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Gene, just wanted to let you know that years ago when I had an ulcer, I used pure aloe. I had aloe plants and I cut off part of a leaf, then, I split it open and ate the insides. It tasted horrible but that was the most soothing and cooling medicine for an ulcer I ever experienced.

I now try and keep my diet a little on the alkaline side so I no longer have problems with an acidic stomach.

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NCCAM - well I don't think much of them. They are controlled by the pharmaceutical interests and when the sh.t hits the fan and they start taking stuff away from us it is NCCM that will control the alternative side of things. Their opinions are slanted and they are not working in YOUR best interest. Its like the Alternative FDA. Do not trust them and take what they say with a grain of salt... a huge grain of salt. Such is MHO.
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NCCAM - well I don't think much of them. They are controlled by the pharmaceutical interests and when the sh.t hits the fan and they start taking stuff away from us it is NCCM that will control the alternative side of things. Their opinions are slanted and they are not working in YOUR best interest. Its like the Alternative FDA. Do not trust them and take what they say with a grain of salt... a huge grain of salt. Such is MHO.
Amen to that...

So, any suggestions as far as how many tablets/wafers I should take? Also, can they all be taken at the same time (and as recommended, on a full stomach)?

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Gene, just wanted to let you know that years ago when I had an ulcer, I used pure aloe. I had aloe plants and I cut off part of a leaf, then, I split it open and ate the insides. It tasted horrible but that was the most soothing and cooling medicine for an ulcer I ever experienced.

I now try and keep my diet a little on the alkaline side so I no longer have problems with an acidic stomach.

Good luck. You are on the road to better health!

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Thanks for the info. Did a little research and it also boosts the immune system. You can also get Aloe gelcaps if you want to avoid the horrible taste.

And thanks for the wishes, I'll be starting the "treatment" next breakfast (in about 10 hours). Hopefully, someone could guide me as far as dosage goes (see above post), I assume I'll need "megadoses" for a while to quickly get the immune system in better condition.

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If you can tolerate the vitamin C buffered take at least 2 per day, am. pm.

One B should do it and one B12 a day..

There is a lot to learn about vitamin C and everyone should know how to take it to bowel tolerance...but for you, not till that ulcer is healed.

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Hi, how are you?

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If you can tolerate the vitamin C buffered take at least 2 per day, am. pm.

Sounds good to me, I had the first one a couple of hours ago and haven't felt any GI discomfort yet.

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One B should do it and one B12 a day..
Had the B-Complex (time release) and the B-12 sublingual but only 1000mcg, should I take more being that 5000mcg was recommended? Think I could go half-way, such as 3000mcg to get a better boost?

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There is a lot to learn about vitamin C and everyone should know how to take it to bowel tolerance...but for you, not till that ulcer is healed.
Thanks for the link, bookmarked it. As far as my gut goes, it's much better and I think I might be able to get off the Nexium in a few days (hopefully).

Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.
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Hi, how are you all?

Just wanted to touch base, ask a few questions and get a little more advice.

I'm on the fourth day of taking:
3 X B-12 sublingual, 1000mcg (3000mcg/day)
1 X B-100, time release capsules (8 hours)
2 X Ester-C, 600mg Calcium Abscorbate buffered with 80mg Calcium (1200mg/day)
1 X Multi Vitamin with minerals

For the first 3 days, I didn't feel any different (too soon to tell but the C didn't irritate my gut) except for a big grin on my face when urinating, kinda strange to see pastel yellow urine (like "glow-in-the dark" effect).

Mind you, my throat was still a little sore and my sinuses were still acting up (post-nasal drip).

But last night when going to bed, I could feel my throat and sinuses getting a little worse and this morning, it felt like they were coming back with a vengeance and also felt a little nauseous (nausea probably caused by anxiety and stress, explanation further down).

So, I'm wondering about the following:
1- Are the vitamins kicking in and helping my immune system fight whatever infection/fungus/microbe and this would be a "normal" effect?
2- Is this another onset of the flu, being that my immune system isn't strong enough to fight it yet?
3- Should I increase my B12 and C vitamins intake?

As mentioned, my gut is feeling better, infrequent light heartburn only (when nervous) and when that subsides, I'll stop taking the Nexium for better absorption. Also, I eat 4 - 5 fruits daily (mostly apples, no citrus (gut)), natural fibers (whole wheat bread and crackers) and a good daily intake of cooked spinach (high in Magnesium, Potassium, Iron and other vitamins) and other vegetables. I stay away from sugar, white flour, MSG, alcohol (don't drink anyways), etc..

The anxiety and stress bit: On May 29th, one of our 2 cats severed about 1 1/2 inch of his tail while sneaking out our condo door when my girlfriend came in. As he was exiting, the door slammed on his tail thus amputating the tip and we rushed him to the vet. Being that it was late afternoon, they stabilized him and performed surgery to amputate another caudal vertebrae so there would be enough skin to cover the tip. Needless to say, the experience was nerve-wracking and we now have to keep an eye on him so he doesn't try to bite the stitches off, even though he's wearing a protective cone around his neck, like all cats, he's quite flexible...

This event, on top of being depressed, cause more anxiety so I have to "balance things out" by taking more Clonazepam (an additional 1/4 to 1/2 mg.).

Something else I would like to discuss once more, should I add Probiotics to my vitamin intake in a few days? I've been reading all kinds of info and can't logically see why I shouldn't.

Mind you, here are excerpts I read on the side effects and my 2 cents worth about such:

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There are at least nine case reports of severe, invasive (internal) fungal infections developing in people treated with the yeast organism Saccharomyces boulardii. All of these people were debilitated or had impaired immune function prior to receiving Saccharomyces boulardii.8 9 No such adverse reactions have been reported with other probiotic supplements or in people with normal immune systems.
The brand of Multi Probiotics I have doesn't contain the above.

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Acidophilus and bifidobacteria may manufacture B vitamins, including niacin, folic acid, biotin, and vitamin B6.
These are what mine contain, I assume they could only help?

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Probiotics' side effects, if they occur, tend to be mild and digestive (such as gas or bloating).
When taking them, I did feel bloated and had a couple of bouts with diarrhea, which isn't mentioned as a side-effect anywhere I searched. Either the product was "kicking in", intolerance to it or simply overdid it (took the maximum suggested dosage). Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Gene
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Gene,

The vitamins you have selected are a great start.....

But...

This is only the start on a long trail to better health. You will not see results overnight and it may take some time to figure out what specifically will work for you. I do hope you are looking into some of what Sally has recommended for reading.

If you indeed do have a fungus issue you will have to enter combat more aggressively.

Do not fret. The learning curve takes some time.

I can not say if your current cold is due to fungus or not and diagnosing these things is not easy and is most often done through trial and error over a period of time.

Beta Glucans are by far and away one of the best autoimmune system booster there is to build resistence to general viral and bacterial problems. I highly recommend them. Do a search on Transfer Factor.
Its kinda spendy but there are alternatives by Solaray and NOW products. I know folks who use NOW Beta glucans and they never get colds anymore, before, always. It was a big problem for them. shop at www.iherb.com

Allimax is also and excellent garlic product - no odor worry either. I eat raw pickled garlic daily, about 3 to 6 cloves. I haven't been sick with viral or bacterial stuff in so long I can't even remember when.

You probably need to do a general cleanse/detox.

You may want to view this page to start learning:
https://www.healthsalon.org/385/the-liver-flush/

I highly recommend the Marth's Vineyard program of detox, It is excellent for those who have to keep on the go and still want to detox.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?...pounds&x=0&y=0

You can get it used for about $12 and it really is an excellent guide.

Ultimately, the best detox products I know of are MMS, Allimed, Sodium Bentonite, and large portions of organic veggies, eaten consistently several times a day for many many months.
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Beta-Glucans are found in Oats and Barley, and to some extent in Wheat and Rye. In what amounts and how that relates to B-G benefit, I do not know, but not least for the other benefits like Iron and B-Vit fortification, Whole-grain would be if not already, a very beneficial weapon in your dietry arsenal, in my humble opnion.
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Whole grains is ok but leave out wheat, rye and corn. Go to whole grain brown rice, basmati, quinoa, amaranth, oats. Wheat and rye can perpetuate fungus.
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The vitamins you have selected are a great start.....

Thanks, at least I'm doing something right...

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LOL! I knew there'd be more to it.

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This is only the start on a long trail to better health. You will not see results overnight and it may take some time to figure out what specifically will work for you. I do hope you are looking into some of what Sally has recommended for reading.
I was expecting that but was also wondering if the way I felt today could have been related to the vitamins starting to kick in (positive thinking ). As far as the recommended reading goes, darn right, I really am looking for a solution.

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Do not fret. The learning curve takes some time.
Sure does, especially that I'm a Newbie at this.

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Beta Glucans are by far and away one of the best autoimmune system booster there is to build resistence to general viral and bacterial problems. I highly recommend them. Do a search on Transfer Factor.
Its kinda spendy but there are alternatives by Solaray and NOW products. I know folks who use NOW Beta glucans and they never get colds anymore, before, always. It was a big problem for them. shop at www.iherb.com
Thanks, I searched for a Canadian distributor (or a company that would ship to Canada) and found that Solaray and Now Foods Beta Glucans can be bought locally. I could get Transfer Factor but I would have to buy bulk (wholesale) and the cost is quite high.

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Allimax is also and excellent garlic product - no odor worry either. I eat raw pickled garlic daily, about 3 to 6 cloves. I haven't been sick with viral or bacterial stuff in so long I can't even remember when.
I also believe in garlic but my gut isn't ready for it.


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You probably need to do a general cleanse/detox.

You may want to view this page to start learning:
https://www.healthsalon.org/385/the-liver-flush/

I highly recommend the Marth's Vineyard program of detox, It is excellent for those who have to keep on the go and still want to detox.
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?...pounds&x=0&y=0

You can get it used for about $12 and it really is an excellent guide.
Most likely and thanks for the links. This is something I have to be careful about and learn how to do this properly, the last time I tried a Detox treatment, I ended-up sitting on the bowl about 10 times/day with violent diarrhea.

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Ultimately, the best detox products I know of are MMS, Allimed, Sodium Bentonite, and large portions of organic veggies, eaten consistently several times a day for many many months.
Thanks, I think I will give MMS a try as soon as I'm off the Nexium. BTW, can MMS be taken at the same time as the vitamins and Beta Glucans (which I would try one at the time)?

Cheers and thanks again,
Gene

BTW, funny, tried finding a Probiotics only discussion forum and so far, no luck. I kinda feel like starting one up.
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Whole grains is ok but leave out wheat, rye and corn. Go to whole grain brown rice, basmati, quinoa, amaranth, oats. Wheat and rye can perpetuate fungus.
Cripes, switched to whole wheat bread a week ago to get extra fibre... Think I should go back to white (but then again, enriched white flour is one of the perfect food for fungus)?


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Well, you are doing better with whole wheat in general over white. Be sure to keep it in the refrigerator.

ps, I didn't edit your post, Just clicked the wrong button...again.

If you do MMS I recommend that you take it first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Take your vitamins directly in between time wise.
I would think of the MMS as a temporary protocol. During this process leave out the vitamin c and beta glucans. MMS is not a real easy protocol to do.You definitely do not want to take anything that might deactivate it for the month or two that you are doing it.

I am amazed that you can find MMS in a store where you live. I have not seen it marketed in any stores.

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Well, you are doing better with whole wheat in general over white. Be sure to keep it in the refrigerator.
OK, but why in the fridge (out of curiosity)?

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ps, I didn't edit your post, Just clicked the wrong button...again.
LOL, too quick on the mouse buttons, are you....

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If you do MMS I recommend that you take it first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Take your vitamins directly in between time wise.
I would think of the MMS as a temporary protocol. During this process leave out the vitamin c and beta glucans. MMS is not a real easy protocol to do.You definitely do not want to take anything that might deactivate it for the month or two that you are doing it.


I think I'll start off with the Beta Glucans and work my way up to MMS.

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I am amazed that you can find MMS in a store where you live. I have not seen it marketed in any stores.
My mistake, thought I saw it at the store I usually go to but what I saw was another product, MMC or something similar. Mind you, I saw a link to Canadian distributor based out of Calgary on one of HealthSalon's thread.

Thanks again,
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Refridgerating foods can slow down and possibly interfere with, or stop any Bacterial proliferation on foods

That might be the reason for Arrowes comment.
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