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I wish I could take credit for writing all this but I didn't. It is a compilation of notes and cuts and pastes collected over the last 5 months. I will try to go through it and put in another color stuff I didn't write.....Arrow

Osteoporosis – A Nine Step Plan Part 1

There are two reasons why osteoporosis occurs according to a clinical nutrition perspective. The first and most obvious reason is that enough of the raw ingredients necessary for bone formation are not taken in. It is a myth that calcium is the key to bone construction. It is only one of the players. It requires a synergistic union of a number of compounds and minerals to create bone matter. First and foremost, the raw materials must be supplied and most of these will be in minerals. Secondary are the necessary vitamins.
The second reason is that there are digestive inadequacies that are preventing the ingested raw materials from getting into the body. Inadequate digestion will keep the minerals and other supporting nutrients from entering the blood stream.
In the elderly there may also be hormonal issues. Have the thyroid and parathyroid checked. Do not accept the medication called synthroid or anything similar if there is a hypothryoid conditon. Demand Armour thyroid. An iodine supplement should be considered and the thyroid rechecked after 3 months of supplementation.
1. Silica is essential for the formation of bone matrix, and the repair of tough connective tissue in joints as well as bones. . It provides the body with strength and flexibility. I would take a natural plant based silica product for the best effect. There are reported cases of cure of osteoporosis with the use of Horsetail herb which is very high in silica and which is highly bioavailable. Many cures have been reported in just 9 weeks but for very advanced osteoporosis it of course would take longer.
Purchase it here:
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I would take 16 capsules a day for for 3 weeks, then 12 a day for 3 weeks, then 8 a day for 3 weeks, and then maintenance dose of 6 caps a day, (2 after each meal.
You know. No one likes the cure word in conventional or alternative health. It really puts people on on a limb of expectation. But my clinical nutrition teacher uses the cure word for osteoporosis with the use of this silica horsetail product. This product may be a little spendy. After the results are seen I would seek a less expensive organic Horsetail Herb product.

2. Vitamin D3 must be increased. Do not think you will get it from the sun as elderly people loose the capacity to produce vitamin D from the sun. Actually this capacity starts to decrease in the early ‘30’s. I advise that you get your vitamin D levels checked. You want the 25 hydroxy vit D3 level test, not any other. You want your D level to rise to between 40 and 50, 50 being optimum. It is very difficult to get a D level to rise. You will need to mega dose on D until it occurs. It may take several months. Recheck your D level at 6 weeks and adjust your dosage accordingly. When you have reached a 40 to 50 level you can cut back but will still have to supplement daily to maintain your level. When you get to this point use a D supplement that is derived from fish oil such as this one:
To start I would use a product like this.
D3 50,0000 iu 2 x day for one week, then I would take it 1 x day for a week, . then I reduced to 10,000 IU daily. After 6 weeks I had my Vitamin D3 levels checked. Now I take a fish oil product equaling 5,000 IU a day for maintenance. This is what I have done but many different products can be used and in different strengths. If I had access to the injection that is what I would use as it is easier than a pill.

https://www.vitacost.com/Jarrow-Formu...ngredientFacts you will need 12 per day! You can divide them out through the day. Fortunately they are cheap!
Vitamin D will help to reconstruct bones and it will prevent cancer.
https://secure.bio-tech-pharm.com/catalog.aspx?cat_id=2
I have been using this above product, in 50,000 IU, one cap daily at the beginning of my protocol. Some people just take one of these a week after their optimal Vit D3 levels have been achieved.
Vitamin D3 Notes from the Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy Conference I attended.

Ellie Campbell D.O. Family Doctor and Bio - Identical Hormone Expert - My seminar notes


Methods of Application of Vit D3
1. Orally
2. Topical D3 replacement therapy lotion
3. Injection

Vitmain D injection
Dr. Campbell recommends:
One time a year injection of Custom compounded
400,000 to 600,000 IU vitamin D3

Most people will be restored with one injection but there are a few who require a second injection and those people may need 5,000 IU daily to maintain a level 50 over the year.
Dr Campbell recommends the injection to almost all her patients.

In the USA there is no RDA for Vit D

1000 IU is inadequate to restore or to maintain a level 50
2,000 to 5,000 IU is required to sustain a D level of 50 depending on size, age and sun exposure

deficiency requires 5 to 10,000 IU per day.
Recheck D3 after 5 to 6 weeks
(400 IU is 1/10 of what is needed)

In India each nursing home patient gets a 600,000 IU injection per year routinely!

D levels of 46 to 50 is of best advantage for preventing cancer

Signs of Deficiency over a long period of time:

Proximal muscle weakness
(They can not get out of a chair unless they push themselves and this is caused by deficiency in vit D)
Osteoporosis
Bone pain
Depression
Brain fog
Insomnia
weak fingernails
weak pelvic muscles

The Right Test – use bioidentical vit D3 as the body can process it better
25 hydroxy vit D3 level
1, 25 hydroxy vit D3 level ( don’t use this test as it measures the 1 25 molecule and it has a short half life and you may think you have adequate levels but it does not last )

If Vitamin D stores are adequate the need for high dosages of calcium are not needed. High dosages of supplemental calcium can cause problems, kidney stones. Get most of your calcium from green veggies and the amount you will need to supplement will be much less.

You need the minerals calcium protein magnesium, iodine, strontium, boron, plus exercise with Vit D3 to prevent osteoporois.

She does not recommend any prescription osteoporosis medication.

If you find that some of the supplements you are taking offer Vitamin D and you are concerned about taking too much do not worry. It is turning out that overdosing on Vitamin D is a myth and largely based on inaccurate studies. As a maintenance dose, after your vitamin D3 levels are testing up between 40 and 50, Vitamin D3 5,000 IU to 10,000 IU daily is OK. As time goes by you may see where you need to level off at but only testing will be able to assist you with this.


3. Vitamin K2
https://www.healthmegamall.com/prodV...s_c_p38099.htm
or: https://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=256
You need at least 90 mcg. This product may help prevent stroke and other vascular issues. If you are on a blood thinner like warfarin/coumadin discuss this with your doctor first.

An abundance of human clinical data reveals that vitamin K plays a critical role in maintaining healthy bone density by facilitating the transport of calcium from the bloodstream into the bone. Few doctors understand that vitamin K is also required by calcium-regulating proteins in the arteries. without adequate vitamin K, calcium in the blood can bind to the arterial wall resulting in calcification. As people age, even a subclinical vitamin K deficiency can pose risks to the vascular system.
Vitamin K1 is obtained in the diet primarily from dark leafy vegetables (lettuce, spinach, and broccoli). Unfortunately, vitamin K1 is tightly bound to the chlorophyll in green plants, thus, aging humans are not always able to benefit from ingested K1-containing plants. While vitamin K1 is not absorbed particularly well from food, it is absorbed from supplements, provided that the supplements are taken with meals.
Vitamin K2 is found in only small quantities in the diet, primarily in dairy products. Human studies show that vitamin K2 is absorbed up to ten times more than K1. Vitamin K2 remains biologically active in the body far longer than K1. For instances, K1 is rapidly cleared by the liver within 8 hours, whereas measurable levels of K2 have been detected 72 hours after ingestion.
Super K provides vitamin K1 and a new biologically active form of vitamin K2 known as menaquinone-7. The menaquinone-7 form of vitamin K is not metabolized quickly by the liver, thereby making it available to provide a more consistent supply of vitamin K to the body.
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Vitamin K Products as described by Weston Price Foundation:

Menaquinone-4 Supplements: Thorne Research and Carlson Laboratories both offer cost-effective MK-4 supplements. Thorne's product is a liquid supplement. The MK-4 is dissolved in a medium-chain triglyceride base (the fats found in coconut oil) with mixed tocopherols (vitamin E). Carlson's product is less expensive than Thorne's, but comes in dry capsules primarily composed of cellulose and other fillers, and allows the user less control over the dose.
Menaquinone-7 Supplements: Jarrow Formulas and Source Naturals both offer cost-effective MK-7 supplements. Source Naturals' product is less expensive, but Jarrow's contains fewer additives and certifies that the soy used to make the product is not genetically modified. Vitamin K2 supplements interfere with the activity of oral anticoagulants such as warfarin. Patients who are using warfarin should only use vitamin K2 supplements with the knowledge of the prescribing physician.
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4. Magnesium I guarantee that you are magnesium deficient. Magnesium is more important than calcium for bone construction and the ratio of magnesium to calcium should be al least 1 to 1. Some alternative practitions say 2 to 1, with calcium the lesser ingredient.

For Magnesium take a bath with this at least 3 times a week. Transdermal absorption of magnesium will provide the best application of magnesium. You will also take magnesium pills daily. One does not exclude the other,
https://www.globallight.net/Magnesium...kes-30-Oz.html
Find magnesium chloride product and take 600 mg a day.
Find also a calcium citrate product and take at least 250 to 400 mg a day.

This is a good magnesium product. Really, magnesium chloride it the best for absorption. https://www.altahealthproducts.com/MAGNESIUMCHLORIDE.htm
Take three a day and do the baths also. You must saturate your body with magnesium.



5. Protien. To build bones protein is essential. You need lots of high quality protein. Fish, chicken, eggs are great. Red meat once a week is permissible. You need at least 40 grams of protein a day.

Here�s the hitch. Most elderly people do not digest their protein properly. As we age our ability to digest protein goes way down due to a decrease in the production of hydrochloric acid and other enzymes. You will need an HCL supplement to take with all your protein meals and at this stage of the game all your meals should have a protein.

Twenty years of tests done at the Tahoma Clinic in Washington have shown that 90 percent of individuals with osteoporosis have low stomach acid. If your stomach acid is low, your body won�t be able to absorb calcium, strontium, and other minerals nearly as well, and your results won�t be as good.



This is cut and paste that really tells the story quite accurately about Hydrochloric Acid.

Stomach Acid � From https://www.modernherbalist.com/betaine.html

Individuals suffering with stomach and intestinal problems most frequently assume that heartburn, indigestion, gas, and reflux are caused by overproduction of stomach acid. This common misconception has been strongly re-enforced by our conventional medical profession, whose practitioners routinely prescribe stomach acid blocking medications at the slightest sign of stomach dysfunction, failing to properly diagnose the digestive problem by first monitoring the stomach's acid producing function, using scientific methods and neglecting to provide patients with common sense dietary recommendations.

The Symptoms of Over and Under-Production Are The Same
Strangely enough, the symptoms of stomach acid (hydrochloric acid, HCL) over-production and under production are virtually identical. It is therefore unwise to jump to conclusions regarding what's occurring in the stomach without actual testing.

Medical Misdiagnosis Is Very Common
The pharmaceutical firms with their considerable influence on the medical profession have, through advertising, incentives to doctors and various other forms of indoctrination, made it an almost reflex reaction on the part of most physicians, even many gastro-enterologists, to jump to the conclusion that a mojority of gastric problems can be easily treated by the use of acid blocking medications. Because the American public over-consumes unhealthy food at an alarming rate, the routine use of acid blockers is highly profitable for pharmaceutical firms, provides instant relief for many sufferers, but can bring about long-term health problems for many misdiagnosed users.

Functions of Hydrochloric Acid
Hydrochloric acid serves many functions, the three most important are:
1. It is the primary digestive juice responsible for breaking down proteins, preparing them for assimilation.
2. It acts as a protective barrier, killing many potentially harmful micro-organisms in our food.
3. It acts as a venting mechanism for the build-up of excessive concentrations of hydrogen ions in our blood and interstitial fluids. In other words, we consume acid forming foods and / or engage in acid forming activity, the production of stomach acid uses up considerable amounts of the acid forming material (hydrogen ions) thereby assisting in the elimination of excessive tissue acidity. The stomach acid once combined with food is eventually neutralized further down the alimentary canal by alkaline pancreatic secretions.

Underproduction Of Stomach Acid Is A Common Problem
Based upon the testing of sample groups, it has been theorized that well over half of the U.S. population beyond the age of fifty years is under-producing hydrochloric acid on a constant basis, leading to a host of digestive and immune disturbances. One need not be of middle age to have this problem, nowadays it's not uncommon in younger persons as well. The demineralized, devitalized diet that so many are consuming greatly contributes to this problem, which can be significantly compounded by many individuals' preference for extremely low salt intake.


Directions For Use of Betaine HCL
When using Betaine HCL with Pepsin for the first few times, please be sure to follow the directions carefully. Always take Betaine HCL at the start of the meal! If taken without food, stomach burning may result.

1. At the very start of the meal, take one capsule of Betaine HCL. Monitor how your stomach feels during and after eating. Should any burning or heaviness occur, or if burning has been present previously (before taking the supplement) and is now worsened with the use of the Betaine HCL, do not continue using this supplement!!! This is an indication that your stomach is overproducing acid, or that your stomach lining may be damaged. In such cases, please consider the use of Alkabase, Gastric Complex-HP and/or Mastica, to normalize excess acid production and heal the stomach lining.

2. If the first dose of Betaine HCL provided no noticeable stomach discomfort, try taking two capsules at the start of your next meal, again monitor for burning and or heaviness during and after eating. If taking two capsules produces some discomfort, but one capsule does not, restrict yourself to one capsule at the start of each meal. If the two capsule dose produced no discomfort, try three capsules at the start of your next meal.

3. If all goes well when taking three capsules at the start of each meal, stay with that dosage, most individuals will not require increasing the dosage to four capsules. Regular use of supplemental hydrochloric acid will in most cases "re-train" the stomach to produce higher concentrations of acid on its own. This process may take anywhere from several weeks to several months, depending on the individual. The most significant indication that acid production is improving is that Betaine HCL supplementation can no longer be comfortably tolerated.

An Example:
After having used the Betaine HCL for eleven weeks, at a dosage of two capsules per meal, without any discomfort, Joan now notices that she feels a burning sensation when taking the two capsules. She therefore reduces her dosage to one capsule at mealtime. After several more weeks, even one capsule per meal produces burning and Joan discontinues altogether. This is a sign that the stomach has been re-trained to produce adequate concentrations of hydrochloric acid without the further need for supplementation.

When consuming meals that contain little or no protein, much less hydrochloric acid is needed by the stomach to process its contents. Please keep this in mind when using Betaine HCL as a supplement and modify your usage accordingly.
Be sure the Betaine product you choose has Pepsin in it also.
https://www.modernherbalist.com/pics/betaineHCL.jpg
or here: https://www.iherb.com/Search.aspx?c=1...kw=betaine+hcl

I like the www.iherb.com distribution company for a really good price deal.

Now that you have the help you need to digest protein properly here is a great predigested protein product that will easily amp up your grams of protein. It is whey and is just a great product. I mix mine with apple juice and drink it daily. With a product like this you will increase your protein intake about 20 grams without all the fat that is usually associated with protein intake. Be sure to take a Betain HCL supplement when you drink this shake
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I also feel that boron is essential for both bones and joints.

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Essentiality of boron for healthy bones and joints.

Newnham RE.

Rex Newnham and Associates, North Yorkshire, England.
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Since 1963, evidence has accumulated that suggests boron is a safe and effective treatment for some forms of arthritis. The initial evidence was that boron supplementation alleviated arthritic pain and discomfort of the author. This was followed by findings from numerous other observations epidemiologic and controlled animal and human experiments. These findings included a) analytical evidence of lower boron concentrations in femur heads, bones, and synovial fluid from people with arthritis than from those without this disorder; b) observation evidence that bones of patients using boron supplements are much harder to cut than those of patients not using supplements; c) epidemiologic evidence that in areas of the world where boron intakes usually are 1.0 mg or less/day the estimated incidence of arthritis ranges from 20 to 70%, whereas in areas of the world where boron intakes are usually 3 to 10 mg, the estimated incidence of arthritis ranges from 0 to 10%; d) experimental evidence that rats with induced arthritis benefit from orally or intraperitoneally administered boron; e) experimental evidence from a double-blind placebo-boron supplementation trial with 20 subjects with osteoarthritis. A significant favorable response to a 6 mg boron/day supplement was obtained; 50% of subjects receiving the supplement improved compared to only 10% receiving the placebo. The preceding data indicate that boron is an essential nutrient for healthy bones and joints, and that further research into the use of boron for the treatment or prevention of arthritis is warranted.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7889887
I also feel that TMG (Unacidified betaine) is safer and more productive than Betaine HCL). Derived from beet leaves. Trimethylglycine (TMG, betaine) is a methyl donor, which means it gives up methyl groups to help the body in the manufacturing of other substances such as neurotransmitters, hormones, stomach acid, cartilage, etc. Methyl groups also help with DNA repair, lowers inflammatory homocysteine, helps with osmotic regulation, boosts energy and immunity, helps with oxygen utilization and lowers lactic acid, etc. There are about 4,000 methylation reactions that go on in the body.
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Thnaks jfh. I havent acutally updated the above posts as I suddenly am having problems moving stuff from one computer to another.
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I'm also migrating to a new computer. From a desktop to a netbook. I've worked with computers since the punched card; and never had a laptop. I've always had a desktop. I'm also migrating from Win XP to Windows 7. That means, install everything from scratch. At least the desktop is still working, in case I forget something. I'll keep the desktop for printing and volunteer work as treasurer of a wildlife refuge.

I like the portability of a netbook; but find that TV and other things a great distraction while trying to use the netbook at the same time.

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Hello Arrowwind09,
In your "Osteoporosis 9-Step Plan", the link to order the silica is no longer available

I've been taking "Horsetail Grass Max-V" from Douglas Laboratories.
The label reads: Horsetail Herbal Extract: 300 mgs. (aerial part) (Equisetum arvense L.) Standardized to provide 21 mgs. silica (30 mgs. silicic acid)
Horsetail Grass: 100 mgs. (aerial part)(non-standardized)
The suggested serving size is 1 vegetarian capsule daily----I have been taking 3 daily (as I had read what was on the website mentioned above (the one no longer available) quite some time ago and I thought it had mentioned a much higher dosage.

Would you suggest that I start taking these using the protocol of taking so much for so many weeks (can't remember exactly what it was right now), then tapering down as the weeks go until one gets to the maintenance period.

I'm printing out all of the information you have added since I last read the 9-Step Plan. Thank you so much for all your help!!
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Hello Arrowwind09,

The link to order the silica: https://altahealthproducts.com/silica.htm is no longer available.

I have been taking Horsetail Grass Max-V from Douglas Laboratories
The label states: Horsetail Herbal Extract, 300 mgs. (aerial part) (Equisetum arvense L.) Standardized to provide 21 mgs. silica (30 mgs. silicic acid).
Horsetail Grass,100 mgs. (aerial part) (non-standardized)
It says to take 1 capsule daily.

I have been taking 3 daily as I remember the protocol that you listed of taking so many for so many weeks (can't remember exactly how many now), then cutting back for so many weeks until one gets to the maintenance period.

Do you think I should start doing the protocol mentioned in above paragraph, and is the amount of silica in this product sufficient?

Please respond with any information that would be helpful.

I'm going to print out all of the informaton you have added since the 1st thread on osteoporosis. The actual diagnosis given by my doctor is osteoarthritis and osteoporosis.

Thank you for your hard work in providing all the information!!!!
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You would have to compare your product to Flora vegetal silica as found at
https://www.iherb.com/Flora-Vegetal-Silica-180-Capsules/3062?at=0
its as good as the alta product

www.altahealthproducts.com has changed their site considerably. Guess you would have to call them.. this link works. They use to have a nice little article there about Dr Kervan and the research he did.
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Dr Davis has blogged on this topic here.
Homegrown osteoporosis prevention and reversal
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I don't like to stray too far off course from discussions of heart disease and related issues in this blog. But the question of bone health comes up so often that I thought I'd discuss the strategies available to everybody to stop, even reverse, osteoporosis.

Coronary atherosclerotic plaque and bone health are intimately interwoven. People who have coronary plaque usually have osteoporosis; people who have osteoporosis usually have coronary plaque. (The association is strongest in females.) The worse the osteoporosis, the greater the quantity of coronary plaque, and vice versa. The two seemingly unconnected conditions share common causes and thereby respond to similar treatments.

Incredibly, rarely will your doctor tell you about these strategies. Your doctor orders a bone density test, the value shows osteopenia or osteoporosis, and a drug like Fosamax or Boniva is prescribed. As many people are learning, drugs like this can be associated with severe side-effects, such as jaw necrosis (death of the jaw bone), a dangerous and disfiguring condition that leads to loss of teeth and disfigurement, followed by reconstructive surgery of the jaw and face. These are not trivial effects.

Note that drugs are approved by the FDA based on assessment of efficacy and safety, NOT proven equivalence or superiority to natural treatments.

In order of importance (greatest to least), here are strategies that I believe are important to regain or maintain bone health. Indeed, I have seen many women increase bone density using these strategies . . . without drugs of any sort.

1) Vitamin D restoration--Vitamin D is the most important control factor over bone calcium metabolism, as well as parathyroid function. As readers of this blog already know, gelcap forms of vitamin D work best, aiming for a 25-hydroxy vitamin level of 60-70 ng/ml. This usually requires 6000 units per day, though there is great individual variation in need.

2) Vitamin K2--If you lived in Japan, you would be prescribed vitamin K2. While it's odd that K2 is a "drug" in Japan, it means that it enjoys the validation required for approval through their FDA-equivalent. Prescription K2 (as MK-4 or menatetranone) at doses of 15,000-45,000 mcg per day (15-45 mg), improves bone architecture, even when administered by itself. However, K2 works best when part of a broader program of bone health. I advise 1000 mcg per day, preferably a mixture of the short-acting MK-4 and long-acting MK-7. (Emerging data measuring bone resorption markers suggest that lower doses may work nearly as well as the high-dose prescription.)

3) Magnesium--I generally advise supplementation with the well-absorbed forms, magnesium glycinate (400 mg twice per day) or magnesium malate (1200 mg twice per day). Because they are well-absorbed, they are least likely to lead to diarrhea (as magnesium oxide commonly does).

4) Alkaline potassium salts--Potassium as the bicarbonate or the citrate, i.e., alkalinizing forms, are wonderfully effective for preservation or reversal of bone density. Because potassium in large doses is potentially fatal, over-the-counter supplements contain only 99 mg potassium per capsule. I have patients take two capsules twice per day, provided kidney function is normal and there is no history of high potassium.

5) An alkalinizing diet--Animal products are acidic, vegetables and fruits are alkaline. Put them together and you should obtain a slightly net alkaline body pH that preserves bone health. Throw grains like wheat, carbonated soft drinks, or other acids into the mix and you shift the pH balance towards net acid. This powerfully erodes bone. Therefore, avoid grains and never consume carbonated soft drinks. (Readers of this blog know that "healthy, whole grains" should be included in the list of Scams of the Century, along with Bernie Madoff and mortgage-backed securities.)

6) Strength training--Bone density follows muscle mass. Restoring youthful muscle mass with strength training can increase bone density over time. The time and energy needs are modest, e.g., 20 minutes twice per week.

Note that calcium may or may not be on the list. If on the list at all, it is dead last. When vitamin D has been restored, intestinal absorption of calcium is as much as quadrupled. The era of force-feeding high-doses of calcium are long-gone. In fact, calcium supplementation in the age of vitamin D can lead to abnormal high calcium blood levels and increased heart attack risk.

These are benign and easily incorporated strategies. They are also inexpensive. I challenge any drug to match or exceed the benefits of this combination of strategies. Keep in mind that strategies like vitamin D restoration provide an extensive panel of health benefits that range far beyond bone health, an effect definitely NOT shared by prescription drugs.
Earlier in this thread you can find a recommendation for ANNUAL vitamin D supplementation. Now how crazy and unnatural is that?
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I do not recommend those high injections of vitamin D. It was notes from a seminar I took that Dr Campbell reported on what they do in India. I can see how it might be misinterpeted that I am suggesting that.. none the less, it has been reported that this protocl works out well for nursing home patients there, with significantly reduced fracture rate.

What I recommend is listed after number 2. I can no longer edit this post. I would if I could.

Light weight bearing exercise does also help. Studies have shown that wheel chair bound people can build bone mass by lifting hand weights at pounds...
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I do not recommend those high injections of vitamin D. It was notes from a seminar I took that Dr Campbell reported on what they do in India. I can see how it might be misinterpeted that I am suggesting that.. none the less, it has been reported that this protocl works out well for nursing home patients there, with significantly reduced fracture rate.

What I recommend is listed after number 2. I can no longer edit this post. I would if I could.

Light weight bearing exercise does also help. Studies have shown that wheel chair bound people can build bone mass by lifting hand weights at pounds...
I wasn't getting at you, just caught my eye and was a bit shocked.
There has been recent work showing measurable adverse effects from annual supplementing.
If you want to understand why I think it's a bad idea I've put a Vieth paper (How to Optimize Vitamin D Supplementation to Prevent Cancer) online to explain in detail I keep my 25(OH)D both high and stable so there is as little change over the year as possible. I'd accept that probably it will be difficult to show any adverse effects from weekly fortnightly or even monthly supplementing but I prefer to stay with NATURAL amounts of D3 your own skin would make given the chance.
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Hello Arrowwind09,
Quite some time ago you posted protocol for osteoporosis treatment from a professor whose class you were attending. Is it possible to get that protocol?
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Hello Arrowwind09,
Quite some time ago you posted protocol for osteoporosis treatment from a professor whose class you were attending. Is it possible to get that protocol?
Janet
Here is Dr Davis's protocol to be going on with
Country Life, Vitamin D3, 5,000 IU because it's in MCT oil = calorie negative easily absorbed, not sent to storage, and very stable.

Life Extension, Super K, with Advanced K2 Complex Good mix of vitamin k types again in MCT.

Bluebonnet Nutrition, Chelated Magnesium Albion Patent Glycinate form, Well absorbed wont give you the runs reliable

Food sources of Potassium may be sufficient so check before using

I use this magnesium bicarbonate water to alkanize my diet seems to work OK as I was producing very acid urine and now it's not too bad.

The examples above are from IHERB because they offer cheapest shipping to UK. If you live elsewhere you may do better at Amazon or Vitacost depending on shipping charge. $5 discount code for new Iherb users WAB666. There may be other equally good choices to meet Dr Davis specifications. The above are my choices and the reasons for them.

actually Arrowind's post is at the beginning of this thread.
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The part that came specifically from my professor was step number one in my first post on this thread. He claimed that silica in and of itself, if supplied sufficiently would cure osteoporosis.. The alta product is more expensive and you now have to call to purchase it... You can substitute Flora as noted in post #8 on this thread.

He said that the silica must be prepared correctly to dose at these high levels and Alta and Flora meet the bill. The rest of the things recommended in my first post are other products that have a reputation for helping or preventing osteoporosis and I would include as many as you can. It general all the other products mentioned will promote health and prevent disease.
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Mr. Hutchinson,
Regarding Vitamin K2. There's information on: www.nbihealth.com It is stated that only MK4 reduces fractures, Mk7 does not. A product named: Osteo-K is offered on this website. There is information as well as testamonials given.
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