\r\n \r\n It is a shame that in college doctors are taught that hypertension is idiopathic, which discourages them from searching for the cause of hypertension in each of their patients.
\nThere are dozens of causes of hypertension, including an excess of many hormones such as parathyroid (grossly underdiagnosed in the elderly), cortisol, thyroid, epinephrine, norepinephrine, resistin, endothelin, angiotensin, etc, neurotransmitters such as serotonin, etc, cardiovascular malformations, such as beadstring renal arteries in fibromuscular dysplasia, advanced atherosclerosis, etc, but perhaps the most common and easily corrected cause of hypertension resulted from prolonged hyperuricemia. Uric acid is involved in a downward spiral:
\nSerum uric acid>5 increases angotensin II production, which increases smooth muscle cell uptake of sodium urate and efflux of Mg and K, which causes vasoconstriction and hypertension.
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\nThe body\'s diuretic is taurine, which causes sodium urate efflux and increased cell uptake of Mg and K. Unfortunately taurine production can be reduced and taurine can be lost in urine in the early early stages of kidney damage (aminoaciduria, often brought about by combined hypertension, hyperuricemia, homocysteinemia, high acrolein, etc, which are often caused by a high (Fe+Mo)/Cu).
\nAccordingly, donating blood until 35<ferritin<58 in order to dump excess Fe and Mo, taking 2 mg/d Cu, 1,4 g/d fish oil (to increase adiponectin and antiinflammatory eicosanoids and reduce inflammatory eicosanoids) and 2 g/d taurine and taking periodic hot brine baths to reduce homocysteine, uric acid, urea, etc, and to increase atrial natriuretic peptide, adiponectin (which blocks many inflammatory andhypertensive hormones and other substances) not only resolve hypertension but many other conditions.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I haven\'t been satisfied with any doctor, including naturopathic, in their diagnosis troubleshooting. Cardiologists are just drug dealers. They will at least get an echocardiogram, but that does not detect any of the numerous causes for hypertension. Naturopathic doctors and practitioners just use anecdotal evidence which merely induces one size fits all.
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\nNaturopathic doctors first want you to be on an anticandida diet. If that does not work, then a gluten free diet, if that doesn\'t work....
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\nDuring the first meeting with my cardiologist and without any tests, he gives me a script for Calcium Channel blocker. I ask why, because I supplement with magnesium in larger than normal dose. He says, "Because all my patients are on it." So, I tell him I\'ll try it for a month. Unfortunately it did bring my BP down considerably. I suspect that I cannot take enough magnesium without being subject to diarrhea. The next thing he scripts is beta blocker. Oh bother. Again I say I will try for one month. Very bad bronchitis with this. I google info and discover that all beta blockers may cause bronchitis. I tell him and he says, "Absolutely they do not. Keep taking." After a while, I say I have no confidence in beta blocker and am not going to take. I\'m the 1% population that has this bronchial tube constriction. BTW, ashwagandha is a natural beta blocker, but again - how much to take?. Then the jerk wants me to take an ACE inhibitor instead. Gee, I don\'t know any natural substitute for that. And I am severely allergic (Anaphylaxis) to Aspirin, and besides I would rather take nattokinase. I\'m surprised he hasn\'t tried to put me on statins. Neither he nor my GP have ever taken cholesterol reading on me. So, I take nattokinase and serrapeptase sort of regularly. Meanwhile I am doing well and doing everything else to try to get off of the CCB and ACE inhibitor. Exercise, lower sodium, no sugar, hawthorn berry, magnesium, more balanced minerals, etc.
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\nThis is why I believe that cardiologists are just drug dealers.
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\nBut really, as you say, there are numerous causes. I\'m pretty convinced that a life and career of high stress has put me where I am with my health. However, I have retired for 6 years and still have not improved my stress level. It seems that if I have nothing to worry about, I invent something.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n As I said doctors, including cardiologists are taught that it is idiopathic, so they are expected simply to diagnose idiopathic hypertension after 5 minutes (as if hypertension were a disease, not a symptom) and to prescribe antihypertensives, if one doen\'t work keep trying others, there are dozens of them.
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\nHypertension is not more a disease than fever or hyperuricemia are. They are all simply symptoms and cannot be diagnosed as diseases.
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\nLet me give you an example, my father, who was 84 yo at the time.
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\nHe went to see the dentist because a molar was hurting badly. The dentist determined that it had to be extracted, but the roots were too deep so he referred my dad to a surgeon.
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\nThe surgeon checked B.P. before surgery and found it very high, so he told my dad to go to his doctor to bring down the B.P. for surgery. The physician asked for the normal tests: Na, Cl, K, total cholesterol and triglycerides, all of which were normal. He diagnosed idiopathic hypertension and prescribed an antihypertensive. After taking it for a while, B.P. remained high and molar pain intense, so my dad went to see a cardiologist. The cardiologist asked for the same tests and again diagnosed idiopathic hypertension and prescribed another antihypertensive, whcih again didn�t work. Fed up with doctors in his town, he went to see the husband of his step daughter from his second marriage, a famous internist in Guadalajara, the second largest city in M�xico with several million people. The brilliant internist ordered the same tests, again diagnosed idiopathic hypertension and prescribed another antihypertensive. When B.P. remained high after 4 days of taking it, my dad phoned his step son-in-law, who told him to double the dose. After 3 weeks in pain my dad finally told me. I told him to take viagra, which was conceived for hypertension and only discovered to work for ED during clinical trials). Immediate B.P. went down and his molar was extracted. The following day I ordered the same tests I ask all my patients. His Ca was very high, phosphorus very low, so I ordered a parathyroid hormone test. Which was over ten fold higher than ideal. Had I not dicovered the hyperparathyroidism his bones would have become so weak that they might break while standing still, he would have lost his short term memory and mind (often misdiagnosed as Alzheimer\'s), developed severe gastric ulcers, kidney stones, etc,
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\nHe is now 90 yo and his labs are better than almost everybody I treat, including 6 and 16 yo people. His short term memory is much better than it was before he came to me and he is no longer constipated.
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\nParathyroid hormone causes bones to dissolve and the kidneys to eliminate P and Mg but not Ca, so that every day Ca/(Mg+P) is higher, causing major muscular and nervous problems, etc, Unfortunately, hyperparathyrodism is grossly underdiagnosed, as are sleep apnea and dozens of other common and fatal diseases, which cause hypertension.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I thought phosphorus was high in cases of hyper-parathyroid.
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\nDoctors have a tendency to over dispense drugs with hypertensive patients. This is due to lazy diagnosis. They do not recognize what alternative therapies that their patients are using, and no fault of their own. People are indiscriminate too in their self diagnosis and use of alternative therapies. I found out that supplementation of potassium with the use of ACE inhibitors is a very bad thing. A high potassium diet does not supply as much potassium as a supplement normally does.
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\nVitamin D is a good thing with hyper-parathyroid, but minerals need to still be in good balance. Sometimes the glands can put them out of balance no matter what you try.
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\nIodine therapy may not be good either. One does not have the means at home to discover Hashimoto\'s or Graves disease.
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\nWhat is your discipline in the health field? It is evident that you practice such and with clientele.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n You seem to be confusing hyperparathyroidism (HPTH) with hyperthryroidism (HTH), two completely different beasts.
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\r\n \r\n Oh right. My confusion. Pardon that. I am well aware that they provide separate functions. I was thinking too much of my own situation. I also know the relationship of numerous glands working together. For example, when the adrenals are weak or even fatigued, they can have a marked effect on the thyroid. This is mostly what I deal with in my life. And many glands are directly affected by the functions of the hypothalamus, which may even be considered the master gland.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n A few examples of how deficient conventional medical resoning is.
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\n1) Doctors add good cholesterol (HDL) with bad cholesterol (LDL) to yield total cholesterol! this is like adding your debts and income, instead of subtracting or dividing them to get a meaningful number. In any event, cholesterol is a lousy indicator of cardiac event risk, much less meaningful than uric acid, homocysteine, troponin, ferritin, insulin, etc, which they ignore.
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\n2) Although 90% of people with hyperuricemia never develop gout, even with higher urate levels than people with gout, all medical text and almost all journal articles, websites (wiki, etc,) state that gout is caused by hyperuricemia.
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\n3) By law, lab reference values (on which doctors base their diagnoses) are obtained in the most stupid possible way: Only the highest and lowest 2.5% of the people who were analyzed the previous year (most of which were sick and went to see a doctor) must fall outside the range (95% of all people analyzed must fall inside the range!). This obviously makes the tests pretty useless to diagnose disease in the early stages, when it is easier to correct.
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\n4) Doctors tell people to avoid eggs in order to keep cholesterol down, unaware of the fact that we synthesize more cholesterol from a bowl of white rice in our liver than we get from a couple of eggs (one of the most complete foods, full of vits, minerals, fatty acids, excellent protein, etc,).
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\nOnly numerically challenged people could reason like that.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Actually I suspect some cases of hypertension to be caused by a microbe. Clearly MMS reduces or eliminates hypertension for some people.
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\nHypertension is not a diagnosis in and of itself, it is merely a symptom...although a serious one. It is what I call a basket diagnosis. You cant have a real diagnosis without an etiology.. and for HTN, they really have none... like many of their other fabricated diagnosis out there...\r\n

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\r\n \r\n In deed, bad flora can cause hypertension. For example, in Mexico I\'ve found that 1 in 6 people have active giardiasis and even more have it dormant. Giardia flattens the gut villi, causes lactose intolerance (lactose-free milk sells extremely well in Mexico), and several deficiencies, which can cause hypertension, colitis, depression, heart disease, skin diseases, etc, and which I cure in a week.
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\nGiardia is extremely easy to acquire because water is not well treated, it is chlorine resistant, its spores measure only two microns and pass through most domestic filters and because vegetables are often irrigated with water contaminated with fecal matter. Once you acquire giardia you never eliminate it unless you treat it. My worst case was a 74 yo woman on 7 heart medications, plus antihypertensives and an antidepressive. From what she said I concluded that she acquired it when she was 3. She thought colitis was part of life and initially felt strange without it. We eliminated the medications and she improved so much that her sons (migrant workers in the US) didn\'t recognize her when they came to visit for christmas.
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\nDoctors diagnose these people with nervous colitis, an extremely stupid term, since the nervous system has little to do with colitis, while giardia runs rampant.\r\n

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\n Copper deficiency also contributes to weak adrenal function.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Yes. Thanks. I have been supplementing and trying to balance my minerals. I am using colloidal minerals, instead of crushed rocks. I should not have to do that, but most times my diet doesn\'t measure up to the norm. Being underweight forever, I\'ve always felt I could indulge. Foolish me.
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\nI agree with Arrow that hypertension is a "basket diagnosis". It should be considered a syndrome.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n A syndrome involves a group of symptoms. For example, hypertension is part of metabolic syndrome. Like I sad hypertension is simply a symptom, caused by many conditions, much like fever or a rash. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of knowledge and effort to find the actual disease behind hypertension in each individual and I appear to be the only idiot interested in wasting all that time learning and treating each patient, instead of making a fortune prescribing antihypertensives in a 5 minute consult without any knowledge or interest in curing the patient.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I feel that hypertension is never alone in its symptoms. Kind of like Irritable Bowel Syndrome, that has several causes that are caused by other causes. Hypertension can be caused by another symptom of high cholesterol which is caused by inflammation which is caused by.... See what I mean?
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\n Of course, I know you are right. It just seems that something that has a cause which was caused by another cause, and on and on, would be best classified as a syndrome. Words don\'t matter and won\'t give grants for more study. It\'s just bad no matter what.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n As I said a syndrome has several symptoms or even several conditions involving several symptoms each. Hypertension is a single symptom (high blood pressure measured in a minute). Fever is also a single symptom (high temperature measured in seconds) and can be caused by hundreds of different diseases or combinations of diseases. A rash is also a single, rapidly identifiable symptom, whcih can be caused by many diseases.
\n Diagnosing hypertension is as ridiculous as diagnosing fever.
\nThe only reason doctors started considering hypertension as a disease is that it is much easier to call an idiopathic disease a symptom which is caused by many diseases than to be familiar with and to look for those diseases in each patient. It is much easier to falsely teach medical students that hypertension is an idiopathic disease and that they need not waste time finding the underlying diseases than to spend a semester or two teaching them the myriad diseases that cause it and how to identify or rule them out in each patient and how to treat them.
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\nHigh bad cholesterol and triglycerides (dyslipidimia) is not a disease, only a symptom and it does not cause hypertension but often coexists with it. Both hypertension and dyslipidimia can be caused by several diseases, for example incipient diabetes type II (insulin resistance induced by low omega 3, Cr, vit B1 and B6, etc, and excess Fe, Mo, Pb, simple carbs, saturated fats, etc,). Instead of treating the disease and correcting it, doctors simply treat 3 symptoms indepently with statins to try and reduce LDL (they don\'t even reduce triglycerides or increase HDL), antihypertensives and thiazide to reduce B.P. and metformin to lower glucose. This patient also probably has high uric acid and homocysteine, but doctors almost never check homocysteine and if there is no gout, doctors will usually ignore the high uric acid. If there is gout, they will prescribe another medication only to reduce uric acid (which is being increased bythe thiazide!).
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\nNone of these medications deals with the causes, but each treats a single symptom for a while and has several side effects, especially the thiazide, the subject matter of this thread and which will eventually kill the patient by depleting Mg and K, raising uric acid, etc,\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Since thiazide increases urate levels, one would expect it to increase glucose levels (insulin resistance), here is proof positive.
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\nThen why the hell do they keep prescribing it by the ton, instead of suspending production? The inertia of the snowball effect, once medication is accepted widely and blindly by physicians it is used at ever increasing rates, regardless of side effects. If it improves even temporarily one symptom, it doen\'t matter if it causes or exacerbates a handful or a dozen other symptoms. The snow ball keeps growing ever faster as it rolls downhill, killing more millions in its path every year.
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\nI\'ve started a new thread about the absurd way in which lab reference values are determined by law
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\r\n \r\n I\'m thinking the same thing regarding that neurotoxin aspartame. It\'s everywhere. Could probably say the same for high fructose corn syrup. Now they allowed to label it corn syrup.
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\r\n \r\n Doctors don\'t benefit from prescribing thiazide, only labs do from producing it. The point is that they prescribe it out of ignorance. I don\'t think they\'d continue to do so if they knew they are killing their patients slowly.\r\n

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\nI think that Dr Brownstien addresses some of this in his book, SALT: Your way to health.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n While I agree with Brownstein in many points, I do not regard mined salt as toxic nor sea salt as a requirement for health. I consider daily Mg citrate a much better source of Mg than the small percentage of Mg sulfate in the small amount of sea salt that we may consume daily.
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\nIt is most interesting that almost all doctors are familiar with thiazide, but almost no doctors are familiar with taurine, the body\'s diuretic. Taurine expels Na urate from the smooth muscle cells that line the arteries and determine blood pressure. Taurine also increases cell Mg uptake.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n IIRC, Dr Brownstien reccomends not just the gray sea salt, but also the Redmond salt from Utah, which is mined.
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\r\n \r\n Yes. Thanks. Good tip on taurine.
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\nI like the Himalayan salt. The pink indicates that there is more copper. I try not to use salt in my cooking. I get enough elsewhere, like cans of soup. I\'d rather use herbs/spices to enhance flavors enough that salt is unnecessary.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I have yet to see a can of soup that doesn\'t have MSG in it, and Campbells is the worst.\r\n

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\nTwo minerals you have claimed the general populace is short on.
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\nI don\'t care what the cost is; It\'s poison and I\'m not going to eat it.
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\nI do NOT use any of those aluminum products. No, they shouldn\'t be banned. In a free country you should be allowed to drink from lead goblets if that\'s your choosing. Reason is, once the aluminum lobby gets strong enough, they will pay the whores on Capitol Hill to ban copper, stainless and iron cookware.
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\r\n \r\n Everything is poison depending on the dose, even water and sea salt. Bitter almonds and other foods contain far more cyanide that the table salt you consume and they don\'t kill you unless you pig out on them.
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\nMy 90 year old father (a navy fighter pilot in WW II), whose lab results and memory are better than most 30 year olds has taken nothing but table salt all his life. He has taken Mg citrate, copper, omega 3, vit D and chromium daily for 7 years and his labs improved considerably with them every year. I hope to do half as well.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Does your smoker uncle eat only sea salt or is he just a lucky, tough bastard? I have only seen completely dark hair in octa or nonagenarians with excess copper or with died hair.
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\nMined salt contains more Chlorine by weight than sodium and the same atomic percent, so the article\'s 99% Na is totally wrong. If they\'re talking about metal content (not mineral content as they state), the statement that sea salt contains only 50% Na is even more absurd. Your article is pure, widespread nonsense.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n No, I wasn\'t indicating salt use for my uncle, the point was just because he lives a long time doesn\'t mean he doesn\'t do things which are blatantly unhealthy.
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\nHe was large, easy going, and very generous. Probably a few of those traits helped benefit his well-being.
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\nAs for the salt info, it came from Dr Brownstiens book on salt. Perhaps you should send you research data that disproves his research data to the good doctor, and begin a dialog on where his research went wrong and where your research takes over to disprove his thesis. The discussion would be of benefit to all of us.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n A lifetime is not enough to write to each nutcase in order to make him see the faults in the nonsense published daily in books, the web and articles.
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\n I stopped publishing in medical journals years ago, because most doctors don\'t know enough chemistry to begin to understand the problems and don\'t care about causes, they simply fool around with symptoms.
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\n I think it\'s time to get back to thiazide slowly killing tens of millions worlwide.\r\n

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