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I have battled infections all my life, I am now 50, don't know if these are different infections...or the same one.

My parents and the medical doctors removed my tonsils after a bout with tonsillits as a child, and I basically catch a couple of colds each year, a few years ago I started learning about stuff like colodial silver and such and quit going to the doctor for my ongoing supply of antibiotics, anyway a couple of years ago I went from feeling basically well most days (I was 45 yrs. old and felt like a 30 yr. old) and having pretty good energy to a ill feeling most days, energy real low and I now feel the cold, and get cold, so I think my body temp. dropped a little, I have been fighting a respiratory infection for a while, and to be honest, I kinda feel it's the same infection I have had for 30 years, it gets handled by my immune system when it can handle it and lately not so well, but a couple of months ago I started slow on MMS and by the time I got to about 8-9 drops x2 daily, I started feeling better, energy mostly came back, temp went up, no more cold feeling but the stomach was feeling sick and the thought of MMS would almost make me sick, and have started feeling a little ill again, infection seems to be back...went to my family doctor to see what he said and he thought I might need to be on antibotics for a extended period...I would prefer not to, so either try to go back on MMS of maybe do the nutra silver bottle dose for awhile...any opinions or second thoughts would be appreciated.
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Lots of people have chronic infection like this. Why not do the nutra silver if the mms makes you feel ill. I would also look into a product called Transfer Factor and make a commitment to do it for at least 3 months. There are other products called Beta Glucans that are not as expensive that do it for some people and are similar to Transfer Factor. Do a search on these and see what you think.
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Thanks Arrow
I take beta glucans not every day but maybe I should, I am one of those people that when I feel ok I don't think about taking stuff!
How long can you take the nutra silver, it has the dose on the bottle of like 20 drops 3x daily but no length of time.
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In my opinion you can take it for a very long time. Why don't you try for 3 months and see how you feel. I know people who have taken silver products every day for years, although it was not nutrasilver.
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Thanks Arrow...

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Have you thought to try a broad-spectrum high-quality mega antioxidant and multi mineral along with Vitamin C and a grapeseed extract? It may help to build up your immune system.

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That sounds good to try, I take some vitamin c, so do you have any suggestions for specific products?
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Thanks Arrow...

BTW where did you get the avatar?...if you don't mind me asking.
Don't remember exactly. Just do a search on Avatars and you will find many sites that offer them free.
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Do you know about Usana Health Sciences? The products are called the Essentials, Poly C and Proflavonal 90. They can be purchased via a distributor like me.
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Does the eye have a message behind it...or did you just like it?
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I have battled infections all my life, I am now 50, don't know if these are different infections...or the same one.
...any opinions or second thoughts would be appreciated.
I have not been visiting this site for very long cyber-junkie but one of the things I've noticed is that when people ask for help there's a whole history that's left out. By that I mean one doesn't know if you've begun at the gut with possible cleansings, addition of probriotics, digestive enzymes, etc. Neither does one know of what your diet consists, or what toxins you might be exposed to.
One of the things I have learned is that there are four main culprits one has to be aware of: mental and emotional stress, physical trauma, environmental toxins, and poor nutrition. If the immune system is going to be built all of these things have to be considered. Since I don't know you I don't know what steps you have taken.
Having said that let me suggest that a person's tonsils are part of their immune system, so you've had that removed. Another thing that I noticed is that you said you became suseptible to cold frequently. I'm assuming that you probably got loaded with antihistimines and other medicines to reduce the effects of the cold. If so, (and I could be wrong about that) what you did is what most people do with the cold, they try to defeat the body's mechanisms for ridding itself of the cold. So, every time you take an antihistimine or something like it, you have just prolonged it and made the body more suseptible to it. It is much better to help the body rid itself of that which is antagonizing it so that it can be REALLY restored to health.
NOW, having said that, let me recommend Una de Gato (Cat's Claw) along with Oregon Grape and Silver Shield (Nature's Sunshine). The Cat's Claw gets deep down and acts like an antibiotic. Work on those intestines!
Get the stuff out of there and rebuild. May God bless in your quest for health.
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Thanks for the help!

To address your questions, I do Not take antihistimines! and I tend to get 2-4 "colds" a year, and probably half (1-2) I would see a MD and get antibiotics for the sore throat.

My "gut" has given me problems for years, I ate lots of tums, a couple of years ago I learned about Barley Grass and "green" drinks and now seldom ever take tums, I would say my digestion is good (plenty of acid) my elimination is good (1 a day) both could be better and I have just begun taking a plant type of digestive enzyme with my meals.

My diet is fair, I don't eat of lot of junk, but to much,...one of my many problems!

I have a "green" drink or two daily, I take some vitamin C and minerals and lately D-3 daily, and sometimes some eligic acid, aloe and immune enhancers like Beta Glucans and IPC inositol I think it is.

I think the amount of antibiotics over the years and half-assed diet has weakened my immune system, and I am exposed to chemicals through my job (I work part of the time at chemical plants)...and there seems to be plenty in our food!

I try to listen to my body for what it wants, and the main thing is "thirsty" strange for I am not dehydrated, or at least not by checking out my skin, I drink a lot of RO water w/trace minerals added, and a fair amount of juice (mostly fresh with natures water still there, not reconstituted).

I hope based on this maybe you can be a little more specific....and thanks for the help!
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How many 'live' fruits and veggies do you eat daily?
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I have battled infections all my life, I am now 50, don't know if these are different infections...or the same one.

My parents and the medical doctors removed my tonsils after a bout with tonsillits as a child, and I basically catch a couple of colds each year, a few years ago I started learning about stuff like colodial silver and such and quit going to the doctor for my ongoing supply of antibiotics, anyway a couple of years ago I went from feeling basically well most days (I was 45 yrs. old and felt like a 30 yr. old) and having pretty good energy to a ill feeling most days, energy real low and I now feel the cold, and get cold, so I think my body temp. dropped a little, I have been fighting a respiratory infection for a while, and to be honest, I kinda feel it's the same infection I have had for 30 years, it gets handled by my immune system when it can handle it and lately not so well, but a couple of months ago I started slow on MMS and by the time I got to about 8-9 drops x2 daily, I started feeling better, energy mostly came back, temp went up, no more cold feeling but the stomach was feeling sick and the thought of MMS would almost make me sick, and have started feeling a little ill again, infection seems to be back...went to my family doctor to see what he said and he thought I might need to be on antibotics for a extended period...I would prefer not to, so either try to go back on MMS of maybe do the nutra silver bottle dose for awhile...any opinions or second thoughts would be appreciated.
You need to stay off the antibiotics. Instead, take a good probiotic. Also make sure your hydroxy 25 (vitamin D) is optimal. A simple blood test can verify this. D3 level is crucial to good health. Vitamin D turns on about 2000 genes, some of which create peptides, that kill bacteria, viruses, etc., and act like a natural antibiotic, but without the side effects.

Also, make sure your iodine level is optimal. Again this is crucial, since iodine also kills bacteria, viruses, and any pathogens in the blood. I would also suggest magnesium (from citrate) as well as lots of vitamin C throughout the day in divided doses.

I think MMS is a good product, however, I would not use it long term since there are no long term studies done. That means taking it for a week or two a couple times per year, just to kill parasites, mainly yeast.

Also, there is no point in taking beta glucan unless it is microlized. If its too big, it can't get into the cells.

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cyber-junkie, it sounds to me like you're trying to find the right path and I hope you find it.
First of all, all those Tums you used, because they are a limestone product with no Vitamin D, magnesium, phosphorus,etc. are a bad choice of anti-acid. Because they are calcium carbonate without Vitamin D, recent studies suggest they actually deplete the body's stores of Vitamin D. I am glad to see you are now taking vitamin D but keep in mind, depending on how long you used the Tums, your immune system has taken a hit!
Another thing you might want to be aware of is that after the age of 30 hydrochloric acid, which helps with the digestion of protein, diminishes. Therefore a lot of what people think of as an over acid stomach is really an under acid stomach. I'd definately lay off the Tums!
The Cat's Claw that I suggested earlier can help if you decide to lay off the antibiotics. Those anti-biotics (anti=against; bio=life) may help kill off the bacteria for awhile but keep in mind that bacteria can mutate just as virus' can mutate and eventually they will adapt. Because most of us who study natural health believe that your health, or the lack thereof, begins in the gut, we are constantly reminding people that those antibiotics have probably killed off your intestinal defenses so taking a really good probriotic is essential. Along with that, good quality digestive enzymes will ensure that everything else you're taking will find its way into your system and not simply drafted out. I would find out what it is that you are not digesting well and take the appropriate enzymes for that.
Since you work in an enviroment where you are, no doubt, exposed to environmental toxins it leaves you with a couple of choices. Your most obvious choice is to take yourself out of that situation, however, in these woeful economic days that may not be possible. So, the second choice is to begin with a good detox. I'm sure there are plenty out there but Enviro-detox from NSP would be a great place to start. The colloidial silver you spoke of should be helpful as well.
I guess what I'm saying is this, you have started taking some proper measures but what you have done in the past has delayed your recovery. So still with the natural means and realize that it may take some time to get back to feeling well again. After all, you've been what, thirty years, trying.
Stop eating sugar or any sugar substitues if possible unless they are natural. Stop eating white flour or anything made with white flower. Stop eating all processed foods. Anything in a package is a clue. Eat natural foods as much as possible and stay away from anything that says "enriched". It's like using a plastic shovel instead of a metal one!
One more thing, you mentioned "thirst". You might want to test your blood sugar. I hope this is helpful. May God bless you in your pursuit of health.
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