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Ted wrote about high vit. D levels often correlating to high testosterone levels and it got me thinking......

My testosterone levels are high which is quite a shocker. What could cause this?

I've been supplementing vit. D for about 6 months. We have 5,000 mg. capsules. I haven't been in the sun very much. I take 5,000 mg. about 4 times a week. Every once in a while I'll take 10-25 mg. if I've forgotten to take it for a week or so.

My husband thinks there is no way I have high levels of vit. D because I'm not in the sun but maybe I do and that is causing my testosterone levels go high. Hmmmmm.......

Anyone gotten tested and found you were surprisingly high in vit. D?
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You do not have to be in the sun to raise vitamin d levels. See the video from Dr. Steffanie Seneff and Dr. Mercola https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QUChSlUEH0

it will put things into order.

My daughter has raised her level over six weeks on supplements from 18 to 30 but it takes time to get to the 50 mark.
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I've been supplementing vit. D for about 6 months. We have 5,000 mg. capsules. I haven't been in the sun very much. I take 5,000 mg. about 4 times a week. Every once in a while I'll take 10-25 mg. if I've forgotten to take it for a week or so.

My husband thinks there is no way I have high levels of vit. D because I'm not in the sun but maybe I do and that is causing my testosterone levels go high.
First you are using 5000iu capsules not 5000mg,
If you remember to take 4 x 5000iu a week that = approzx 3000iu daily so there is no way your levels could be extravagantly high.
In order to raise your level ABOVE the natural levels humans evolved to function best with you would have to take MORE than human skin naturally makes given full body UVB exposure. So only prolonged consumption of 10,000iu/daily together with sun exposure would be likely to produce toxicity.
There is a wide range of individual responses to vitamin d supplements.
If you click this image you can see typical responses to 3000iu/daily vitamin d3 still leave many people below the 60ng/ml 150nmol/l level that enables human milk to be a complete food for human babies.


While I have a high regard for Stephanie Seneff and Dr Mercola I'm not convinced of the role of Vitamin D sulphate. While I'm sure the conversion of 7-dehydrocholesterol into vitamin d is never as straightforward as it appears in scientific diagrams, and there are benefits from UVB exposure that are in addition to JUST vitamin d3 cholecalciferol, I also doubt that the modern techniques of analysis would totally miss Vitamin D Sulphate and the absence of any mention of the sulphated form in recent vitamin d research is a concern.
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If I remember correctly from your lab work your high testosterone may be due to low estorgen levels. Estrogen opposes testosterone. When estrogens go down then testosterone goes up... this is why you see older women with moustaches! Get your estrogens in order first before you make any other adjustments.
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First you are using 5000iu capsules not 5000mg,
If you remember to take 4 x 5000iu a week that = approzx 3000iu daily so there is no way your levels could be extravagantly high.
In order to raise your level ABOVE the natural levels humans evolved to function best with you would have to take MORE than human skin naturally makes given full body UVB exposure. So only prolonged consumption of 10,000iu/daily together with sun exposure would be likely to produce toxicity.
There is a wide range of individual responses to vitamin d supplements.
If you click this image you can see typical responses to 3000iu/daily vitamin d3 still leave many people below the 60ng/ml 150nmol/l level that enables human milk to be a complete food for human babies.


While I have a high regard for Stephanie Seneff and Dr Mercola I'm not convinced of the role of Vitamin D sulphate. While I'm sure the conversion of 7-dehydrocholesterol into vitamin d is never as straightforward as it appears in scientific diagrams, and there are benefits from UVB exposure that are in addition to JUST vitamin d3 cholecalciferol, I also doubt that the modern techniques of analysis would totally miss Vitamin D Sulphate and the absence of any mention of the sulphated form in recent vitamin d research is a concern.
Yes each person is different and has different issues. I also agree that the candida problems reduce natural estrogen which raises the testosterone and this issues can be helped with 1 tsp apple cider vinegar in 1/2 cup water twice a day for as long as it takes. We are currently using steffanie's approach and seeing remarkable changes. We will just wait and see.
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I didn't realize low estrogen could cause high testosterone. I thought it was estrogen and progesterone that balanced each other out. Cortisol affects DHEA and insulin. DHEA affects testosterone. All start from cholesterol then pregnenolone. Ahhhh......the learning curve is great...lol

BTW, several months ago I asked for help with my insomnia. Thanks everyone who helped. I now wonder if low estrogen was/is the reason? I began taking progesterone cream about 6 months ago which was suggested by my hematologist but without any saliva hormone testing. That was a bad shot in the dark because my progesterone was crazy high.

I'm currently taking 2 T. of flaxseeds and black cohosh tincture for increase estrogen. Will retest in 6 months.
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You dont need to wait 6 months,, go in three, just be consistent with your supplements.
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Ted wrote about high vit. D levels often correlating to high testosterone levels and it got me thinking......

My testosterone levels are high which is quite a shocker. What could cause this?

I've been supplementing vit. D for about 6 months. We have 5,000 mg. capsules. I haven't been in the sun very much. I take 5,000 mg. about 4 times a week. Every once in a while I'll take 10-25 mg. if I've forgotten to take it for a week or so.

My husband thinks there is no way I have high levels of vit. D because I'm not in the sun but maybe I do and that is causing my testosterone levels go high. Hmmmmm.......

Anyone gotten tested and found you were surprisingly high in vit. D?
That's an awful lot of vitamin D to be taking without having had a vitamin D blood test first. Vitamin D is stored in the liver, so any excess you are taking will be stored and can build up to dangerous levels. Get a vitamin D test before you continue that high dose regimen. Vitamin D is also required to be in balance with vitamin A, the ratio being 10:1. Are you also taking vitamin A, or just taking high does vitamin D in a willy nilly fashion? Know your status before you take such high doses, which can be safe, but only if needed.
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That's an awful lot of vitamin D to be taking without having had a vitamin D blood test first.
It was actually 5000iu not mg and as 5000iu/daily is just half what your skin would make on a sunny day it's not an awful lot. Similarly NO ONE WOULD have a 25(OH)D test before taking off their clothes and laying in the sun so why for goodness sake should they test before taking half the amount they would naturally make?
What is the point in having a test if you don't know how your body responds to vitamin D3.
Surely only after you've been taking an EFFECTIVE AMOUNT for a reasonable period of time will you know how you have responded.
Only AFTER you have been tested will you be able to work out roughly how you compare with other people on that intake and be able to adjust your intake in relation to your response.

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Vitamin D is stored in the liver, so any excess you are taking will be stored and can build up to dangerous levels.
But how often does this happen in practice?
Where are all the examples of hypervitamintosis D?
How many people in the world are using effective amounts of vitamin D and compare that with the number of people who report ill effects.
'Now compare that with the numbers of side effects/deaths from any, every, Pharmaceutical drug and get your priorities right.
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Get a vitamin D test before you continue that high dose regimen.
But no one with an iota of common sense would suggest that half the amount human DNA is set to create is a high dose regimen.

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Vitamin D is also required to be in balance with vitamin A, the ratio being 10:1.
Where is your evidence for that statement?

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Are you also taking vitamin A, or just taking high does vitamin D in a willy nilly fashion? Know your status before you take such high doses, which can be safe, but only if needed.
Show me the evidence that most people are actually Vitamin D replete?
If you are so ignorant about average adult vitamin d status you really should not be posting online.
Have you no idea of the damage your irresponsible scaremongering can do?
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