Don't knock kinesiology if you don't understand it. It really does work.
I believe it does work...to a degree.
Those of you who think propolis, pollen, and royal jelly are helpful to us are probably experiencing the placebo effect. That and successful marketing boards.
That's a pretty bold statement and sounds absolute, which little is.
And you base this on a sway test? People that sound positive about things sometimes get others to pre-conceive things (the placebo effect) essentially going in to something with the mind swaying one way or the other...which is not a good thing.
You can prove it to yourself. I will give you a basic course in kinesiology.
There are many ways to test but the simplest one to learn is called the sway test...
Stand comfortably hands at sides
Close your eyes
When you make a positive or congruent statement your body will sway forward after a second or two. (or several seconds)
When you make a negative or false statement your body will sway backward after a second or two. (or more)
OK thats all now on to do the test....
Say unconditional love and your body should sway forward.
Say war or hate and your body should sway backward.
Say my name is blank (your real name) and your body should sway forward.
Say my name is Hillary or other false name of your choice and your body will sway backward.
Now you know how to do it.
Ask is honey good...you will sway forward
Ask is propolis good...you will sway backward
Ask is bee pollen good .... you will sway backward
Ask is royal jelly good...you will sway backward.
Ask are bananas good...you will sway backward
The sway test is just the entry level test. There is many other ways to test but you can do a search for them.
Now stop rolling your eyes when somebody tells you a product is no good.
I don't blame the author, but when you make such a conclusive, absolute statement such as "no benefits" or "no good" you are planting seeds in the unconscious mind...again this is not good, the unconscious mind does not know reality form fiction, I have witnessed hypnosis and watched people scared to death of...nothing being there, just a memory...this part of the mind is not a compendium of knowledge.
The reason it works is that just like fish swim in water we swim in a sea of information. Your subconscious knows all this information and will impart it to you if you let it.
If someone talks of subconsciousness, I cannot tell whether he means the term topographically -- to indicate something lying in the mind beneath consciousness -- or qualitatively -- to indicate another consciousness, a subterranean one, as it were. He is probably not clear about any of it. The only trustworthy antithesis is between conscious and unconscious.
If I go into a health food store looking for a particular supplement and there are several different brands I can tell in seconds which one is the right one just by looking at them and doing my test.
Not only that if I am looking at a health food magazine and see all the ads I can tell just by looking at the ad if that product is good.
With all the marketing hype and claims of efficacy in all the hundreds of supplements and products out there you need a way to separate the wheat from the chaff.
The path I have started you on here will do that.
Let's not be so quick to discount something that may be of value, maybe not to you if you believe it has no benefit for you it probably won't, but don't go so absolute and final as to tell me these products are of no value!, I understand the power of the written and spoken word and they still get to me some, the seeds get planted.
I am not trying to be a jerk and I know you are not either, just trying to get you to see there is much going on here and just trying to benefit each other.
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I don't blame the author, but when you make such a conclusive, absolute statement such as "no benefits" or "no good" you are planting seeds in the unconscious mind...again this is not good, the unconscious mind does not know reality form fiction, I have witnessed hypnosis and watched people scared to death of...nothing being there, just a memory...this part of the mind is not a compendium of knowledge.
So what you are saying is I can't say a product is no good but companies and marketing boards can? I'm influencing minds but they aren't?
The sway test is for entry level beginners to test products. I don't use it myself I have progressed far beyond that. I only posted it for others to try and see for themselves whether or not it works.
I don't blame the author, but when you make such a conclusive, absolute statement such as "no benefits" or "no good" you are planting seeds in the unconscious mind...again this is not good, the unconscious mind does not know reality form fiction, I have witnessed hypnosis and watched people scared to death of...nothing being there, just a memory...this part of the mind is not a compendium of knowledge.
So what you are saying is I can't say a product is no good but companies and marketing boards can? I'm influencing minds but they aren't?
The sway test is for entry level beginners to test products. I don't use it myself I have progressed far beyond that. I only posted it for others to try and see for themselves whether or not it works.
I am not saying either is good, the planting of thought seeds is not good period!, You should be able to say or describe your take/position on something and let the person decide for themselves!, that's what I was asking for. And I appreciate you were trying to help!
I have kinesiology or muscle testing done on me right now, I have been seeing a oriental doctor and she uses it along with looking at your tounge and eyes and the various nerve junctions on the body and I tested positive for Royal Jelly today, and as she explained, maybe you don't need it so you tested negative, it is a food and natural, but to say that these products are "not good" or "have no benefit" sounds like you are positive and know for sure and it's positive statements that do get in to the unconscious mind and I had to spend several years undoing the damage done by people in my life with such positive statements/outlooks so I sometimes overact when hit with such statements...sorry if I did...I was looking for actual experience with the products and I will report over the long run when I am more sure, but I have been using the RJ and honey and I seem to be getting a "enhancement" from one or both, maybe in the unconscious I know the queen only gets RJ and she is a egg laying machine and maybe that's done something to me or maybe it is the products, I will attempt to keep myself off balance to find out. And BTW just because something has "no value" for someone, doesn't make it that way for everyone else.
hmmmm.... Perhaps this oriental doctor you saw does not know that much about muscle testing. My question is did you test yourself with the sway test?
I muscled tested you through your screen name cyber-junkie and you did not test strong at all for Royal Jelly.
I know this boils down to my opinion or hers so you should test yourself and see who is right.
What are your qualifications...are you a doctor?...she is a licensed doctor with like 20 years studying in the orient, where did you study and for how long?
We did the test with the product in contact with my body...so you think over the internet, through my screen name is more accurate than a licensed doctor doing it in person...wow!
Well let me say this about that. What are the doctors qualifications in kinesiology? Practicing 20 years in the orient does not impress me. Personally I never ever accept anything a doctor or any expert says until I can verify it myself. Keep in mind that even experts can be wrong, It's well known that doctors diagnose's are wrong 20% of the time. That means that when you go to a doctor and are diagnosed with something there is a 1 in 5 chance he/she is wrong. Most of the time doctors have no idea what is wrong and will prescribe antibiotics in the hope it will cure whatever is wrong. Antibiotics of course do far more harm than good.
I'm not saying I'm perfect and I could very well be wrong too. Thats why I asked you have you done the sway test yourself?
I'm not trying to be a smart alec here but I have to defend myself. Go back to my original post, I merely said some bee products were no good. You and some other people jumped on me because you have always believed that these bee products were good. That is narrow minded.
The reason for forums like this is to share information and ideas. That is what I did.
Again cyerjunkie I'm not trying to be smart but you would be surprised what can be accomplished long distance using energy. Again don't knock something you don't understand.
I've had years of experience on posting on forums like this and never had to defend myself before.
If anyone here reading this remembers the old HSI forum I posted there as jERRY ֿ�
Go back to my original post, I merely said some bee products were no good. You and some other people jumped on me because you have always believed that these bee products were good. That is narrow minded.
The reason for forums like this is to share information and ideas. That is what I did.
Athletic dept, let me just say that I didn't "jump on you" for saying that Royal Jelly was no good. It's wrong of you to assume that I always thought bee products were good also. I personally used it for extended periods of time, and experienced the results from it within my own body.
The difference between us, is that I share that it worked for me and two others close to me, and suggested it's use for energy. I'm not going to demand that anyone take it at all, nor do I expect them to take my word as law. I didn't agree that you could discount it's value by looking at a label or thinking about it and swaying, better than taking it internally and seeing actual personal results.
Thank you for trying to send me good energy to cure my allergies, but you asked to be informed if it worked, and I'm sorry to say it did not.
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[QUOTE=athletic dept;165379]Well let me say this about that. What are the doctors qualifications in kinesiology? Practicing 20 years in the orient does not impress me.
Like I asked already...what are your qualifications? Are you a doctor or scientist? This doctor studied Oriental medicine for like 20 years in the Orient and tell me they (she) believes in balancing and giving nutrition (food) to heal the body and I like this, far better than western medicine and Bee products are food and natural and you come out and say absolute statements like "no value" and "no benefit" can plant seeds in the mind and just like the placebo effect, it does have an impact on the mind. Please don't do this anymore, say that you use kinesiology and you test negative, I fully got that now but don't paint us all with the same brush.
And for you to think that testing me over the internet or me doing the sway test is as/more accurate than having me hold the product and being tested by a doctor of Oriental medicine...wow.
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