About the benefits of the herbs Khella (Bishop's Weed) and Lobelia for COPD, breathing difficulties and asthma...

Full Article: https://www.naturalnews.com/035139_as...s_lobelia.html

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I remember this:

In the 19th century, American physicians prescribed lobelia to induce vomiting in order remove toxins from the body. Because of this, it earned the name "puke weed."
Maybe this is why it was removed from the market. Remember, people believe that more is better. Not with lobelia. It can be toxic a higher dosages. Otherwise it is excellent for mucus problems.

I think the FDA had issue with its use in anti-smoking products.

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�Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.� Sir Winston Churchill

Thanks for the information and warnings Jfh.

Have not used lobelia for my dad but have used the flollowing and my opinions are as follows:

1) Hot sauce and cayenne pepper extract Works well for short term issues
2) N Acetyl Cysteine Works well, sometimes upset stomach
3) CoEnzyme Q Works great in the long run
4) MSM Debatable
5) Cordyceps Works great long run
6) High dose vitamin A (once in a a while) not sure
7) Vitamin E 200 IU works ok

Look into mormon tea.

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Hey all I'm not sure if i am in the correct area to open a discussion but hopefully i will attract some response and hopefully some well saught after advice! ...
My Mum has copd/Vascular Dementia.. she came to live with me to be taken care of at the beginning of 2011.
Her longlist of Medication :-
Inhalers
Salbutamol x 4 Puffs Am/Pm } Via spacer (this was changed when Mum's condition "copd" progressed) Around July 2011 Respiratory Nurse prescribed 2.5 salbutamol nebules via nebulizer x 4 Daily.
Seretide x 2 puffs Am/Pm } Via spacer
Titropium (spiriva)
Medication
Carbosisteine
Simvastatins
Aminophylline
Warfarin
Mirtazipine 30 mg
Adcal D3
Additional (occational meds)
Diazipam
Oramorph
Anti biotics
Doxycycline
Clarythromycine
Amoxicillin
Trimethoprim

When Mum first came to stay with me she had severe copd .. from january through until May she was admitted to hospital a total of 5 times with severe chest infections and exacerbations .. My view on this is that .. would it not be presumptuous of me to think that there are 2 reasons for my Mum's frequent respiritory ailments .. Number 1 being that i was completely novice at taking care of my Mum. I had now idea how to recognize the earlier signs of CI's, excaserbations and equally not knowing what to do in the event of! I also think that My mum at that time was going through what i call an "adjustment to medication" stage. I really think all this medication has contributed to the weakening of her respiratory system.. (but ofcourse I might be wrong) Don;t get me wrong I'm not saying that all the medication was prescribed wrongly, i believe it has a a place. As time went on I learned to manage Mum far more efficiently at the same time as learning wht it's actually like living with someone with the combination of these conditions! Having Copd is one thing but having copd and dementia at the same time is another! It brings a whole new scope of emotional stress and knock on effects as a result of.
Over that year .. progressing into August there were lots of discussions with District Nurses.. Gps .. I felt that at this time My Mum's condition was worsening and quickening in it's pace taking my Mum closer to her demise. Chest infections and exacerbations every 2-3 weeks increasing anxiety, breahtlessness on minimul amount of exertion. By September Mum's condition had worsened so much that she became housebound infact bedbound .. bar going to use wc and bathing (which was becoming increasingly difficult) ... So much so that the Gp had said that Mum's prognosis wasn't looking promising, her life expectancy was months rather that years. It was recommended that controlled drugs were to be brought onto my premises (just incase drugs) they're, to my knowledge, to ensure the patient is comfortable when there demise is imminent (This is how seriously my Mum's conditions was taken!) ...
Over this time having spent every waking second with my Mum .. i began to question whether this medication was perhaps contribtuting towards my Mum's deterioration! And i feel I was quite right to question her meds ..i requested a review of her medication .. i was expecting suggestions of taking her off atleast 2 medications! she had a kidney function test which came back as a some renal failure was going on. i can only presume this was due to medication as the gp ..went on to suggest stopping the simvastatins! one less is better that none. I just want to add at this point that recent discussions held between me and the Gp "he stated that Aminophylline was a medication that comes in and out of favour) what the hell am i supposed to think?? So if was a Med that was frequently debated then why not suggest trying her without that also ???
Anyway towards the end of the year .. things were not looking good for my Mum and within the family we began talking of funeral arrangements. Also started thinking of getting my sister and brother up here to with us because time was looking short for Mum .. she was in bed all the time (comode next to bed .. and extreme breathlessness) i felt that if i were to raise concerns regarding medication would be met with a full stop! The questions that were in my mind and i could not settle and they certainly were going nowhere i felt they needed some careful thought!
- Mum's condition worsening .. are the meds helping?
- Med's in question are for the break down of mucous .. perhaps they were doing that .. but the mucous is getting infected because she is not diposing of it
- Is this medication stopping CI's .. NO
- Stopping exaserabations ....NO
- Stopping breathlessness .... NO
I thought well what is the point in administering medication to help when it clearly is not helping! I took into consideration that before my mum began on this medication she had NO exacerbations, CI's once maybe 2 times per year .. breahlessness was certainly not to the extreme that it was in December! and that since being on any of the meds/inhalers mum's condition has deteriorated rapidly to the near point of death!
We decided that in December enough was enough and we were to take her off the meds completely, only to give inhalers when required! (without consulting the GP) Despite what the gp has said in our most recent discussion I think it is strongly debatable whthr he would have agreed to do be a part of withdrawing the meds??
My mum's progress so far .. I have seen an increasing improvement in my my Mum's condition :-
She has not had an exacerbation since December ..She may or May not of had CI she possibly has! I suspect as much as she has to date had 2x urinary tract infection.. treatment :- trimethoprim. I'm not saying that she will never have another chest infection, she has copd she is prone to infection.. If the medications given are not to stop the very thing that was flooring her "for want of better words" then why ? continue to medicate her?? SHe has no breahless episodes, can go up and down the stairs with ease, without desperately gasping for breath!! Don't get me wrong she will never be running up the stairs but she no longer needs to stop halfway up to get her breath back! she can go up, go to the toilet come back down and sit down and drink her tea..the the bare minimum of breathlessness .. put it this way I get more out of breath walking up a steep hill!!
I truly believe that the medication had a huge negative influence on my Mum's lung function .. it would be very interesting to see an xray of mums lungs now!
Having taken mum off the meds it would appear there have been vast amount of improvement.
I then started thinking of the legal side of things ie .. because i hadn;t told the gp could I be accused of neglect in some way for not consulting the gp before taking such steps? I sought advice from solicitor because i became quite concerned about me position in this situation .. the solicitor advised that I am in no danger because my Mum's condition has improved! He recommended I write a letter of complaint to the Gp revealing the steps had taken re her medicationn and requesting a discussion ! The Gp was more than happy and in all fairness was somewhat supportive in the area of neglect he made it perfectly clear that noone could ever accuse me of not having my Mum;s best interests at heart and anyone who accused me of such would be criticising me unfairly so.
He has a greed that Mum's condition has improved but is adament it is not withdrawel of meds .. we have agreed to differ on that. To me it's obvious but for some reason I feel he is on a bound to stick up for his profession! As am I to stick up for what I have seen so far ! As i said earlier we discussed the Aminophyllin and i expressed my views on that. He impressed that he would have weened her off of the medication rather than just stop it (fair point) but what's done is done! i can't go back now.. We are in agreement that putting mum back on medication wouldn't be the best move and we are going to continue with the way things are and seee how things go! he also said that i should expect a decline in my Mum within the next couple of months.. that comment just vexxed me to be honest ! taking into consideration the past year she was expected to last no more than a couple of months.. in a pretty much vegetative state! and now her quality of life has improved by 50% if not more i felt that was a bit rich !! I mean yes maybe she will decline but it's a lot less probable than it was looking in December.. so to be honest I think that it was an unfair statement to make x I mean he can't know that for sure .. so how can he make such a suggestion? ... It has rubbed me up the wrong way and i feel it was ignorant considering it was supposed to be a discussion not a lecture on his part ! .. Oh and by the way the conversation was pretty much dominated by the Gp .. and i had to butt in while he was talking to say what i had to say! He said I raised some fair points "when" he listened but i ask myself did he truly hear me or was he just making the right noises?!.. i got to say he is a nice guy and does have my mum's best interests at heart .. but that doesn't mean he's always right... as in any way of life!
hahahah I just want to add on a lighter note that I said to the gp I'm hoping you might have learnt from what i have done .. his reply was yeah i've learned that you don't have enough faith in us! it just made me laugh that's all
i really would like some recommendations for alternative therapies for my Mum's condition/s
Anything atall would be most appreciated ...ie something to aid in the breakdown of mucus.. perhaps herbal remedy, or aromatherapy! Basically anything that will help with my mum's lungs

I've heard that Cayenne pepper is potentially good for improving circulation .. which i guess would help with the Dementia aspect of things.
i really hope i will get some positive feedback from this post ...look foreward to recieving any comments
thanks

Think,
I know you're not looking for a pat on the back, but you should be commended for taking on such a massive responsibility.
There are many things which aggravate COPD that can be addressed in order to give the sufferer more relief. Unfortunately, the thread I'd like to direct you to is unavailable at the moment as the website has been suspended & should be back up within a couple of days lol
Anyway, the thread contains a wonderful account of how a friend went about getting his breathing problems under control via allergy awareness to eliminate mucus.

I'll post a link to it as soon as it becomes available again.. it has alot of great pointers.

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Here's the thread on Larry's (aka Go2Cal) journey to lessen the effects of COPD.
https://www.proactivehealthnet.com/he...near#post13292

It makes it easier to read if you click on the 'Display Mode' drop down menu (on the right, upper corner) and select 'Linear Mode'.

Good post: I liked your comment on grapes and citrus being the best mucus cleaners.

Hi, is it possible to have the whole link? Each time I click on it, it goes on to an adverstising page. Thank you.

Think, welcome.
I believe you have done the right thing, I am amazed at the amount of medication your poor mum was on, no wonder she as so ill poor dear.
Some friends of mine on another site have lung diseases, and virtually live on antibiotics and other medications, and they never get well.
Have you tried your mum on neblised manuka honey factor 15+, or coloidal silver?
Postural drainage is also very good, to help bring up the gunk, if you haven't already tried it.
I hope your mum improves daily.
Hugs for being a caring daughter/ son

I just found this from Dr Jonathan Wright

https://tahomaclinicblog.com/iodide/

If you have chronic bronchitis and or emphysema (“COPD”, “COLD”) SSKI is an invaluable tool. SSKI “gets into” all body secretions, including often thick and hard to cough up bronchial secretions, which get infected very easily. SSKI takes care of both of these problems. It “loosens” secretions remarkably, making them much easier to “clear”, and it prevents micro-organisms from growing easily. With regular SSKI use, bronchial infection is a much less frequent happening. Depending on the severity of COPD, I recommend 3 to 6 drops of SSKI taken in water once daily. As COPD is usually a chronic condition, SSKI use will usually be indefinite, so make sure to monitor your thyroid function! (See the August 2002 Nutrition & Healing for a more complete discussion of natural COPD treatment.)