Xanthelasmata increases heart attack risk by 48% says study

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These are formed from cholesterol so may be a sign of high cholesterol.
Improving blood flow with fish oil and garlic may help blood circulation.

L arginine seems to solve xanthoma in mice
Thorne Research, Perfusia-SR, L-Arginine, is a slow release form sold for improving blood flow and lowering blood pressure.
If you decide to give this a trial take LYSINE (Now Foods, L-Lysine Powder, 1 lb ) at the same time. Most of us will have had contact with some form of herpes (cold sore) in the past and herpes reactivates when the balance of arginine is higher than lysine so if you just use arginine you could get a rash or cold sore if you don't take lysine with the arginine.

I use Nature's Answer, Liquid Omega-3, Deep Sea Fish Oil EPA/DHA, as it provides 1,150 mg of omega 3's in each teaspoon equivalent to about 4 standard fish oil capsules.

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From the lit I read, those with Herpes, Shingles etc.. should avoid foods in Lysine, as well as the sun. The latter causes oxidative stress, too. What are your thoughts on this?

Surely the opposite is the case.
Lysine counterbalance the pro herpes effect of arginine and vitamin D like melatonin is a natural anti oxidant.
Of course excessive sunburn causes inflammation and that will release iron which will cause oxidation. But no one reading this forum is stupid enough to get sunburnt. Part of the trouble with excessive sun exposure is the UVA processes on newly made vitamin D3 into suprasterols the body doesn't use. So short sessions in the sun/tanning bed when the UVB concentration is highest so you get maximum UVB (VITAMIN D FORMATION) and a lower percentage of UVA. (Vitamin D degrading). Trouble with urban life is the UVA is reflected from hard surfaces and tends to be amplified while the UVB is prevented from reaching the ground by low level ozone/atmospheric pollution. If you live in the country things are a bit better.

I'd be tempted to massage vitamin D directly from the capsule into the skin if I had a cold sore or shingles. If anyone had tried this please report back here.

If you apply topical mms to a cold sore or herpes it is history in just a day or two. Apply 3 times a day. Keep it on for 3 to 5 minutes then rise it off.

Lysine helps prevent outbreaks and for some people it will stop an outbreak dead in its tracks. 5 to 6 grams is generally needed per day

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Interesting...

Shingle sufferers are advised against eating foods high in Lysine, and to avoid sun, not sun burnt. My own experience, and that of others, both with Shingles and high level of ROS, is that some of us can't even tolerate 15 mins of gentle morning sun... I started researching on this, and found a paper explaining exactly the physiological effects of sun (not sunburnt) effects on some. https://health.msn.com/health-topics/...d-sun-exposure I can't find the research paper at this time, but will post when I find.

AS for Vit D3, each time I take this, it brings on an attack of shingles and increases my allergies. Again, I researched and found published scientific papers regarding this. This is an earlier hypo, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2794851/
but there are more recent ones showing clear evidence of a correlation:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...tool=pmcentrez
I will post more recent papers on this when I find them.

I will find the paper about the sun making some very ill due to a high level of reactive oxygen species (ROS), and the radiation for the sun, no matter how minimal will increase oxidative stress.

I was told by someone that each time certain types of foods or drank beer, they had joint pains. He did not suffer from gout, but suffered from a severe reaction to a fluoroquinolone antibiotic. I did too... Upon further readings, I found out that some people, more so amongst floxies (fluoroquinolones victim) community, suffer various sensitivies, sometimes, unexplainable by a forever evolving science, in this case, it was associated with the purine compound found in beer and some foods.

I am allergic to salt post the adverse reactions to prescribed antibiotics, another med and vaccines. I found out that this was quite common, even though the scientific community does not understand it. Likewise, some are allergic to their own gastric juices, or saliva or other.

In a nutshell, we are very complex. Science is lacking, is limited and reductionist in its approach. Biochemistry is very complicated, and extraneous variables such as ethnicity, weight, gender, diet, body temperature, etc.. and complex cellular network, makes reactions to the environment, xenobiotics etc.. unpredictable.

Throughout being ill since the adverse reactions to prescribed medications, I met many who suffer from various symptoms, and illnesses, for which there are only theories, which allopathic medicine has no cure. IMHO, Western medicine is far too dogmatic in its approach, with vested interests from Big Pharma, hindering advances in true science.

Recently, there has been a petition on line by ethical scientists, asking the public to sign the petition asking governmental health officials and Big Pharma to allow for true science without interference.

There are often contradictory theories, sometimes, can be found within a few weeks apart.

Likewise, medical students from Harvard University and more recently in Australia went on strike in protest of vested interests from Big Pharma. They complained that they want to learn true science, to heal and cure disease without the influence of skewed research from Big Pharma.

Although I attach very little importance to medical research and theories, they can be useful at times.

Lastly, noted is a rise in environmental illnesses suppressed by International Health Institutions and national health institutions because of vested interests. I am more interested in listening to patients and their symptoms, even if we don't understand, rather than rely solely on theories.

More ethical doctors recognize that overall, most illnesses are caused by toxicities and nutritional deficiencies, few are taking note...

Indeed, I met many who cured of incurable diseases, using other approaches other than the allopathic model. Few know that antibiotics are immune suppresants and are known to reactivate infectious pathogens, notably, HHV-6, CMV, and EBV (mono) or can cause hyperinsulemia, diabetes, sudden cardiac deaths etc.. sometimes, two years later, or more. Toxicities are in fact much higher than reported because of delayed onset, and most don't make a correlation.

I read times and times again, that so called miracle drugs some years later have a strong association with onset of diseases and in some cases, death. For instance, anti arrythmic drugs, and Tamoxifen, the wonder cancer drug. The list goes on an on.

I can honestly say, that since taking responsibility for my own health, literally saved my life on more than on occasions.

Anyone suggesting that those with herpes avoid Lysine clearly doesn't understand the relationship between L'arginine and Lysine and the fact that herpes thrives & reactivates in L Arginine rich situations.

But common sense should be sufficient to work out that the human race would not have survived living near naked outdoor lives if sunshine what bad for us.
That demonstrates only that YOU have become maladapted to your natural environment.
YOU need to change your diet/lifestyle to regain the ability to enjoy laying naked in the midday sun as humans evolved to. That is why the human body rewards sunbathing with the release of endorphins. (which is why people may get addicted to tanning)

Just goes to show you mustn't get ill and you must learn how to control your illness when you do. Staying out of the sun and remaining lysine deficient will only make matter worse.
YOU need to be aware that Alzheimer's Disease: A Pathogenetic Autoimmune Disorder Caused by Herpes Simplex Therefore you need to be in control of the herpes and not let the herpes control you and your immune function.

Well if you want then do be aware I will post more links to the papers showing the benefits of Vitamin D3. I have a hard drive full of Vitamin D resources and while it's always interesting and amusing to read contrary points of view anyone who still remains unconvinced about the fact that humans evolved living mainly outdoor lives and naturally attains and maintains a 25(OH)D VITAMIN D equilibrium around 60ng/ml still has a lot to learn.

What do you fail to understand about the concept that Vitamin D and MELATONIN are both antioxidants?

If the sun is making you ill than it's your skin and your body that is the problem. The sun has been there longer throughout human evolution. If you are unable to be exposed to NATURAL SUNLIGHT then YOU have a problem YOU have to address and hiding from the sun is NOT the answer. YOU need to harden your skin over the winter with regular short UVB exposures so next year you skin is more tolerant. You need to raise your skin's NATURAL photoprotection. Start now and by next year your skin will have toughened up and be better able to cope with the environment it evolved to thrive in.

If you are satisfied with your current quality of health/life knowing you cannot even go outside and get the sun on your back then you still have a long way to go and a lot to learn and also need to improve your information sources and your ability to examine them critically.

You are missing the point entirely here. Sad...

My post speaks for itself.

Indeed some people will never learn and only have themselves to blame for their inability to thrive in their natural environment. It's your choice. You have to put up with the consequences.

I see..

There is no point in responding to out of context selective quotes, from my post.

But in response to your most recent post, Its was not a choice. I was seriously damaged by two prescribed meds and vaccines - 14 years ago leading to toxicities. This caused damage to the mitochondria, ion channels, cardiac, liver, kidneys, metabolism, autonomic nervous system, neurological and so forth. Its well documented, and there is plenty of science out there concerning this type of adverse reaction to prescribed meds, causing long term damage. IN particular, to various metabolic pathwys, kreb cycle, methylation, and other cellular activities, of which we know little.

I never implied that the sun was bad for humans. I wrote that some people, such as myself can't tolerate the sun. According to published scientific articles, there is such a high level of ROS, and various other mechanisms involving acetyls, and liver pathways etc... that SOME can't sit in the sun for more than a few minutes.

Likewise, those who suffer from shingles, are advised to follow their own common sense, and their own individual reactions on how much exposure to the sun. Some as I myself, can't tolerate sitting in the sun, it brings on shingles and other symptoms. SIMPLE.

I provided some papers as leads and there is plenty more out there for those who wish to pursue.

Its very clear that unless there is an understanding of cellular activities and biochemical reactions, its pointless to discuss.

There is no absolute truth in science. There is a general consensus which changes. There is also plenty of contradiction, concerning diseases, whatever the label.

There are trillions of cells in the body. One cell performs huge quantities of biochemical and electrictal pulses involving electromagnetic fields within a nanosecond.

It would thus be arrogant of me to try and justify symptoms which are little understood. In any case, I did provide some supportive evidence, to little avail it seems.

As to being reactive to the environment, this is not a rarity either, nor is the "fault" or the "choice" of sufferers, rather tragic...

The person who is missing the point here is the one who thinks the mitochondrial damage cannot be repaired and who doesn't understand Mitochondrial energetics and theraputics sufficiently to improve their mitochondrial function with mitochondrial biogenesis.

The human body is set to renew itself and will, if properly fed/nurtured. The idea that you cannot restore your ability to withstand your natural environment is I repeat your belief.
I do not accept there is nothing you can do to ameliorate that situation.
In the same way those with mitochondrial dysfunction do have options available to improve their current situation.

This is a NATURAL MEDICINE forum and there is nothing UNNATURAL in trying to improve your NATURAL level of the NATURAL antioxidants VITAMIN D and MELATONIN.
Without regular bright sunlight exposure it's impossible for your body to produce those necessary NATURAL antioxidants.
Without melatonin you cannot protect your mitochondria.
You can improve your natural level of photoprotection, in the same way you can improve your immune function and raise your pain sensitivity threshold.
But only if you are prepared to listen to the evidence.
It seems to me you are not listening and not making any effort to understand.
It really is the fault of the sufferer if knowing there is a safe, evidence based alternative they choose to remain ill.

Perhaps some substance is being consumed which causes sun sensitivity, such as St. John's Wort.

Indeed but we have to adopt common sense priorities.
Being able to go outside is important for a reasonable quality of life.
If someone took to using a wheelchair because they thought they were unable to walk, and hadn't exhausted all possible avenues to improve their mobility should we feel sorry for them?
Is the point of this forum to support those who choose to be ill and life the lives of invalids or it it to help people make sensible natural choices to live healthier active lives?
Depression is a condition of inflammation in the brain. St John's Wort is a natural anti inflammatory agent, as is vitamin D and melatonin which as I've pointed out before require regular bright light exposure. Now it it's a choice between maintaining NATURAL Vitamin D and Melatonin levels or using St John's wort which should take priority.

Which is the most likely a vitamin D , melatonin or St John's Wort deficiency? You choose.
Did we evolve with a natural daily requirement for Vitamin d, Melatonin or St John's Wort?

Your posts verges on bullying and are unpleasant.

You have consistently and selectively quoted on out of context words and phrases. I have more important things to do than to redress, other than the next few "QUOTES."

You have no idea what damage there is, or even how long since being able I have the strength to sit, stand up and walk a little. You have no idea how much I am trying, and continue... nor do I have a clue as to my training and background.

AS a side note, no matter how much one knows and how much one tries, or what model, there is no assurance that it will work for everybody. Meanwhile, being an optimist, I continue to "Seek"...

Examples below:

I didn't mention at any times, mitochondrial dysfunction can't be reversed.

As for understanding mitochondrial damage, I have very good understanding. But hey, its that simple... Great, I have been seeking for the last three years, since being able to sit down, able to read, and search. Its fun, you know, because, reading or typing whilst letters are jumping up and down, blurred lines, etc.. I guess, its only a matter time before I reverse multi systemic damage.

Cool, the next time I get hives, swollen mucous membranes, and choke when smelling car fumes, solvents, or when sitting in the sun, it will be my choice. I will also tell my next door neighbor whose liver is failing not to worry, she can regenerate her liver, its that easy and simple.


I never wrote that there is nothing I can do to help myself.

I never wrote its un-natural to improve Vit D3 and never even mentioned melatonin.

What I wrote is the SOME have problems metabolizing Vit D3, and that there is an association with D3 and the sun triggering shingles, and/or exacerbate allergies. There is scientific evidence of this. I also wrote that there is evidence that SOME can't tolerate the radiation emitted by thesun, because if there is a high level of ROS, it can increase it manifesting in unpleasant symptoms.

This whole para shows how little you understand biochemistry, and the complexities of a finely tuned interconnected network.

I pat myself on the back, as do those who know me, for my optimism, and persistence for healing.

As for so called "alternatives" most are based on the same allopathic model!!

There are other models which offers a true alternative paradigm, not based on allopathic model.

This stops here for me.

Your comments are embarrassing , offensive and personalized, rather than on the subject matter, whereby lies my interest.

The debate should about the science of what I wrote, however controversial.


We should be able to discuss why some suffer an exacerbation of allergies when taking D3, or why some suffer reactivation of shingles, triggered by sun exposure. And not on what I didn't write..

Yawn yawn..

Perhaps you should make a greater effort to back up your claims with scientific references that are credible and worthy of further discussion.

Indeed some people are exceedingly tiresome especially those who think people with herpes should avoid lysine but provide no credible evidence to support such nonsensical ideas.

We all have problems and have to do our best to mitigate the damage that has been caused. Understanding the science that underlies the way our body operates is fundamental to making sensible choices.

You may think you know more than the authors of the Mitochondrial Energetics paper I linked to earlier but I doubt it.