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I understand more now since my daughters bill could be a half million from what some tell me. Yet, it has been a little more than three months and we still do not have the bill or know what they are charging her insurance. Probably the best is a high deductible and put back what one would normally pay for full coverage until the deductible was in an account.
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Has anyone been following this? I can not believe what they have been doing to the competition! Forcing hospitals to raise rates and costing people coverage! The greed of these health insurance companies never ceases to amaze me. And now we are gonna HAVE to give them our money!?!
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