high fat?

dancermama

\r\n \r\n I should add that my proteins are greek yogurt, then nuts and whey and non GMO soy, plus the green stuff (I use a green powder that has 13 g/protein). I eat hormone free meat but rarely.\r\n

dancermama

\r\n \r\n 68 people have looked at this and have no thoughts?

\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n From the sound of it you\'re eating a very good, healthy diet - and you\'re getting plenty of exercise which is good.
\n
\nGeneral thinking on this issue is that one should obtain about 30% of one\'s calories from fat, 15% from protein and 55% from carbohydrates.
\n
\nThe maximum fat intake is 35% of calorie intake. If \'you\' are going beyond that, that would be unadvisable and needs to be reduced to the safe limits.
\n
\n(Peanuts excluded) Nuts are a very healthy food. Walnuts especially, then almonds.\r\n

Solstice Goat

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by knightofalbion\r\n

\r\n

General thinking on this issue is that one should obtain about 30% of one\'s calories from fat, 15% from protein and 55% from carbohydrates.

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

\nPure BS. If we were supposed to burn carbs, we\'d store carbs, but we don\'t; we store fat, because we\'re supposed to burn fat. Fat intake from forty to sixty-percent is optimum, carbs should be below fifteen percent, with the remainder protein.\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by Solstice Goat\r\n

\r\n

Pure BS. If we were supposed to burn carbs, we\'d store carbs, but we don\'t; we store fat, because we\'re supposed to burn fat. Fat intake from forty to sixty-percent is optimum, carbs should be below fifteen percent, with the remainder protein.

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Words fail me! Both dangerous and irresponsible!
\r\n
\r\nEchoes of Stepen Brynes (who died of a massive stroke at 42 - though apparently nothing to do with his high animal fat/protein diet) and the infamous Dr Atkins (who weighed 18 1/2 stone when he died) (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...Dangerous.html) and akin to the Masai diet (who have sky high atherosclerosis and an average lifespan of 42)...
\r\n
\r\nA recipe for heart disease, stroke, ketosis, atherlosclerosis, diabetes (https://www.livestrong.com/article/30...diet-diabetes/ ) and probably cancer as well.
\r\n
\r\nIf people want to follow a specific diet they should try a plant based diet or the Mediterranean diet, which have balanced levels of protein, fat and carbohydrate and a proven record of health benefit.\r\n

Solstice Goat

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by knightofalbion\r\n

\r\n

Words fail me! Both dangerous and irresponsible!
\n
\nEchoes of Stepen Brynes (who died of a massive stroke at 42 - though apparently nothing to do with his high animal fat/protein diet) and the infamous Dr Atkins (who weighed 18 1/2 stone when he died) (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...Dangerous.html) and akin to the Masai diet (who have sky high atherosclerosis and an average lifespan of 42)...
\n
\nA recipe for heart disease, stroke, ketosis, atherlosclerosis, diabetes (https://www.livestrong.com/article/30...diet-diabetes/ ) and probably cancer as well.
\n
\nIf people want to follow a specific diet they should try a plant based diet or the Mediterranean diet, which have balanced levels of protein, fat and carbohydrate and a proven record of health benefit.

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

\nWow! A sample of two people! Run for the hills! Lance Armstrong has already had cancer, so I\'m not sure I\'d be citing him.
\n
\nHow about Tim Nokes or Mark Sisson?
\n
\nHere is your high carb diet, as suggested by the SA Government;
\n
\n
\n
\n
\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

Following a high-protein, high-fat and low-carbohydrate diet may have severe health consequences in the long-term, warned the HPCSA.
\n �A healthy diet remains one that is balanced in terms of carbohydrates, protein and fats as well as vitamins and minerals,� the HPCSA said.
\n �The best way to reach a healthy balanced way of eating is to follow the South African Food Based Dietary Guidelines.�
\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Let�s see how the HPCSA Professional Board members are doing health wise, assuming they follow their own, i.e. government dietary advice. All images from the 2009-10 HPCSA annual report.
\n

\n

\n
\n

\n

\n Here is what Tim Noakes looks like after backing his own research and advice.
\n

\n Otherwise, see Mark Sisson who has outright rejected government dietary guidelines for some 30 years now to eat like a caveman. He is nearly 60.
\n

\n If these high level government employees of the HPCSA are following their own, i.e. government dietary guidelines, well, then I don�t need to say any more. Neither does Tim Noakes.
\n UPDATE: For more information on the caveman diet read Mark�s blog, and take a look at the letter Dr Noakes� sent out earlier this year from the Department of Human Biology at UCT that contains more information on the paleo/primal/caveman diet (pdf link here)
\n
\n
\n
\nSo, brave Knight, assuming you follow your own advice, what\'s your height and weight?

\r\n

dancermama

\r\n \r\n I guess I need to sort of calculate the percentages to determine for sure. thanks for your reply!\r\n

pinballdoctor

\r\n \r\n Your diet is fine, however you still need to supplement with all 90 essential nutrients to maintain health. There is no way to determine how many minerals are in the veggies that you eat, and you don\'t want to guess when it comes to your health.
\n
\n100,000 people under 30 die each year because they don\'t supplement, and as you age you aquire several "diseases" along the way. Doctors treat these "age related diseases" with prescription drugs, that treat the symptoms but do nothing for the cause.
\n
\nIn the old days, grandma would put the ashes from the wood stove into the garden. She called them ashes but in reality they are minerals that the tree sucked out of the ground during its life. The ashes, AKA minerals, were placed in the garden, and eating the resulting plants would give the necessary minerals for good health.
\n
\nPlants cannot manufacture minerals, however they can aquire them from the soil, thus the need for wood ashes. Now that we use electric stoves, gas, and propane, there are no minerals to add to the soil, and as a result, most people are deficient in several essential nutrients.
\n
\nPlants require 8 minerals to be healthy, while we require 60.
\n
\nFats, protein, and carbs don\'t really mean alot... its the nutrients that are important.\r\n

dancermama

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by pinballdoctor\r\n

\r\n

Your diet is fine, however you still need to supplement with all 90 essential nutrients to maintain health.
\r\n
\r\nFats, protein, and carbs don\'t really mean alot... its the nutrients that are important.

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

So I\'m beginning to understand

I take a whole food powder supplement (green it has chlorella and algae and barley grass and that kind of thing), Vit D3, a calcium/magnesium/zinc combo, DHA, and apple cider vinegar.
\r\n
\r\nAs far as supplements go, I\'m learning by reading here, and I don\'t think I can afford all the supplements I probably need

so I\'m trying to eat the foods that I think offer the most nutrition the best I can. What I\'m guessing I need to invest in next is a minerals supplement. I\'m seeing my dr next week and I\'m going to ask her to run a panel to include whatever she can in the way of minerals (zinc, copper, etc) as well as your normal bloodwork (I\'ve been having extreme fatigue and chills as of late) so I can hopefully get some info on the best place to start.
\r\n
\r\nI just got concerned because I really do think my diet is balanced with fat at the upper end. I don\'t really like to eat anything but vegetables, fruit, and yogurt, but that doesn\'t provide me enough calories/fuel as a dancer, so I\'ve been supplementing with more calorie dense (read: higher fat) foods, because otherwise.. I\'m a chronic undereater.\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n I wouldn\'t be overly worried about all this. You\'re on a good diet, far healthier than the majority of Americans are on. You\'re fit and active, and not in any way overweight.
\n
\nA lot of people go totally overboard on this supplement thing. If you have a diagnosed deficiency, fine. Other than that your best bet is a quality multivitamin/mineral. (Personally I prefer and would advise a divided dose.)
\n
\nSupplements in themselves are just that - supplements. i.e. to back up any shortfall in the diet. There is no substitute for a healthy, balanced diet.\r\n

pinballdoctor

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by knightofalbion\r\n

\r\n

I wouldn\'t be overly worried about all this. You\'re on a good diet, far healthier than the majority of Americans are on. You\'re fit and active, and not in any way overweight.
\n
\nA lot of people go totally overboard on this supplement thing. If you have a diagnosed deficiency, fine. Other than that your best bet is a quality multivitamin/mineral. (Personally I prefer and would advise a divided dose.)
\n
\nSupplements in themselves are just that - supplements. i.e. to back up any shortfall in the diet. There is no substitute for a healthy, balanced diet.

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

There is no such thing as a healthy balanced diet. This may have been true 100 years ago before Monsanto and Bayer came along with their chemicals and engineered poisons, and while the soil contained all 60 minerals, but this is no longer the case.
\n
\nThe so called quality multivitamins are mostly synthetic. The minerals they contain are made from ground-up rocks, and go by the name of carbonate or gluconate, or oyster shell. Humans cannot absorb rocks, and since vitamins won\'t work without mineral co-factors, most multivitamins are useless.
\n
\nPeople who listen to their doctor are told they can get everything they need from the four food groups. This is a lie and has always been a lie, that is why people are getting sicker and sicker, because you can\'t cure a deficiency unless you supplement with all 60 minerals in colloidal form.
\n
\nMost soil is depleted of several minerals, and has been since the mid 30\'s. Farmers add NPK (nitrogen/phosphorus/potassium) to the soil for maximum crop yield, however they do not add selenium, copper, boron, nor any of the other 57 minerals.
\n
\nPlants take C02 from the air, and use the power of the sun to create vitamins, but cannot manufacture minerals, and as stated in an earlier post, you cannot tell how many minerals are in a carrot just by looking at it.
\n
\nIf you listen to your doctor, you will most likely live to the average lifespan, and will be sick for the last 10 years of your life. If you supplement with all 90 nutrients, including 60 minerals in colloidal form (one ounce per 100 pounds of body weight per day) you can easily double the average lifespan and be in good health til the day you just don\'t wake up..at age 150\r\n

dancermama

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by pinballdoctor\r\n

\r\n

There is no such thing as a healthy balanced diet. This may have been true 100 years ago before Monsanto and Bayer came along with their chemicals and engineered poisons, and while the soil contained all 60 minerals, but this is no longer the case.
\r\n
\r\nThe so called quality multivitamins are mostly synthetic. The minerals they contain are made from ground-up rocks, and go by the name of carbonate or gluconate, or oyster shell. Humans cannot absorb rocks, and since vitamins won\'t work without mineral co-factors, most multivitamins are useless.
\r\n
\r\nPeople who listen to their doctor are told they can get everything they need from the four food groups. This is a lie and has always been a lie, that is why people are getting sicker and sicker, because you can\'t cure a deficiency unless you supplement with all 60 minerals in colloidal form.
\r\n
\r\nMost soil is depleted of several minerals, and has been since the mid 30\'s. Farmers add NPK (nitrogen/phosphorus/potassium) to the soil for maximum crop yield, however they do not add selenium, copper, boron, nor any of the other 57 minerals.
\r\n
\r\nPlants take C02 from the air, and use the power of the sun to create vitamins, but cannot manufacture minerals, and as stated in an earlier post, you cannot tell how many minerals are in a carrot just by looking at it.
\r\n
\r\nIf you listen to your doctor, you will most likely live to the average lifespan, and will be sick for the last 10 years of your life. If you supplement with all 90 nutrients, including 60 minerals in colloidal form (one ounce per 100 pounds of body weight per day) you can easily double the average lifespan and be in good health til the day you just don\'t wake up..at age 150

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

My plan was to at least get the colloidal mineral supplement. Recommendations on a good one - cost effective and locally available would be nice. We have a few organic health food stores closeby.\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by pinballdoctor\r\n

\r\n

There is no such thing as a healthy balanced diet. This may have been true 100 years ago before Monsanto and Bayer came along with their chemicals and engineered poisons, and while the soil contained all 60 minerals, but this is no longer the case.
\r\n
\r\nThe so called quality multivitamins are mostly synthetic. The minerals they contain are made from ground-up rocks, and go by the name of carbonate or gluconate, or oyster shell. Humans cannot absorb rocks, and since vitamins won\'t work without mineral co-factors, most multivitamins are useless.
\r\n
\r\nPeople who listen to their doctor are told they can get everything they need from the four food groups. This is a lie and has always been a lie, that is why people are getting sicker and sicker, because you can\'t cure a deficiency unless you supplement with all 60 minerals in colloidal form.
\r\n
\r\nMost soil is depleted of several minerals, and has been since the mid 30\'s. Farmers add NPK (nitrogen/phosphorus/potassium) to the soil for maximum crop yield, however they do not add selenium, copper, boron, nor any of the other 57 minerals.
\r\n
\r\nPlants take C02 from the air, and use the power of the sun to create vitamins, but cannot manufacture minerals, and as stated in an earlier post, you cannot tell how many minerals are in a carrot just by looking at it.
\r\n
\r\nIf you listen to your doctor, you will most likely live to the average lifespan, and will be sick for the last 10 years of your life. If you supplement with all 90 nutrients, including 60 minerals in colloidal form (one ounce per 100 pounds of body weight per day) you can easily double the average lifespan and be in good health til the day you just don\'t wake up..at age 150

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

I\'ve posted a couple of posts on here in the past on the nutrient depletion of the soil. And on the low absorption of certain types of mineral supplement i.e. calcium carbonate, the main \'osteo\' supplement issued by doctors, having an absorption rate of only 7%.
\r\nNot true to tar all supplements with the same brush though.
\r\nTwice I\'ve remineralized serious tooth decay, something your dentist will tell you can\'t be done. I used vegan amino acid chelated minerals derived from seaweed.
\r\nThere are \'supplements\' and there are \'supplements\'. Plenty of sub-standard ones of limited value, but also some high quality and effective ones.\r\n

Solstice Goat

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by dancermama\r\n

\r\n

I think my protein-fat-carb balance is off. My carbs come from fruits and vegetables. My protein intake is moderate at best. I eat avocado and lots of nuts each day. In general, then, I think my balance errs on the side of fat being my primary fuel. But I\'m really tiny. I weigh 118 and am 5,3, very low body fat. I dance 12 hours a week. It occurred to me that even though I eat healthy fats, perhaps that is still too much fat. Is there a danger in this? I don\'t eat grains at all. A) I have celiac disease and B) they just mess with my blood sugar big time.
\n
\nThoughts?

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

\nKeep up the good work.

\r\n

Donee

\r\n \r\n Nah, your levels are envious . . .\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n As for Mr Noakes
\r\nhttps://www.timeslive.co.za/local/201...es-diet-claims\r\n

Solstice Goat

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by knightofalbion\r\n

\r\n

As for Mr Noakes
\nhttps://www.timeslive.co.za/local/201...es-diet-claims

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

\nYa, Tim is looking pre-diabetic in that pic, isn\'t he? Looks just like the pic posted in the article with the obese folks recommending the high carb diet.

\r\n

knightofalbion

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by Solstice Goat\r\n

\r\n

Ya, Tim is looking pre-diabetic in that pic, isn\'t he? Looks just like the pic posted in the article with the obese folks recommending the high carb diet.

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Looks like someone being put in their place!
\r\n
\r\n\'High protein diets "place an undue stress on the kidneys that can lead to long term damage"
\r\n
\r\n"If one avoids sugars completely the liver has to work overtime to produce glucose from fat and protein and this is unhealthy"
\r\n
\r\n"A lack of carbohydrates means the brain can struggle to produce serotonin"
\r\n
\r\n\'Noakes himself admits that if a person embarks on a low carbohydrate/high protein diet it must be done for life\'
\r\n
\r\nSee earlier posts on the dangers of high fat / animal protein diet.\r\n

pinballdoctor

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

Quote:

\r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\n

\r\n \r\n

\r\n Originally Posted by knightofalbion\r\n

\r\n

Looks like someone being put in their place!
\n
\n\'High protein diets "place an undue stress on the kidneys that can lead to long term damage"
\n
\n"If one avoids sugars completely the liver has to work overtime to produce glucose from fat and protein and this is unhealthy"
\n
\n"A lack of carbohydrates means the brain can struggle to produce serotonin"
\n
\n\'Noakes himself admits that if a person embarks on a low carbohydrate/high protein diet it must be done for life\'
\n
\nSee earlier posts on the dangers of high fat / animal protein diet.

\r\n \r\n

\r\n

You will never be able to convince a goat what a healthy diet is. He is too stubborn and although quite knowledgeable, is stuck in second gear.
\n
\nCarbs could be vegetables, especially root vegetables, or carbs could be high fructose corn syrup, soda, donuts, or white flour... When it comes to explaining to the goat, one must specify exact clarification of fact.
\n
\nGood fats, such as coconut, avocado, flax seed, borage, fish oil, evening primrose, etc should make up about 50% of the diet, with the remaining 50% split even between protein and carbs, and that means complex carbs, not refined carbs.
\n
\nI would also include butter in the list of good fats for non-vegans, and even though I dislike pork, would also include lard.
\n
\nInstead of suggesting everyone become vegan, which is probably a good idea, I would suggest giving your body all the nutrients it needs to repair, protect, and regenerate, then slowly making changes in diet toward more plants and less meats, especially the feedlot contaminated variety.
\n
\nIt is absolutely crucial that the body gets enough cholesterol to prevent Alzheimer\'s and erectile dysfunction, especially in people who are on statin drugs. I would suggest a minimum 4 large eggs per day, either poached or soft-scrambled in butter not margarine.
\n
\nProtein or carbs cannot protect you from Alzheimer\'s, while sugars and vegetable oils will speed up the dementia process.\r\n

dancermama · � #1 � 02-06-2013, 07:31 AM

I think my protein-fat-carb balance is off. My carbs come from fruits and vegetables. My protein intake is moderate at best. I eat avocado and lots of nuts each day. In general, then, I think my balance errs on the side of fat being my primary fuel. But I'm really tiny. I weigh 118 and am 5,3, very low body fat. I dance 12 hours a week. It occurred to me that even though I eat healthy fats, perhaps that is still too much fat. Is there a danger in this? I don't eat grains at all. A) I have celiac disease and B) they just mess with my blood sugar big time.

Thoughts?

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Switch to Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
High blood pressure	jbo	Hypertension	13	03-12-2012 07:53 AM
High Sodium-Low Potassium is Heart Risk, Not High Sodium	u&iraok	General Discussions	3	08-22-2011 10:30 AM
High blood pressure	jayneways	Hypertension	3	12-15-2010 03:11 PM
High Rate of C-Sections in U.S.	u&iraok	Women's Health	7	04-06-2010 10:49 AM
High level vit D	Marilyn	Vitamins & Supplements	26	07-14-2009 01:33 AM

��Useful Links

Site Navigation