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Old 04-25-2012, 08:19 AM
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What's become of the 'Land of the Free'? If this is followed nationally this site and others like it will have to close down, or become the equivelant of a womans magazine health column. The Disclaimer about checking with your doctor etc didnt save him.

https://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/04...es-not-recant/

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The North Carolina Board of Dietetics/Nutrition is threatening to send a blogger to jail for recounting publicly his battle against diabetes and encouraging others to follow his lifestyle.
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I think Big Brother has been nosing into internet content for quite awhile now. I think the blogger has the right to free speech, and to share his story and knowledge with others. Hopefully they can only threaten him. Are they afraid that his blog will interfere with the profits of Big Pharma, or are they truly concerned about the welfare of the readers?
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What we are seeing is an all out attempt by the powers-that-be to clamp down on all forms of dissent. They see that people are beginning to wake up to their plans of a "brave new world" and this scares them. But as they push even harder for total control this causes even more people to wake up to what’s happening.
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Typical ultraconservative, former Jesse Helm's North Carolina. The only bastion of liberality in that State is Ashville. For many years they were heavy into tobacco and home made white lightning. Now it's hogs. Huge hog farms, along with all the toxic mess that comes with that.

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Chapter 90, Article 25 of the North Carolina General Statutes makes it a misdemeanor to �practice dietetics or nutrition� without a license. According to the law, �practicing� nutrition includes �assessing the nutritional needs of individuals and groups� and �providing nutrition counseling.
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So does this guy live in North Carolina? If he does all he needs to do is get his website hosted in another country... like Singapore, maybe?

He really needs to fight this in court. If he is not selling a product his ammendment rights should protect him.
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I think that is the least the Paleo scammers deserve for trying to ruin public health to promote a fad, low carb, high fat, high cholesterol, high animal products diet to enrich themselves.
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I still don't understand why you want ANY government body REGULATING anything.

If they have power to regulate something, they WILL ABUSE IT. Wake up people. The lewrockwell libertarians and the health natural raw folks are on the same team and have the same goals. Some of them, just don't know it yet. Some of health nuts just don't know they are libertarians yet. But they are. And they will wake up to this fact eventually.

Get rid of the FDA and every other government regulating body. The free market can EASILY regulate itself. Especially now with the internet. It regulates itself, by people not buying bad products. Word of mouth (combined with the internet) shuts out bad companies MUCH FASTER than any government entity.

Plus the free market can't make bad decisions like this one and shutdown good information.
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The free market is a myth that economists invented, which rich people support selectively when it suits them and ignore when it doesn't and they want bailouts or tariffs, which has never existed and will never exist. You are crazy fundamentalist if you believe in a free market or advocate that one should exist. I doubt you would be willing to get rid of the un-freemarket inverse food pyramid propped by your government and pay the real cost for animal meat which should cost $20 per pound or more without subsidies and turning a blind eye turned to the massive environmental waste which by law should technically result in penalties(but never does in practice).

Normally I would sympathize with someone giving good health advice. This guy isn't doing that. There are plenty of cavemen and Weston Price followers to cheerlead for him. Encouraging a Ketogenic diet and macronutrient deficiency is not something I would support. People like him are taking the public health debate decades back just when the Atkins incarnation of this low carb diet was discredited enough. If you want to promote the next unhealthy fad diet fine, but don't use pseudo-science and false claims that it can cure disease to make it anything other than self-serving.
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I still don't understand why you want ANY government body REGULATING anything.

If they have power to regulate something, they WILL ABUSE IT. Wake up people. The lewrockwell libertarians and the health natural raw folks are on the same team and have the same goals. Some of them, just don't know it yet. Some of health nuts just don't know they are libertarians yet. But they are. And they will wake up to this fact eventually.

Get rid of the FDA and every other government regulating body. The free market can EASILY regulate itself. Especially now with the internet. It regulates itself, by people not buying bad products. Word of mouth (combined with the internet) shuts out bad companies MUCH FASTER than any government entity.

Plus the free market can't make bad decisions like this one and shutdown good information.
The biggest civil government agency costing the country most money, whichever country you live in, is the teaching profession, which is virtually bankrupting the states who pay their wages. Most only teach for 32 years before retirng. Some states are having to get rid of 1,000's to help balance the budget.

https://teapartyeconomist.com/2012/04...000-employees/

There is a whole host of scams and perks teachers get where some are retiring on a pension almost as big as their wage, and one gym teacher in particular is on $203K per annum for a 36 week work year.

https://www.championnews.net/2011/12/...t-with-203154/

Home schooling and the increasing use of the internet could help to put even more of these overpaid teachers out of work in future.



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The free market is a myth that economists invented, which rich people support selectively when it suits them and ignore when it doesn't and they want bailouts or tariffs, which has never existed and will never exist. You are crazy fundamentalist if you believe in a free market or advocate that one should exist. I doubt you would be willing to get rid of the un-freemarket inverse food pyramid propped by your government and pay the real cost for animal meat which should cost $20 per pound or more without subsidies and turning a blind eye turned to the massive environmental waste which by law should technically result in penalties(but never does in practice).

Normally I would sympathize with someone giving good health advice. This guy isn't doing that. There are plenty of cavemen and Weston Price followers to cheerlead for him. Encouraging a Ketogenic diet and macronutrient deficiency is not something I would support. People like him are taking the public health debate decades back just when the Atkins incarnation of this low carb diet was discredited enough. If you want to promote the next unhealthy fad diet fine, but don't use pseudo-science and false claims that it can cure disease to make it anything other than self-serving.
how can you possibly talk about the real cost of anything? The government takes trillions of dollars of wealth away from the people every year. God only knows how much wealthier we would all be if we were able to control that wealth ourselves instead of having all those resources controlled and directed by government doing so many unnecessary and wasteful things.

Blind eye towards environmental pollution? I don't think so. Right now, the government protects big corporations that pollute the environment. Try having a huge company pollute a town full of people, when there's no police to keep the polluting company safe from the people. And huge corporations would have trouble existing in the first place without limited liability laws protecting them, supported by government. Also, think about how many low interest loans the government gives to corporations.

Government is flawed, not the free market.
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THE SEMMELWEIS REFLEX

The Semmelweis reflex or �Semmelweis effect� is a metaphor for the reflex-like tendency to reject new evidence or new knowledge because it contradicts established norms, beliefs or paradigms.



. . . Before you condemn the paleo diet try to do some unbiased
research. I have and I have found it to be quite interesting. In
particular the agricultural revolution--and its effects--that occured
around 10,000 years back should make anyone think long and hard
about what government is doing to us in the nutrition arena.

Ive tried the 'paleo' diet to some degree with very positive results.
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@limitme:
Get real. Animal products take advantage of subsidized inputs for feeder crops for livestock. They take advantage of the fact that human refuse requires to be processed but the much larger amounts of animal waste produced by the 10 billion land animals slaughtered in the USA annually don't have to be properly handled and are often dumped raw into pits, land, and waterways. I would be happy for a free market in that area, you likely wouldn't, but you will continue ideological tilting.

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Paleo diet is a fad joke. They are not against or revealing anything important about the "agricultural revolution". Hunter-gatherers that they fetishize along with "Paleolithic" man ate whatever food was local to them. Since these fadders advocate so many animal products, for Americans this would be meats like deer, squirrel, possum, raccoon, etc. People who believe in the ideology that conditions them to eat meat, carnism, find what other cultures ate for meat disgusting. Thus we consider eating dogs and cat like many East Asians, not only unacceptable, but actually disgusting and morally reprehensible. It is similar for local game that could be eaten in N. America, you cannot get most carneys to eat them. So instead they tend to eat instead the same non-native fodder animals that conquering Europeans brought to the region.

Needless to say Paleo is not against agriculture. They are irresponsibly against the most sustainable, nutritious and healthy foods of the agricultural system like legumes, beans, cereals, grains and advocate instead the most disease promoting and resource intensive foods like grass feed meats and animal byproducts like milk and cheese.
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Thrasymachus . . . You seem to have missed the main point in 'paleo'
so completely that discussion is pointless
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You have missed it not me.

A handful of selfish people wanted to get rich by repackaging the almost deceased Atkins fad diet based on high fat, low carb, and lots of animal products diet in a very slightly different package. Infact these scammers are far worse, they argue they have the "perfect diet"(Paul Jaminet) or the diet most suited to our evolutionary and genetic potential!

I pointed out that they are just using the same carnistic biases of the larger American society. They don't want a real paleo or hunter-gather take even on meat consumption. Their confusionism that seeks to rail against "agriculture" is selectively targeted only against plant foods. They don't apply the same standards to animal products. They don't want to recognize that the ultra-high level of meat products they advocate is only possible due to intensive industrial agricultural practices. They want to live in a mythical world where everyone is rich enough, where we have four earths, so everyone can eat a fad diet, avoiding healthy carbs by buying ultra expensive grass feed meat so they can eat toxic amounts of protein and fat!
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