we could then engineer a plant that could manufacture gold for us. The plant takes elements from the soil or water in the case of hydroponics. Then it is used by a higher food chain or it dies and decays to give it back to the Earth. The Earth has gained no new weight from this.
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2. He said plants cannot manufacture minerals; that's completely false, but I do forgive him for not knowing that because it's not common knowledge. Not only plants, but all living organisms can manufacture minerals - its called biological transmutation, and I can prove to him that it's real. But somehow I doubt I'll get his promised million dollars
I had to go dig out my Biochemical Individuality book for this one, the only book I know of that deals with this theory... If there are others Id like to know what they are... there are a few papers out there.

The book does not deal with plant biological transmutations, only mentions the possibilty of it and dedicates only a few small paragraphs on pg 206

Clearly its easy enough to determine if a plant can do this simply by doing a mineral assay on its constituents and compare that to the soil it was grown in.

In people I think this largely is activated by healthy enzyme systems and sufficient growth hormone. I was always astounded on how my second son grew while living primarily on orange juice and milk with no apparrent ill effect. He would hardly eat while under the age of 3 or so. It worried me so. My mother said that my older brother was even worse in his eating preferences. The old time German doctor told her not to worry, that the growth of children was a miracle.

My clinical nutrition teacher was convinced that these transmutations did happen and he promoted the concept in bone building and treating osteoporosis through that view point. But according to him you still need certain ingredients... transmutation does not happen out of thin air an only certain things under the right circumstances can transmute into very specific other things.

Studies in plants clearly indicate that their mineral composition has gone down.. so clearly they are not transmuting anything.
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He talked about commercial animal food like it has all the nutrients the animals need and is a miracle - it's not, it's complete, toxic crap.
If you look at most dog food brands, it is obvious they are crap, since they contain yellow corn, gluten, BHA, artificial colors and preservatives, artificial flavors, etc., however, they also contain several vitamins and minerals, without which dogs would not live very long.

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He said plants cannot manufacture minerals; that's completely false
I know of cases where people were deprived of vitamin C for years, but did not develop scurvy. It is for this reason that I would agree that plants may be able to manufacture minerals. However, that would be some plants not all, and the soil in which they are grown would have to contain several of the 60+ minerals. In any case, I would not rely totally on plant minerals.
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He don't look too healthy to me
Doctor Joel Wallach was born in 1940, which would make him 72 years old. Now consider that the average life span for an American doctor is 57, and although this number could be argued, it is quite accurate when you do the research as I have.

That means he has already lived 15 years longer than the average doctor, and he is not done yet... not by a long shot.

Another thing to consider is his veterinary training. Like he states in his videos, animals don't have health care, and since dead animals don't make a profit, it is important that the animals survive to market. The lowest cost to achieving this is in food pellets that contain the necessary vitamins and minerals.

On a personal note, I have been following doctor Wallach for a long time now, and I think he is totally right about minerals. You can take all the vitamins in the world, but they will not work without the mineral co-factors, and most people are deficient in several of these.

For example, when your selenium drops below a certain level, you die. You will either get liver cancer, one of several other cancers, or a myopathy heart attack. If you keep your selenium level up, along with the other 89 nutrients, chances are you will die in your sleep at age 140.
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Studies in plants clearly indicate that their mineral composition has gone down.. so clearly they are not transmuting anything.
Plants rely mainly on the minerals in the soil, and frequently transmute minerals into other minerals. It is much rarer for them to transmute elements from the air into minerals, but I believe it does happen.

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In 1799, the French chemist Vauquelin became intrigued by the quantity of lime which hens excrete every day. He isolated a hen and fed it a pound of oats which were analyzed for lime (CaO). Vauquelin analyzed the eggs and feces and found five times more Ca was excreted than was consumed. He concluded that lime had been created, but could not figure out how it happened.

In 1822, the English physiologist Prout studied the increase of calcium carbonate inside incubating chicken eggs, and was able to show that it was not contributed by the shell.

In 1831, Choubard germinated watercress seeds in clean glass vessels and showed that the sprouts contained minerals which did not previously exist in the seeds.

In 1844, Vogel also found evidence of biological transmutation. J.J. Berzelius reported the experiment in his Treatise on Mineral, Plant and Animal Chemistry (1849):

He sprouted seeds of cress... in crushed glass deprived of sulfate or of any other sulfurous compound; he watered them with distilled water, covered them with a glass cloche and analyzed the air of the room, so as to determine the sulfur... A few months later, the adult plants with ripe seeds, were dried and burnt with a mixture of potassium nitrate and potassium carbonate; the result was that a quantity of sulfuric acid double that which was contained in the seeds was produced. These experiments demonstrate that either sulfur is not a simple element or that the source which produced the sulfur has remained unknown, despite all the care which had been taken to discover it... (1)

Circa 1850, Lauwes and Gilbert observed an inexplicable variation in the amount of magnesium in the ashes of plants.

From 1875-1883, von Herzeele conducted 500 analyses which verified an increase in weight in the ashes of plants grown without soil in a controlled medium. He concluded that, "Plants are capable of effecting the transmutation of elements". His publications so outraged the scientific community of the time, they were removed from libraries. His writings were lost for more than 50 years until a collection was found in Berlin by Dr. Hauscka, who subsequently published von Herzeele's findings.

M. Baranger (Ecole Polytechnique, Paris) became intrigued with Von Herzeele's experiments, but he thought that the number of trials had been too limited and the precautions against error were insufficient. Baranger decided to repeat the experiments with all possible precautions and a very large number of cases which would allow a statistical study. His research project lasted four years and involved thousands of analyses. Baranger verified the content of P, K, and Ca of vetch seeds before and after germination in twice-distilled water to which pure calcium chloride was/was not added. Hundreds of lots of 7-10 grams each were selected, weighed to 1/100th milligram, and graded, then germinated in a controlled environment. The plants were tested by the methods described by A. Brunel-Tourcoin in his Practical Treatise of Plant Chemistry (1948). Baranger found a significant decrease in P in the Ca-series of tests. Non-germinated seeds and seeds germinated in the distilled water showed no significant change in their levels of K. Those seeds treated with CaCl2 showed a 10% increase in their K content.

None of the specialists who examined Baranger's work were able to find any experimental errors. Baranger concluded:

These results, obtained by taking all possible precautions, confirm the general conclusions proposed by V. Herzeele and lead one to think that under certain conditions the plants are capable of forming elements which did not exist before in the external environment.

[The practical consequences] cannot be underestimated... Certain plants would bring to the soil some elements useful for the growth of other plants; this would lead us especially to define and revise the current notions on fallows, rotations, mixed crop, fertilizers and the manuring of infertile soils. Nothing prevents us from thinking that certain plants are capable of producing rare elements of industrial importance....

In the sub-atomic field, the plant supplies us with an example of transformation which we are not capable of performing in the laboratory without bringing into action particles of high-energy... It seems that the theoretical consequences in the field of sub-atomic physics are not negligible.

In 1946, Henri Spindler, (Director of the Laboratoire Maritime de Dinard) investigated the origin of iodine in seaweed, and found that the algae Laminaria manufactured iodine out of water which contained none of the element. (15)

Prof. Perrault (Paris University) found that the hormone aldosterone provoked a transmutation of Na to K, which could be fatal to a patient; heart failure occurs when blood plasma K reaches approximately 350 mg/liter.

In 1959, Dr. Julien (Univ. of Besancon) proved that if tenches are put in water containing 14% NaCl, their production of KCl increases 36% within 4 hours. (5)
https://www.levity.com/alchemy/nelson2_8.html [only a partial quote from the link]

This link also talks about a number of experiments proving biological transmutation: https://bionutrient.org/library/revie...transmutations

Admittedly some of these experiments are quite old and some may be flawed, but all of them? Very doubtful.

The US Army did tests and concluded biological transmutation is real: https://research.whnlive.com/Membrane...rt.htm#conclus
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I only listened to the first one so far but I'm not very impressed.

1. He talked about commercial animal food like it has all the nutrients the animals need and is a miracle - it's not, it's complete, toxic crap.

2. He said plants cannot manufacture minerals; that's completely false, but I do forgive him for not knowing that because it's not common knowledge. Not only plants, but all living organisms can manufacture minerals - its called biological transmutation, and I can prove to him that it's real. But somehow I doubt I'll get his promised million dollars

3. He don't look too healthy to me, for someone who's supposed to be teaching people how to be healthy.
1) Yup. Even the best is likely WAY too high in omega 6, and after all, it's NOT fresh food.

People love to argue about how good pet food is and how raw feeding is bad for your pet. My reply is always the same, "Who cooks for wolves?"

TWO landmark inventions took place in the 50's; I'm already sure you know what they are.



2) Distilled water pasteurized while sealed in glass will begin to grow algae when exposed to sunlight. What's going on there?

3) One of the main reasons Mark Sisson is my #1 'go to' guy; You cannot just 'talk the talk, you must walk the walk'.



AND FURTHERMORE>>>>>>>>>>>


Measuring soil mineralization based on the mineral content of GMO's induced rapid growth with chemical nitrogen may not be the best test of soil mineralization.

In the PNW, we re-mineralize our soils the natural way.
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Jamesh, actually you have 7 more to watch. Look for them in the right hand column on the youtube page. I prefer to watch youtube videos on youtube, not on the natmed link becasue youtube will bring up the next consecutive video for you as well as videos related in topic.
I see what you mean. I just finished watching all 7.
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Here is a link to the article Dr Wallach mentions in the first video

Veggie Nutrients Dip in Tests
https://www.longevinst.org/nlt/newsletter16.htm

Dr Bernard Jenson Didn't look healty either but he had a fairly long life. His work touched millions and brought health to many, probably the same for Dr Wallach's work too.
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