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\nNo Sailors Saw Osama Bin Laden�s Alleged Burial at Sea
No Sailors Saw Osama Bin Laden�s Alleged Burial at Sea
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\n\'More than a year after Navy SEALs supposedly killed former CIA asset Osama bin Laden, a FOIA by the Associated Press has produced emails revealing that no American sailors aboard the USS Carl Vinton witnessed the terrorist�s burial at sea.
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\nThe heavily redacted emails are said to be the first public disclosure of government information about the undocumented assassination.
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\nAn email supposedly sent by a Navy officer claims Osama bin Laden was washed, wrapped in a white sheet, and then placed in a weighted bag, according to the Daily Mail. Another email allegedly sent by Vinton�s public affairs officer claims only a small group of the ship�s leadership was informed of the burial.\'
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\n�A military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up, whereupon the deceased�s body slid into the sea,� Adm. Charles Gaouette said in the email.
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\nRecipients of the email included Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. James Mattis, top officer at U.S. Central Command.
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\nThe Defense Department previously said it did not have any photographs or video to support its claim the SEALs killed the al-Qaeda leader. It also admitted there were no images taken of Bin Laden�s body on the Vinton.
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\nThe Pentagon does not have a death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden�s body if he were killed, the Daily Mail reports.
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\nIn May, 2011, the Obama administration mulled releasing photographs purportedly showing the body of Bin Laden with �a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet (sic), with brains and blood visible.� No such photos were ever produced.
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\n�We are going to do everything we can to make sure that nobody has any basis to try to deny that we got Osama bin Laden,� John Brennan, Obama�s counterterrorism adviser, said following the alleged assassination. Brennan said the government will �share what we can because we want to make sure that not only the American people but the world understand exactly what happened.�
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\nDespite a complete lack of evidence, the government and the corporate media now routinely insist Obama ordered the military to kill Osama bin Laden at a compound in Pakistan.
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\nFormer State Department official Steve Pieczenik told Alex Jones last May that the staged assassination was nothing more than �American theater of the absurd� and a photo supposedly showing members of the Obama administration watching a live video feed of the assassination was fabricated.
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\nPieczenik and others, including members of the FBI and Israeli intelligence, believe Osama died in late 2001, soon after the United States military invaded Afghanistan. On December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting that bin Laden had died in mid-December and Taliban officials had attended the funeral. President Musharraf of Pakistan and president Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan also publicly stated in 2002 they believe Osama bin Laden died in 2001.
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\nAlex Jones exposes the contrived "victory" in the War on Terror surrounding a man who many experts have said was already dead for years. After nearly a decade of "hunting" for Bin Laden, he is summarily shot in the head and allegedly dumped into the ocean (conveniently making the body unavailable). So goes the official life of Osama bin Laden (aka Tim Osman), one of the CIA\'s most useful patsies and assets.
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\nWho is Dr Steve Pieczenik?
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\nProfessional life
\nPieczenik was deputy assistant secretary of state under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance and James Baker.[3] His expertise includes foreign policy, international crisis management and psychological warfare.[7] He served the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the capacity of deputy assistant secretary.[8]
\nIn 1974, Pieczenik joined the U.S. State Department as a consultant to restructure its Office for the Prevention of Terrorism.[2]
\nIn 1976, Pieczenik was made deputy assistant secretary of state for management.[2][5][9][10]
\nAt the State Department, he served as a "specialist on hostage taking."[11] He has been credited with devising successful negotiating strategies and tactics used in several high profile hostage situations including the 1976 TWA Flight 355 hostage situation and the 1977 kidnapping of the son of Cyprus\' president.[2] He was involved in negotiations for the release of Aldo Moro after Moro was kidnapped.[12] As a renowned psychiatrist, he was utilized as a press source for early information on the mental state of the hostages involved in the Iranian Hostage Crisis after they were freed.[13] In 1977, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Mary McGrory described Stephen Pieczenik as "one of the most \'brilliantly competent\' men in the field of terrorism."[14] He worked "side by side" with Police Chief Maurice J. Cullinane in the Washington, D.C. command center of Mayor Walter Washington during the 1977 Hanafi Siege.[15] In 1978, Pieczenik was known as "a psychiatrist and political scientist in the U.S. State Department whose credentials and experiences are probably unique among officials handling terrorist situations."[2]
\nOn September 17, 1978 the Camp David Accords were signed. Pieczenik was at the secret Camp David negotiations leading up to the signing of the Accords. He worked out strategy and tactics based on psychopolitical dynamics. He correctly predicted that, given their common backgrounds, Egyptian President Anwar El Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin would get along.[3]
\nIn 1979, he resigned as deputy assistant secretary of state over the handling of the Iranian hostage crisis.[4]
\nIn the early 1980s, Pieczenik wrote an article for The Washington Post in which he claims to have heard a senior U.S. official in the State Department Operations Center give permission for the attack that led to the death of U.S. Ambassador Adolph Dubs in Kabul, Afghanistan in 1979.[16]
\nPieczenik got to know Syrian President Hafez Assad well during his 20 years in the US State Department.[3]
\nIn 1982, Pieczenik was mentioned in a New York Times article as "a psychiatrist who has treated C.I.A. employees".[17]
\nIn 2001, Pieczenik operated as chief executive officer of Strategic Intelligence Associates, a consulting firm.[18]
\nPieczenik has been affiliated in a professional capacity as a psychiatrist with the National Institute of Mental Health.[19]
\nPieczenik has consulted with the United States Institute of Peace and the RAND Corporation [20]
\nPieczenik is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.[21]
\nPieczenik is fluent in five languages including Russian, Spanish and French.[2][3][4]
\nPieczenik has lectured at the National Defense University.[7]
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\nPieczenik claims to be the first psychiatrist ever to receive a PhD focusing on international relations. He attained a PhD in international relations from MIT while studying at Harvard Medical School.
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\nIn 1992, Pieczenik told Newsday that in his professional opinion, President Bush was "clinically depressed". As a result, he was brought up on an ethics charge before the American Psychiatric Association and reprimanded. He subsequently quit the APA.[4]
\nHe calls himself a "maverick troublemaker. You make your own rules. You pay the consequences."[4]
\nOn May 3, 2011, radio host Alex Jones aired an interview in which Pieczenik claimed that Osama Bin Laden had died of Marfan syndrome in 2001 shortly after the September 11 attacks, and that the attacks on the United States on 9/11 were part of a false flag operation by the American government.[29]
\nOn October 20, 2011 in an interview with the Alex Jones, where Pieczenik claimed that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi is alive and said "There�s no way they killed Muammar Gaddafi, that�s not our operating mode and I�ve been involved in 30 years with the takeouts and regime changes." He also slammed President Barack Obama by calling him an "obsessional pathological liar".[30][31]
\nOn September 16, 2012, during an interview with Alex Jones, Pieczenik stated that Israel planned to initiate war with Iran during Yom Kippur 2012, unless ex-Mossad and ex-Shin Bet agents assassinated Benjamin Netanyahu.[32] Neither prediction came to pass
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\nAs a hospice nurse for 6 years had having viewed probably over 200 dead bodies during my work as an inpatient hospice nurse in that time, I assure you that this photo is not that of a dead man and here is why I think this.

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\nfirst and foremost... when death occurs the jaw drops. It takes muscle tension and hence life to hold the jaw shut. Not the drawn muscle lines at the corners of the mouth.. another muscle tension. Dead people do not hold their mouths open only a half inch. The jaws drop and the lips loose muscle tone.
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\nNote that in the first photo Bin Laden is smiling a closed mouth smile. Note the drawn up musculature, the smile lines in the cheeks. They are still there in the photo of the \'dead\' man. Impossible.
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\nsecond.. look at the color of this person. Dead people turn pale, gray, even people of color turn ashen. This is a photo of a fully alive and respirating person.
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\nI dont know if this is a photo of a totally different person, but it is not of a dead person. I suspect photo shop produced by a very stupid person.
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There is a huge increase in heroin abuse in the US also; which strangely coorelates to the afghnaistan invasion 11 yrs ago.
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Default The Bin Laden Death Mystery

Essentially it comes down to this - SHOW ME THE MEAT!
so far nothing.

No Sailors Saw Osama Bin Laden�s Alleged Burial at Sea
No Sailors Saw Osama Bin Laden�s Alleged Burial at Sea

Friday, 23 November 2012 10:55

D.Icke .com





'More than a year after Navy SEALs supposedly killed former CIA asset Osama bin Laden, a FOIA by the Associated Press has produced emails revealing that no American sailors aboard the USS Carl Vinton witnessed the terrorist�s burial at sea.

The heavily redacted emails are said to be the first public disclosure of government information about the undocumented assassination.

An email supposedly sent by a Navy officer claims Osama bin Laden was washed, wrapped in a white sheet, and then placed in a weighted bag, according to the Daily Mail. Another email allegedly sent by Vinton�s public affairs officer claims only a small group of the ship�s leadership was informed of the burial.'

Read more: No Sailors Saw Osama Bin Laden�s Alleged Burial at Sea
https://www.davidicke.com/headlines/7...-burial-at-sea

https://www.infowars.com/no-sailors-s...burial-at-sea/


�A military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up, whereupon the deceased�s body slid into the sea,� Adm. Charles Gaouette said in the email.

Recipients of the email included Adm. Mike Mullen, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. James Mattis, top officer at U.S. Central Command.

The Defense Department previously said it did not have any photographs or video to support its claim the SEALs killed the al-Qaeda leader. It also admitted there were no images taken of Bin Laden�s body on the Vinton.

The Pentagon does not have a death certificate, autopsy report or results of DNA identification tests for bin Laden, or any pre-raid materials discussing how the government planned to dispose of bin Laden�s body if he were killed, the Daily Mail reports.

In May, 2011, the Obama administration mulled releasing photographs purportedly showing the body of Bin Laden with �a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet (sic), with brains and blood visible.� No such photos were ever produced.

�We are going to do everything we can to make sure that nobody has any basis to try to deny that we got Osama bin Laden,� John Brennan, Obama�s counterterrorism adviser, said following the alleged assassination. Brennan said the government will �share what we can because we want to make sure that not only the American people but the world understand exactly what happened.�

Despite a complete lack of evidence, the government and the corporate media now routinely insist Obama ordered the military to kill Osama bin Laden at a compound in Pakistan.

Former State Department official Steve Pieczenik told Alex Jones last May that the staged assassination was nothing more than �American theater of the absurd� and a photo supposedly showing members of the Obama administration watching a live video feed of the assassination was fabricated.

Pieczenik and others, including members of the FBI and Israeli intelligence, believe Osama died in late 2001, soon after the United States military invaded Afghanistan. On December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting that bin Laden had died in mid-December and Taliban officials had attended the funeral. President Musharraf of Pakistan and president Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan also publicly stated in 2002 they believe Osama bin Laden died in 2001.

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Uploaded by TheAlexJonesChannel on 2 May 2011

Alex Jones exposes the contrived "victory" in the War on Terror surrounding a man who many experts have said was already dead for years. After nearly a decade of "hunting" for Bin Laden, he is summarily shot in the head and allegedly dumped into the ocean (conveniently making the body unavailable). So goes the official life of Osama bin Laden (aka Tim Osman), one of the CIA's most useful patsies and assets.




Who is Dr Steve Pieczenik?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik

Professional life
Pieczenik was deputy assistant secretary of state under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance and James Baker.[3] His expertise includes foreign policy, international crisis management and psychological warfare.[7] He served the presidential administrations of Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush in the capacity of deputy assistant secretary.[8]
In 1974, Pieczenik joined the U.S. State Department as a consultant to restructure its Office for the Prevention of Terrorism.[2]
In 1976, Pieczenik was made deputy assistant secretary of state for management.[2][5][9][10]
At the State Department, he served as a "specialist on hostage taking."[11] He has been credited with devising successful negotiating strategies and tactics used in several high profile hostage situations including the 1976 TWA Flight 355 hostage situation and the 1977 kidnapping of the son of Cyprus' president.[2] He was involved in negotiations for the release of Aldo Moro after Moro was kidnapped.[12] As a renowned psychiatrist, he was utilized as a press source for early information on the mental state of the hostages involved in the Iranian Hostage Crisis after they were freed.[13] In 1977, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Mary McGrory described Stephen Pieczenik as "one of the most 'brilliantly competent' men in the field of terrorism."[14] He worked "side by side" with Police Chief Maurice J. Cullinane in the Washington, D.C. command center of Mayor Walter Washington during the 1977 Hanafi Siege.[15] In 1978, Pieczenik was known as "a psychiatrist and political scientist in the U.S. State Department whose credentials and experiences are probably unique among officials handling terrorist situations."[2]
On September 17, 1978 the Camp David Accords were signed. Pieczenik was at the secret Camp David negotiations leading up to the signing of the Accords. He worked out strategy and tactics based on psychopolitical dynamics. He correctly predicted that, given their common backgrounds, Egyptian President Anwar El Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin would get along.[3]
In 1979, he resigned as deputy assistant secretary of state over the handling of the Iranian hostage crisis.[4]
In the early 1980s, Pieczenik wrote an article for The Washington Post in which he claims to have heard a senior U.S. official in the State Department Operations Center give permission for the attack that led to the death of U.S. Ambassador Adolph Dubs in Kabul, Afghanistan in 1979.[16]
Pieczenik got to know Syrian President Hafez Assad well during his 20 years in the US State Department.[3]
In 1982, Pieczenik was mentioned in a New York Times article as "a psychiatrist who has treated C.I.A. employees".[17]
In 2001, Pieczenik operated as chief executive officer of Strategic Intelligence Associates, a consulting firm.[18]
Pieczenik has been affiliated in a professional capacity as a psychiatrist with the National Institute of Mental Health.[19]
Pieczenik has consulted with the United States Institute of Peace and the RAND Corporation [20]
Pieczenik is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.[21]
Pieczenik is fluent in five languages including Russian, Spanish and French.[2][3][4]
Pieczenik has lectured at the National Defense University.[7]

Pieczenik claims to be the first psychiatrist ever to receive a PhD focusing on international relations. He attained a PhD in international relations from MIT while studying at Harvard Medical School.

Controversies
In 1992, Pieczenik told Newsday that in his professional opinion, President Bush was "clinically depressed". As a result, he was brought up on an ethics charge before the American Psychiatric Association and reprimanded. He subsequently quit the APA.[4]
He calls himself a "maverick troublemaker. You make your own rules. You pay the consequences."[4]
On May 3, 2011, radio host Alex Jones aired an interview in which Pieczenik claimed that Osama Bin Laden had died of Marfan syndrome in 2001 shortly after the September 11 attacks, and that the attacks on the United States on 9/11 were part of a false flag operation by the American government.[29]
On October 20, 2011 in an interview with the Alex Jones, where Pieczenik claimed that Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi is alive and said "There�s no way they killed Muammar Gaddafi, that�s not our operating mode and I�ve been involved in 30 years with the takeouts and regime changes." He also slammed President Barack Obama by calling him an "obsessional pathological liar".[30][31]
On September 16, 2012, during an interview with Alex Jones, Pieczenik stated that Israel planned to initiate war with Iran during Yom Kippur 2012, unless ex-Mossad and ex-Shin Bet agents assassinated Benjamin Netanyahu.[32] Neither prediction came to pass




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