prostatitis

kind2creatures

\r\n \r\n Hi Jeff, welcome to the forum. I don\'t know if you\'ve read these already, but here are some older threads on prostatitis, maybe there\'s some ideas for you.
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\nhttps://www.natmedtalk.com/mens-healt...didymitis.html
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\nhttps://www.natmedtalk.com/mens-healt...e-answers.html
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\nhttps://www.natmedtalk.com/mens-healt...ostatitis.html
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\nhttps://www.natmedtalk.com/mens-healt...back-nooo.html\r\n

kamerongroup

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jofus

\r\n \r\n If no infection has been found, I would not take the anit-biotics. I am saying this from experience. Make sure you have a prostate fluid collection and have it cultured for both bacteria and fungal infection.
\nAlso here is a link that may help, it describes a reason why sometimes anti-biotics or anti-fungals are not successful, and also describes a treatment that may help.
\nhttps://www.prostatitis.org/doityourself.html\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n thanks guys, i am really glad i recieved your replies. i havent had any bacteria ever found just white blood cell counts out of wack.
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\ni have had a lot of off and on pus during and after urinating. clear white prostate secretions to be exact. i have cold to touch scrotum and penis, very sad. pain in the testes the whole penis, the perineum area between the anus and scrotum. tightening of the penis and testes cold small and painful. i have been nauseous and flu like feverish. although not sick now. i have had pain in the prostate from the abdomen. so time contipation. i also think i suffered from hair loss because of it. not stressing but the body may be. i have libido issues and the lack of feeling of any joy.
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\none reason i felt it may be fungis is that i feel severe after 8 weeks of cipro. i started when i had zero symptoms after the last abs for what they thought was an std. i kept thinking it was a hot tub that gave me an infection wbc but there were never any germs found. the uro (jerk) told me early last year that my current girlfriend had given me something. i have been repeatedly treated without the proper facts and tests. so very sad. now my life is a living hell.
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\nmy body is telling me it is an infection but i am lost. i have lost 40lbs in a short period of time.
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\ni would love for you to share with me what you had jofus so i may compare. i met 1 person online that has prostatitis and i feel that ours are very different. maybe ours are similar.
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\nthanks again for your time guys. hate to be corny but what a great site full of great people. i posted q\'s on a prostatitis forum and everybody is nice but 99% seem pissed off. it is a very sad thing. i am greatful that someone cares and wants to hear. i cant believe the early involvement. thanks again guys.\r\n

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thanks again for your time guys. hate to be corny but what a great site full of great people. i posted q\'s on a prostatitis forum and everybody is nice but 99% seem pissed off. it is a very sad thing. i am greatful that someone cares and wants to hear. i cant believe the early involvement. thanks again guys.

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Not corny at all, appreciate your comment. That\'s one of the main reasons I joined the forum here, and stuck around for so long. Happy you\'re here with us, one more great and caring person to share experiences and info with. \r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n As for what I have, I am not sure yet. I was originally diagnosed with epididymitis caused by chlymidia or gonhrrea and treated accordinly. Test revealed that was not the cause, and of course the anti-biotics that I was given did not work (tetracyclin and then Cipro). My doctor has since told me that he believes it well go away on his own so I am in the process of going to another doctor and getting an appointment with a specialist. I have been experimenting in the mean time with alternative treatments, including DMSO, MMS, and Colloidal silver, all with varying degrees of improvement. Right now I am sitting tight until I see the specialist. I want to narrow down what is causing the problem and then try and treat accordingy.
\nI have also change my diet quite a bit and added some supplements. Trying to get my body in prime condition for fighting what ever it is and rebuilding.\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n so have you tested positive for a bacteria? or just a high white blood cell count? you are right about the fight! i dont know if what i have is a virus, microbial or a fungus. i am treating bacteria now and hoping for the best.
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\ni am taking large quantities of allicin 12 a day in hopes of that reaching into the prostate and killing what may be lying in there hiding. i have a great deal of prostate secretions but no positive results for bacteria. something is most definitely wrong though.
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\nyour right diet is very important at this stage for us. i am down almost 40 lbs in a few months. i cant afford to lose anymore but i guess after cipro my intestines are slow working and i have no appetite. i eat fruit and veg with some meats or fish. i loved breads pastas but my body seems to not respond well every since i got sick.
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\nthere seem to be some great people on this site who care. its amazing. they should be doctors because once an md gets his degree it seems they become business men and lose focus on healing people. if they cared a bit we would all be diagnosed better and treated on time.
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\ngood luck jofus\r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n As of right now I have not tested postive for anything, but I have only had a urine test for STDs. This week I have been have symptoms of Prostatis, frequency urinating and decreased flow. I have also had pains in the pelvic region that vary in intensity and location. My urine has been darker, foamy and has more of a stink to it. I have only been drinking water lately and now cranberry juice in case its a bladder infection from what ever is bugging me. I started adding Grapefruit seed extract to my cranberry juice.\r\n

moxsum

\r\n \r\n Honestly, this may not wanna be what you want to hear... but I think time heals this problem.. now, im not suggesting you do nothing, do whatever you can to make it better but I think over time it will get better naturally.. thats been my experience.
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\nI was given antibiotics .. but I will never take them again unless my life depends on it.. they are just not necessary. Even if you did have an infection you could treat it naturally.. but you probably dont.. your prostate can become inflamed from stress, bad foods, and tension in the pelvic floor.
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\nI suggest you go see a pelvic floor therapist and have them assess your pelvic floor muslces, i\'d be willing to bet they are tense and full of trigger points which cause inflamation which spreads to the prostate, the prostate has muscles in it too.. May also be diet/stress related.. or all 3 like I think it was for me.
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\nDid you ejaculate a lot? For me, I used to be sort of sex obcessed and used to ejaculate way too often.. I think this can also cause a problem over time.
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\nI suggest you stop eating caffeine (coffee, chocolate, energy drinks), spicy food (salsa, chillies, pepper) alcohol and any recreational drugs, cut back on dairy, no processed foods, no candy/lots of sugar, cut back on simple carbs.
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\nThen make sure you are sleeping well every night.. 8 good hours of sleep. Drink lots of good quality water.. maybe pick up yoga or meditation etc. De-stress yourself, go get a massage regularly.
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\nCut back on ejaculating.. once a week at most for a while.
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\nPractice deep abdominal breathing, try and breathe into your pelvic floor.. feel your pelvis/anus drop down when you inhale. Stop straining on the toilet.. consciously check into your pelvic floor through out the day and relax it.. dont hold tension down there.. see if your squeezing your butt when stressed etc.
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\nNow that your digestive system has been screwed by cipro/antibiotics like mine was, you need to heal that right away.. take probitiocs, etc. figure that situation out.
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\nTry not to sit for extended periods of time, get up and move around every 20 minutes.. practice lighlty stretching your legs/hips daily, but dont overdo it.
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\nGet sunlight, fresh air, go for hikes, go for a walk every now and then.
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\nOkay /rant.. basically just get as healthy as you can in every way.. thats what ive been trying to do.. I think these prostate issues are just a wake up call, a call to action, its your body telling you that you need to take better care of it. listen!\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n great great post! i am not 100% on everything but am seriously thinking that way for my particular situation.
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\nyou should never rule out an infection. god knows the havoc that could do untreated.
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\ni think masterbation is now unnatural and the prostate doesnt get a massage before release from the hips or pelvic bones rubbing so that creates an over use issue. i agree with recreational drugs because they mess with the neurological system.
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\ni have had this all come to me since friday. i know its early but i have had some luck with large doses of "magnesium" i was offered it as a substitute for a herb that is no longer available in canada called kava kava. so basically these things relax the muscles of the body. also letting go of any external stresses asap. yes if this is truly not an infection time will help heal but quercetin while help relieve the pain for either issue.
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\nanyway great post by moxsum and i wish everybody recovery or remission! i was close to suicidal. i never thought this would end. it is the worst thing mind or body and steals your soul. i spent 2 and a half months in agony the first 3 weeks in bed dying. if you have prostate issues ( i was asystematic twice before and antibiotics suppressed it, maybe due to anti inflammatory reasons or not) stay off bicycling or horseback riding or motorcycles! do not unless there is a prostate specific seat.
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I wiil beat this

\r\n \r\n Hello all
\nI HAVE HAD THIS CONDITION FOR AROUND SEVEN YRS. MY SYMPTOMS ARE HARD TIME PASSING URINE AND CONSTANT URGE TO URINE leakage after I urinate I do get an erection just not as hard as it should be and as of late I have been cumming really quick I mean five minutes or less yesterday my n*ts where hurting for the 1st time I SOMETIMES HAVE BURING IN MY PELVIS AREA BUT MOSTLY JUST DISCOMFORT NOT QUIT PAIN. I HAVE USED SAW PALMETTO AND HELPS WITH PASSING URINE BUT MAKES ME BLOATED AND HAS MY STOMACH BUBBLY MAKES STRANGE NOISE AND WHAT NOT. I THINK IT BOTHERS MY LIBIDO/ERECTION OR COULD BE WHEN MY STOMACH IS NOT FEELING GOOD I DONT FEEL LIKE SEX.
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\nI ALSO TRIED SIVER WATER DID NOTHING FOR ME MAYBE I GOT THE WRONG KIND BUT THE KIND I GOT IS SUPPOSE TO BE IONIC COLLIDLE SIVER WATER 10PPM.( SIVER WORKS) I THINK I WILL TRY ANOTHER BRAND.
\nHAS ANYONE HEAR TRIED PROSTATE MIRACLE WAS THINKING OF TRYING I have never done prostate massage as I am uncomfortable with the thought of putting my hand or anything else in my a** let alone letting my wife do this. what do you all think of saw palmetto and can I get better with out prostate massage.
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\nI have had my urine tested and fonud nothing. my UR did a prostate massage but nuthing came out after he done the massage for about one maybe two mins he was done and had me give some urine they found nothing
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\nI have been dealing with this condition since 2003 at first I just ignored it and just keep living but just this summer I made the decision to try and beat it bad mistake every since I made that decision its all I can think about its been almost seven months now and it as bout drove me crazy I cant get it out my mind. My biggest fear is its gonna get worse as I get older the thing that bothers me most is my symtoms never goes away it dont go away and come back its always there I have not had a symptom free day in yrs. Ist I was told my prostate was mildly enlarged then I was told it was not really enlarged but soggy or soft not sure what term was used
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\nI work out five days a week most weeks been doing that for almost 4yrs .weights runnig swimming I was over weight when I was was 1st told by my doc that I have this condition you think that may have played a roll in this.
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\nI think this all came from I had surgery for a broken jaw and they put a catheder (might not be spelled right) in me that was the 1st time I ever had a problem pissing\r\n

moxsum

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\n So they put a cather into your bladder? Yea that could have caused it, I heard of that before.
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\nYou need to go see a pelvic floor therapist. Its possible your pelvic floor is out of wack, and you may have scar tissue from where they placed the catheter. Youve had this problem too long, and I believe it can be cured.
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\nPersonally I would stop taking saw palmetto.. I took it for a while, but I believe it can cause problems .. it can lower DHT.. do some weird things down there, personally I dont think its needed for prostatitis, maybe for BPH.
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\nExercise is good, but you want to be careful your not overdoing it and straining your pelvic floor even more... if your weight lifting, try not to hold your breath and squeeze your butt all the time, might be doing more harm then good.. running as well.. Maybe take up yoga instead.
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\nHows your diet? You need to cut out all irritating foods.. like caffiene, chocoloate, spicy food (salsa, peppers, pepper, etc.) , alcohol and recreational drugs, ciggarettes etc. none of that stuff. You may also consider reducing dairy intake.
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\nYou want to eat a anti-inflammatory diet in general.. drink lots of fresh/clean/filtered water.. get out in the sun, get fresh air regularly. Make sure your sleeping well every night. Try and reduce stress in your life as much as possible, even stress about this problem, do meditation, see a psychologist if you have to.
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\nCut way back on ejaculating.. once a week at most. Maybe even go on breaks where you dont ejaculate for 2 weeks at a time.
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\nPractice deep abdominal breathing.. feel your breath expand your pelvic floor. Avoid straining on the toilet.. keep relaxed while pooing/peeing.
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\nHows your digestive system? You need to really figure out the optimal diet for yourself. Losing weight is good too.. sometimes if your overweight, the pressure sits on top of your bladder/prostate and can cause problems.
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\nI was also told my prostate was "Boggy" .. like soft/inflamed.. and im doing much much better now, a year and a half after first encountering these problems.
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\nIve been seeing a pelvic floor therapist, and apparently my pelvic floor is very tense. This is the core of the problem imo.
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\nIts a combination of pelvic floor tension, inflammation from diet/stress/digestive problems, and possibly some minor hormonal/chemical imbalances.
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\nIt can be cured 100%.. but its not so much a cure and then you go back to your old lifestyle. To cure this, you must adopt a completely new lifestyle.. a healthy one, where you take care of your body/mind.
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\nNone the less I tihnk the catheter played a role in your problem. Either by causing inflamation or scar tissue.. AND/OR causing you to void incorrectly thus leading to pelvic floor tension/imbalance.
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\nGood luck my friend. I know what your going through

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helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n i was told by my URO today it might be stemming from a food allergy like gluten it is a disease. i am off to see that doctor soon and my URO wanted a second opinion. we all are perhaps different. however magnesium has changed my life. day 5 pain free. i will keep updating. yes diet and stress free with a positive attitude. moxsum is bang on. natural sex less but have the sex but dont pressure yourself it will lead to stress. look into tailbone massage. hips and pelvis might be out of line. the muscles are weird.\r\n

moxsum

\r\n \r\n interesting.. thats good your URO talked about food allergy, seems like he\'s more aware of other possibilities, although he\'s the same dude who gave you tons of antibiotics right? not very smart lol..
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\nI believe there is a diet connection as well.. its odd though, it seems like there are multiple factors that make it worse.. its diet, stress, daily habits.. each one can cause prostatitis, and often its all 3 that lead to it...
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\nFor me though, when I first started having problems, I noticed when I drank wine/beer, it would cause cloudy urine within a day afterward.. so clearly thats a dietary thing right there.. I used to drink all the itme with no problem, then suddenly it causes irritation in my prostate?? why? Good news is, a year later, ive been drinking a bit lately and it causes no symptoms anymore..
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\nStress / Food allergies / Digestive problems = inflammation
\ninflammation = symptoms = stress = symptoms = muscle tension = more digestive problems, etc.. its a cycle.
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\nI went off gluten a few months ago although I occasionally slip up.. I also went off cows dairy products.. although once again, im not overly strict about it.. I also try not to eat lots of simple carbs like white pasta, white rice, french fries..
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\nIn general im doing wayyy better.. it started for me a year and a half ago.. I had urgency, frequency, twinges of pain in my pelvis/anus, weak stream, really weak ejaculation, no libido, weak erections..
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\nToday, I have pretty good erections, decent libido, improved stream, no frequency, minor urgency from time to time (mostly psychological), good ejaculation, rarely any pain.. But ive still got a lot of room for improvement.. and I will not stop on my quest until I have 0 symptoms ever.
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\nSo things can/will get better guys!!
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\nI still occasionally have little muscular spasms in my pelvic floor, sometimes I notice my pelvic muscles get irritated by too much masturbation and/or stress/tension and this increases my symptoms.
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\nI also have lots of digestive problems which I am working to correct. I also could have some more improvement sexually... but things are still good now.\r\n

puresong

\r\n \r\n have you guys tried yoga,
\nI did heated yoga when i was goin through that junk
\nit was kind of soothing and helped with will power to get better.
\nthe prostate gets very little blood circulation so you might want to get that as good as you can.
\nyoga or some other kind of exercise can help with that
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\nin my experience the hardest thing about prostatitis was the depression, so make sure to take care of yourselves.

\nkale seems to help to, oh yea
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\nstart adding turmeric to your recipe, it helps the circulation and is a natural anti-inflammatory.
\nthere are some promising studies on bioflavinoids (not sure i spelled that right) so its worth a try.

\nI wasted a lot of money on crappy prostate medication/vitamins. I learned to heal myself eventually. Getting in the best shape of my life helped alot.\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n so the uro wanted to pass me to another uro to A get another opinion and B most likely out of his office. he now knows he made a blunder of mistakes. i am thinking the cipro for 8 weeks did something bad to my digestive system. i cannot eat and carbs bloat me in a bad way. i may have to deal with like yourself a alcohol free wheat gluten free diet and hope for more results. suggesting that there may be a linc again allowed him to say lets get you another type of specialist to again get rid of me.
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\nhe wouldnt admit that cipro may have messed with my digestion system relsulting massive weight loss and the desire to eat once a day. he also backed up the idea that bicycle riding is a good idea. what is he nuts? we cant sit on an average chair for 10 minutes.
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\ni am getting results from natural medicine that is mind blowing. i have been instructed by my new naturopath to drink cayenne pepper (tsp) 3 times a day mixed in water. again magnesium and chamomile pills and tea. i believe cayenne works well. i know we are instructed not to eat spicy foods but for me there is no issue and i feel better right away. the magnesium is more responsive though. i have minimal to no prostate secreation which i was plagued by. as i stated guys i was severe and over night pain free for the first time in 12 weeks. i am enjoying looking at woman smiling for no reason and having general joy that the male prostate brings to our soul and body.
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\ni still notice i have a problem but i think my body is now able to start the healing process.
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\nnow some questions for all with prostatitis (please everybody answer to gage and understand what may be happening)
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\n1 does anybody have rapid hair loss and if so thoughts why
\n2 i seemed to be ance free when i suffered and in severe state, now i have noticed some acne coming back which i am happy about as i think it is hormonal. so anybody concur?
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\nthis does affect us hormonaly for some reason i am guessing by libido loss. i know that i have heard it may not for all but for moxsum and i it did.
\ni was thinking maybe we produce more dht when with prostatitis or our immune system shuts down do to working on other things or the stress on the body (not mental) can do this.
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\nkeesearching and we will get what we need guys as moxsum said there are many reasons why and perhaps a multitude of reasons.\r\n

moxsum

\r\n \r\n Hey man.. yea that urologist sounds like bad news to me.. be careful, my uro caused me a lot of issues. They dont know what they are doing.
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\nDHT may be the culprit in your hair loss.. DHT causes hair loss! It also effects the prostate.. so it may be part of your issue.. however I caution against using anti-DHT substances like saw palmetto, finastride etc.. these things can cause way worse problems.. better not to mess with your hormones directly..
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\nYour hair loss maybe also caused by deficiencies of vitamins/nutrients.. possibly from your digestive issues/weight loss.
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\nThe cayenne seems a bit odd to me, but if you feel its not causing you problems and only helping then go for it.
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\nDitch that urologist now. Go all natural, stop taking antibiotics.\r\n

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\nThe cayenne seems a bit odd to me, but if you feel its not causing you problems and only helping then go for it.
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They\'ve all forgotten how to diagnose anymore. It is "one size fits all" with them. I\'m experiencing that with my new ENT. I\'m trying to find out if my sinus problems are structural. She has been given me 2 different nasal sprays, which have not worked but very expensive. I just got irradiated (CT scan). At least she is trying. But I know I\'m not like any of her other clients. The same was true when visiting an ND. They aren\'t taught to diagnose. Just follow the book.
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\nCayenne has wonderful releaving powers. One study showed that cayenne heals stomach ulcers by sending a camera down after the people took cayenne. Then again when the people took aspirin. The aspirin hurt the stomach lining. The cayenne healed the ulcers.
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\nDHEA will definitely cause rapid hair loss. I have experience with this. It grew back in time though. Saw palmetto actually helps me. It even fills out my eyebrows. Check to see if you are taking anything that affects your hormones.\r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n I wiil beat this, your symptoms seem very similar to mine right now. I really think this may be fungus related. I am getting blood, urine and ultra sound tests done, and waiting for the results.\r\n

I wiil beat this

\r\n \r\n I think no. I know when I go back to the doc I\'m going to ask to be tested for yeast and any fongus my wife has a reacuring poblem BV I wonder if this can be related.
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\n Yo Moxum what do you think of Beta-Sitosterol as far as saw palmetto it is kinda of a catch 22 for me helps me pass urine but makes my stomach feel strange\r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n Well maybe yours and mine are different. I had no positive effect while taking the two different Anti-biotics I was prescribed, but I did have what seemed like a die off reaction and some improvement of symptoms when I took the Lamisil.
\n I don\'t have symptoms of prostatis such as pain when sitting, or in the perianum area. My bowel movents seem ok, maybe a little different from my diet change. When my dr. checked my prostate yesterday he said it felt fine, and there was no pain when he applied pressure to it.
\n I am noticing darker, smellier, and foamy urine, along with my feeling to urinate almost constently. Symptoms I have also noticed are lower back pain, and abdominal pain, and also leg pain. This makes me suspect a kindey/bladder infection or disfunction of some kind. I am leaning more towards infection, as my epididymitis was inflamed and my testicles were redder and heaver than normal, and I believe infection may have traveled from one place to the other.
\n I am having blood tests and urine tests done, as well as ultra sound on my abdomin, kideny and testicles. Once those all come back, hopefully I well have a better idea what is going on, and I will keep you guys posted.\r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n Unfortunately there is alot of stuff connected down there and we all may share symptoms and have completely seperate causes. It is nice to have other people to share ideas and talk with about it though.\r\n

I wiil beat this

\r\n \r\n I have no pain when sitting no rectum pain no painin perianum area I dont have a problem sleeping once Im sleep it sleeps I do get up early like six/seven and have to go. Just major discomfort in pelvis and hard time passing urine no leg pain but I do have lower back pain almost all the time had my blood check for kindney nothing there. my bowel moves ok atleast two most mornings I say only ok because I am unable to go again most days even if the feeling is there It is rare that I have one at night. I am going to see a pelvic floor therapist 4 show. Lamsil is this a BPH drug I took one of those had me tired all the time and straight killed my libido and my erection
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\nso moxum you think I should stop use of mary jane I have slowed down alot have yet to see a diffrence in symptoms.\r\n

moxsum

\r\n \r\n Hey.. your cases seem different to me.. as does mine.. same symptoms doesnt neccesarily mean same cause.
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\nI will beat this.. you said your wife has had recurring yeast problems? That could be the cause right there.. men can get yeast infections from sex.. especially if your body is not healthy to begin with.. but it could be a number of other things too.
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\nJofus, your case sounds different too... maybe you have a kidney infection or something ? If your prostate felt fine and you have no pain down there.. maybe a UTI or something? The dark foamy pee is a clue.. although I had foamy urine for a few months recently, freaked out.. but my doctor checked my kidney levels and they were "fine" .. but this is a western doc so who knows. Good thing is, the foamy pee has stopped now so.. must be better whatever was causing that. Can also be caused by too much protein/dehydration..
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\nLamisil is an anti-fungal I believe.. not a BPH med.
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\nSo you smoke pot Iwillbeatthis? I did too for a loooong time, but stopped a few months ago. A few people told me it could make the condition worse.. my pelvic floor therapist said that years of heavy pot smoking will eventually mess with your nervous system/damage the myelin sheath of nerves.. I believe it.. pot is fun.. but you dont need it in your life.. but thats your call

At least cut back a bit.
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\nBeta-Sisterol is probably fine.. dunno much about it, dont use it myself. I dont take any prostate herbs any more and i feel fine.. Some of them are better for BPH, but i think if the prostates just inflamed, better to get to the root of the problem then take herbs to mask the symptoms in a way.. fix diet, lifestyle, any infections etc.\r\n

I wiil beat this · 10:51 PM

\r\n \r\n I have an appointment to see a pelvic floor therapist this monday I hope they can help!!! anything if they can tell anything that will get me on the road to rocovery If they say my muscles are out of sync that will work. prostate miracle claims over time it will shrink the prostate back to its og size
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\nI did some reserch on lamisil sounds dangerous!!!
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\nVirgin coconut oil is that suppose to be anti fungul how about olive leaf oil extract can I take both of these or just one
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\nMaybe if I could figure out what in my diet is the cause of the problem I dont eat beef or pork just lots of turkey and chicken and some fish. I try and stay clear of fried foods but do slip up time to time I do eat pasta but not that much i try to eat atleast one salad a day.... fruit everyday just about I may be eating way to much bread mostly whole weat\r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n Lamisil is a anti-fungal, and it is dangerous.\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n i gave up dope too as i think if this is not an infection then it maybe not good for my body. at any rate if is a negative and to heal we need to only include the positives right now.
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\ni had my first bad day thursday. i tried beer and pizza wednesday night carbs and wine thursday and didnt feel great thursday night.
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\ni am curious why nobody has tried magnesium yet. it has changed my symptoms and life. not saying its a cure but worth a try. its 10$ a bottle. if it works for some of you it would be great to know. large doses cant hurt you and wont interfear with anything.\r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n I have introduced magnesium supplements into my diet as well as selium, vit D3, zinc. I also drank about a liter of pure organic cranberry juice a day for about 5 days. I was taking 15 drops 3 times a day of grapefruit seed extract. I also ingested and applied topically DMSO, MMS, and silver water. I also changed my diet a bit, eating more whole real foods, veggies and fruits, I started eating more organics and having kefir everyday. I also introduced a probiotic. My symptoms seem to slowly be getting better, but I can\'t say it is just from the magnesium.\r\n

moxsum

\r\n \r\n helpmyprostate..
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\nI donno why you tempt fate and purposely eat foods you know are bad for you.. then wonder why you feel bad?
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\nIf you want to get better, stop alcohol, pasta, beer, pizza all that crap, start giving your body what its crying out for, real wholesome organic foods!!\r\n

I wiil beat this

\r\n \r\n I don\'t want to let this break me!!! so what is my fun just suppose to be over?? I now have to live the quiet life??...NO!! I refuse to let this change me..I want to be myself. I have not really been smoking herb I aint really been drinking ( not a real big drinker anyways maybe two or three drinks on fri-sat )for almost two months and it bothers me I dont feel like me this sh*t is on my mind most all the time I wish I could just go back to ignoring it like I have been doing for the last seven yrs. On top of that I wonder should I even be stressing it so hard is it all for not as I read these diffrent sites I hear men saying they have had this 15 20 12 years.... can I beat this??... the doctors are clueless what makes me think I can do this on my own. To be trueful I\'m a tad bit scared that I will have this for life and if so will it get worse..I have not seen not even one person on this site say that they had it and now they don\'t
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\n I do have a friend who had it did one month on cipro and its gone came back year or two later cipro and again its gone..cipro did nothing for me except maybe make it worse doxy was just as bad
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\n I dont know what to cut out my diet sh*t my diet is already limited!!!!
\nI dont drink much so its hard for me to think thats whats keeping me ill I\'ve had this long before I started working out so thats not it. After my B-DAY next month I\'m going to stop smoking for thirty days and see will that make a diffrence I doubt it but it worth a try. I love working out so Im NOT going to stop... besides I look great so its working. I was over weight and out of shape for atleast seven yrs I will not go back to that...........I guess it is what it is!!\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n agreed moxsum. i was partly curious if i would get worse thinking i may have food allergies or intolerence and that being the answer i was looking for and on the other wanting some sort of normalsy that i have been missing. so many people have no issues with diet. if that is my issue it came on fast and hard so i am doubting it.
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\nwhy? i hope we all find our answers. i was sure then unsure if massage makes a difference but now i seem to get more blood flow and hanging of the testes after a massage.
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\ni am still taking allicin 12 a day. almost finished sulfa trim (abx) sad it doeasnt look like its curing. bio k very expensive probiotics. zinc. selenium. pau d\'arco. pumpkin seeds raw. magnesium. oxicocet. herbal tonic with gold seal etc...
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\ni have had some relief as you guys know i was in bad shape. i am active now and have less chronic fatigue.
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\ni still have some secreations. pain in the prostate. bladder and stomach aches and nausea. my testes seem at times if i dont ejaculate daily. they seem heavier and swollen. jofus that is a few similarities we share. those too make me think there maybe an infection. the large doses of magnesium seem to relieve pain and relax the tensity of the aches and intensity of the muscels along with the humbling massage.
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\nthe gluten test starts this week and my nd says for a month. it has been 85% already but here it goes again.
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\nwould love to hear someone out there in all the forums - sites that has been through this and is cured or it is way under control.
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\ngood luck guys. i am glad there is a group (of us) trying to help each other and trying to make a difference. it is the only way we can get an edge up. good work.\r\n

jfh

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i am still taking allicin 12 a day. almost finished sulfa trim (abx) sad it doeasnt look like its curing. bio k very expensive probiotics. zinc. selenium. pau d\'arco. pumpkin seeds raw. magnesium. oxicocet. herbal tonic with gold seal etc...

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Good for you on the pau d\'arco. That should help considerably.
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\r\n \r\n Cat\'s claw (Uncaria tomentosa or Una do Gato) is a medicinal herb from the Amazon River basin that is widely used for inflammatory disorders. Cat\'s claw contains gluco indole alkaloids. This herb is promoted as having anti-cancer, anti-inflammatory, and for arthritis. In the traditional Peruvian medicine, hot aqueous extracts have been used for the treatment of a wide range of health problems, particularly digestive complaints and arthritis. What does the research say?
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\nPotential benefit of cat\'s claw herb and research studies
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\nAnti-inflammatory benefit
\nCat\'s claw is a remarkably potent inhibitor of TNFalpha production. The primary mechanism for cat\'s claw anti-inflammatory actions appears to be immunomodulation via suppression of TNFalpha synthesis. TNF stands for tumor necrosis factor.
\n Cat\'s claw inhibits TNFalpha production and scavenges free radicals: role in cytoprotection.
\nFree Radic Biol Med. 2000 Jul 1;29(1):71-8.
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\nAntioxidant
\nCat\'s claw is an effective antioxidant.
\n Antioxidant properties of proanthocyanidins of Uncaria tomentosa bark decoction: a mechanism for anti-inflammatory activity.
\nPhytochemistry. 2005 Jan;66(1):89-98.
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\nDecoctions prepared from the bark of Uncaria tomentosa are widely used in the traditional Peruvian medicine for the treatment of several diseases, in particular as a potent anti-inflammatory agent. Therefore, the main purpose of this study was to determine if the well-known anti-inflammatory activity of cat\'s claw decoction was related with its reactivity with the oxidant species generated in the inflammatory process and to establish a relationship between such antioxidant ability and its phenolic composition. We observed that the cat\'s claw decoction prepared according to the traditional Peruvian medicine presented a potent radical scavenger activity, as suggested by its high capacity to reduce the free radical diphenylpicrylhydrazyl, and by its reaction with superoxide anion, peroxyl and hydroxyl radicals as well as with the oxidant species, hydrogen peroxide and hypochlorous acid. The phenolic profile shows the presence of proanthocyanidins (oligomeric procyanidins) and phenolic acids, mainly caffeic acid.
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\n Antitumor
\nCat\'s claw extracts exert a direct anti-proliferative activity on MCF7 (a breast cancer cell line).
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\n Arthritis
\nThis plant is an effective treatment for osteoarthritis and probably rheumatoid arthritis (see bottom of page). The species, U guianensis and U tomentosa are equiactive. They are effective antioxidants, but their anti-inflammatory properties may result from their ability to inhibit TNFalpha and to a lesser extent PGE2 production.
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\n Cancer prevention
\n An extract of Uncaria tomentosa inhibiting cell division and NF-kappa B activity without inducing cell death.
\n Int Immunopharmacol. 2003 Dec;3(13-14):1889-900.
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\nPrevious reports have demonstrated that extracts of the plant Uncaria tomentosa inhibit tumor cell proliferation and inflammatory responses. We have confirmed that cat\'s claw C-Med 100, a hot water extract of this plant, inhibits tumor cell proliferation albeit with variable efficiency. We extend these findings by showing that this extract also inhibits proliferation of normal mouse T and B lymphocytes and that the inhibition is not caused by toxicity or by induction of apoptosis. We provide direct evidence that cat\'s claw C-Med 100 inhibits nuclear factor kappa B (NF-kappa B) activity and propose that this at least partially causes the inhibition of proliferation.
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\nDNA repair
\nHuman volunteers who took cat\'s claw herb for 8 weeks had improved DNA repair.
\n DNA repair enhancement of aqueous extracts of Uncaria tomentosa in a human volunteer study.
\nPhytomedicine. 2001 Jul;8(4):275-82.
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\nThe Uncaria tomentosa water extracts (cat\'s claw, C-Med-100) have been shown to enhance DNA repair, mitogenic response and leukocyte recovery after chemotherapy-induced DNA damage in vivo. In this study, the effect of cat\'s claw C-Med-100 supplement was evaluated in a human volunteer study. Twelve apparently healthy adults working in the same environment were randomly assigned into 3 groups with age and gender matched. One group was daily supplemented with a 250 mg tablet containing an aqueous extract of cat\'s claw, and another group with a 350 mg tablet, for 8 consecutive weeks. DNA repair after induction of DNA damage by a standard dose of hydrogen peroxide was measured 3 times before supplement and 3 times after the supplement for the last 3 weeks of the 8 week-supplement period. There were no drug-related toxic responses to cat\'s claw supplement when judged in terms of clinical symptoms, serum clinical chemistry, whole blood analysis and leukocyte differential counts. There was a statistically significant decrease of DNA damage and a concomitant increase of DNA repair in the supplement groups (250 and 350 mg/day) when compared with non-supplemented controls. There was also an increased tendency of PHA induced lymphocyte proliferation in the treatment groups. Taken together, this trial has confirmed the earlier results obtained in the rat model when estimating DNA repair enhancement by cat\'s claw.
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\n Immune system influence
\n In vitro effects of two extracts and two pure alkaloid preparations of Uncaria tomentosa on peripheral blood mononuclear cells.
\nPlanta Med. 2004 Mar;70(3):205-10.
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\nSome of the beneficial effects of cat\'s claw observed in patients suggest an immunomodulatory capacity. In this study, the effects of two cat\'s claw extracts and two mixtures of tetracyclic and pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids were investigated in freshly isolated human peripheral blood mononuclear cells (PBMC) stimulated with the mitogens phytohaemagglutinin (PHA) and concanavalin A (Con A) in vitro. These data demonstrate that cat\'s claw extracts and mixtures of alkaloids modulate the immunobiochemical pathways induced by interferon-gamma. The findings imply a potential application of the cat\'s claw extracts as immunoregulators and would be in line with observations in patients using these extracts.
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\n Memory
\nCat\'s claw herb total alkaloids exert a beneficial effect on memory impairment induced by the dysfunction of cholinergic systems in the brain and that the effect of the total alkaloids is partly attributed to the oxindole alkaloids tested.
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\nRheumatoid arthritis
\nRandomized double blind trial of an extract from the pentacyclic alkaloid-chemotype of uncaria tomentosa for the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis.
\nJ Rheumatol. 2002 Apr;29(4):678-81.
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\n To evaluate safety and clinical efficacy of a plant extract from the pentacyclic chemotype of Uncaria tomentosa (cat\'s claw) in patients with active rheumatoid arthritis. Forty patients undergoing sulfasalazine or hydroxychloroquine treatment were enrolled in a randomized 52 week study. During the first phase (24 weeks, double blind, placebo controlled), patients were treated with cats claw extract or placebo. In the second phase (28 weeks) all patients received the plant extract. Twenty-four weeks of treatment with the cats claw extract resulted in a reduction of the number of painful joints compared to placebo (by 53% vs 24%). Patients receiving the cat\'s claw extract only during the second phase experienced a reduction in the number of painful and swollen joints and the Ritchie Index compared to the values after 24 weeks of placebo. Only minor side effects were observed. This small preliminary study demonstrates relative safety and modest benefit to the tender joint count of a highly purified extract from cat\'s claw in patients with active rheumatoid arthritis taking sulfasalazine or hydroxychloroquine.
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jofus

\r\n \r\n I have started pau d\'arco tea as well as herbamite tea. Since the begining of my symptoms, my testicles have been red and hanging lower than usual.
\nHave you had a culture done of your prostate fluid, if not you should try and get one. I would ask for it to be cultured for both bacteria and fungus.
\n I am also going to be making my own silver water right away, and hopefully that helps.
\n Last night I drank for the first time since my problems started for a work function, and actually drank quite a bit. I was expecting my symptoms to be worse today, but they actually seemed better, not sure what that means if anything, but I thought I would put it out there.\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n thanks jofus. what did you drink beer? did you get a pos test for bacteria or fungus? i cant remember what your status was. i have had 1 dre test countless swabbings all the say is high white blood cell count. so still a missing puzzle piece. boners are rare and i usualy take cialis for sex not all the time. i was a very easy guy so there is something at play. libido was go for a long while.
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\ni wish there was a test these jerks did for semen cultures. that would i believe answer more questions and doubts. havent found a doc yet.
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\ncan they really test for fungus that way too??
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\nwhat about parasites? wouldnt the stuff we are doing kill those too?\r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n Yeah they can do a culture for fungus too, I read somewhere that it sometimes has to be cultured longer. I haven\'t had mine done yet, I just found a new doc, so going through the motions with him at the moment. Unfortuneatley we may have to go to a few doctors before we find one that is openminded enough to go a little outside the box. I don\'t even know if what I am going through is prostatitis, but I have quite a few simmilar symptoms. I have no problems with erections, or libido except when I first had symptoms, but I think it was mostly due to the fact I had no idea what was going on and I thought my nuts might be falling off. My ejaculate does seem smaller than normal and doesn\'t shoot out like it did before.
\n I drank mostly beer last night, and I drank enough that for the first time I forgot about my problem and actually had fun.
\nBasically everything that I am doing is trying to boost my own immune system, eat foods that have anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, and anti-viral properties, and eat foods that help the body get rid of waste, toxins, and help rebuild. I imagine all this would help with parasites. I have been using curry and garlic quite a bit. I am ordering some cayenne capsules and bilberry extract tonight. Those two things help with circulation, which can only help. I have been basically throwing everything I can at it. If there is any postive in this, its that I will not take my health for granted ever again, and my body should be in a lot better shape from here on out.\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n i hear you on all counts. there is good in this somewhere. you dont truly know good if you dont know bad. beer.. that may help. my nuts kill at times and the pecker seems sore at times. not like before. i thought the testicals was from lack of circulation but now they are loose not tight and hurting. have you had pain up by the belly botton?\r\n

jofus

\r\n \r\n not that far up, but under my belly button and down to my testies\r\n

moxsum

\r\n \r\n If you think you have fungus, you should try coconut oil.. ive been reading a lot about it the past few days.. and consuming it myself.
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\nGet some organic good quality virgin coconut oil and eat a few tablespoons a day one way or another, or just straight like me

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\nSupposedly its an antifungal, antibacterial, antiviral, antimicrobial, antiinflammatory.. its like really good for you.. eat some!\r\n

I wiil beat this

\r\n \r\n have any of herd of u acidophius with pectin\r\n

helpmyprostate

\r\n \r\n hey thanks jfh i will look into getting some cats claw. i seem to be on a roll and under the blessing these days. glad to add anything to my attack.
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\ni still have pian in the perineum prostate and feels like the bladder testicals and prostate pus or secreations. its a damn shame but the fight goes on.\r\n

helpmyprostate · � #1 � 01-12-2011, 03:07 PM

hello everybody, i am dealing with prostatitis. it feels like an infection but there hasnt been one found. i am dealing with antibiotics again but they are losing effect which must have only been on an anti inflamatory basis.

i am picking up from my natropath a herbal tonic to promote circulation in that area.

i was wondering if anybody could lend a hand an ear or a heart and help me with ways, ideas or thoughts on recovering and hopefully healing from this

peace and love
jeff

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