Great stuff. This answers so much. Have seen so much with adding nutrients but wondered why it did not work for everyone the same. When I first started learning about the products I am taking, a paper from MIT said this technology would change the world. It explained why some cells would absorb nutrients and some would not. They were missing certain sugars around the cells that would allow the nutrients to be absorbed. For a florist and illustrator, some of this is just beyond me.

I did notice when looking up the minerals in my friends water, some of them are used for all types of diseases, like asma, cholesterol, dementia and even cerberal palsery (in unborn babies) - anyway there was quite a few.

I have been racking my brain trying to figure out some of the areas with my daughter that are not quite there yet and this explains a great deal. She started on the water a couple of days ago now and we shall see. We found out today she has oral surgery on Thursday.

I not only would like to find out what nutrients drugs block but also it would be good to know about over the counter meds. Including aspirn whick everyone seems they can't live without. I just bet that stuff also robs the body of something.

By the way, thank you so much.

I wanted to add one more thing here. Do you know while looking up the water thing, most of these minerals are not available to the public. It looked like they were prescribed or just used by chemist. Some were used in industrial applications.

Years ago some of my friends said major diseases would be a thing of the past. I can now see that it is finally here.

Thanks for this. I love mushrooms but always had some deep seated fear that I would start spouting mycelium strands and spores!

So, in your opinion, is the "cure" simply taking a quality multivitamin, if deficiency is the cause of most disease?

From what I am finding out, a person not only needs vitamins but minerals too. Also, if one is taking vitamins which will not absorb in the body - you are wasting your time as well. We were never meant to live on rocks.

Also, if fungus really is the lack of minerals and some minerals are not easy available, this too would be a big one to consider.

AND, it would shock you to see how everyone has over the counter meds that are as harmful as the prescribed ones. Then the cleaning items and bathroom items. Those darn toxins are just everywhere. Better take something that detoxes regularly what should not be in the body.

and this is to address Grandmaflorist's questions also...

No. It is not as simple as that.
Only in some cases that are not extremely complex, and things can get very complex.

Although deficiency causes many diseases and likely is the root cause for most disease, it does not account for issues with pollution toxicity, heavy metals, stress, and diseases of contagen origin that the immune system may have no response mechanisms for. Some of these issues can cause deficiencies as they interfere with the metabolic pathways of minerals and vitamins... fluoride and bromide toxicity is a clear cut example on how they contribute iodine deficiency. Even though iodine may be there it has difficulty entering its normal pathway because the others are sitting in its receptor sites. This type of scenario is likely happening with many minerals and vitamins due to poisoning by foreign substances that our industrial society has put upon us.

Drugs do cause deficiencies. Most drugs have not been studied for what specific deficiencies that they do cause but some have. You have to go to the PDR to find out... thats the Physicians Desk Reference... and would probably be the leading source for this information.

Fungus is generally caused by the over use of antibiotics or steroids, or female hormones. I have not seen that other drugs lead to fungus but there may be some.

Fungus (as well as mold) is also something that on rarer occassions you can catch. I have been reading about a killer airborne fungus that can get in the lungs. This would cause disease when the immune sytem has no response mechanism that works fast enough. Of course this inefficiency in the immune system could be caused by a number of nutrient deficiencies, but this example is of people who have become ill who are generally, buy normal convention, considered healthy... which of course is not our standard of health around here, even if we don't individually meet it.

Treating fungus is very difficult because you have to find a way to restore balance. The fungus your daughter had in her lungs may not have had a single thing to do with candida or her gut. How to know unless a culture was done? What hospitals are not talking about, just like they did not talk about MRSA for so long, it that there are several different types of fungus popping up.. that are not candida. Most doctors do not fully recognize this yet... as you saw, you had to demand a fungal mediciation, which they did give, but did they know what kind of fungus they were treating? Did anyone do a culture? I would try to find out if I were you. It is always best to know your enemy. Only time will tell if the medicine she took fully erradicated it. Fungus can be funny that way. It has a tendency to stick around and it may have even been forced to mutate under the stress of the antifungal medication.

Antifungal as well as antibiotics medications can force fungus to mutate, and just like MRSA, a resistant bacteria, you can develop a resistant fungus. If your daughter regrows this fungus to a pathogenic level again the drug she used previously may or may not work. This time a culture and sensitivity test would be mandetory to assure it is still the right antifungal mediciation. Remember that.

Also, when an individual takes many different antibiotics over the course of months or even a lifetime they could potentially alter the fungus into different forms... so what you have are fungal breeding grounds in all these different people with the fungus being slightly different in difficult ways to see. This is called shifting state of the microbe is called polymorphism.

So you can see how fungal infections can be very difficult to cure.

Ultimately, the terrane is of consequence. You want to rebuild the body to a natual state in its internal environment as best as you can. We generally see this as being done by eating natural foods, raw foods, taking supplements in an intelligent fashion, avoiding drugs, excess sugar and alcohol.... but there are other aspects to consider also.

This is why I am a strong believer in the paleolithic diet... you can look that up.

So few people ever get to figure out the nature of the fungus that is attacking them. They can do cultures of sputum and other secretions but conventional medicine does not routinely check for blood borne fungus. They can test for it now and I do believe that the PDF file I posted is a bit dated on this aspect of the topic. The tests take a long time for results to come out.

The very best diagnosis for blood born candida or other fungus is a dark field microscope live blood analysis. Although I do not know if they can differientate between different fungus that could possibly be there I think they have the candida thing down, as it is the most common. Only naturopaths or alternative thinking MDs offer this test. It is not FDA recognized and therefore insurance will not pay, but for what you get its not that expensive.

The PDF I posted states that diet is of little consequence... and he could have made this clearer. He certainly did talk about sugar and you have to consider ALL the ways sugar can get into your body. But you also have to heal the gut lining and you have to knock out with some kind of drug either pharmaceutical or alternative, the candida that is ciruculating in the body. Since doctors do not recognize circulating candida except in extreme situations in association with autoimmune diseases like HIV they just don't recognize or test for it in most people that come into their offices with the "candida check list" of symptoms. They do know candida is a killer and they see it most often in AIDs. I have seen people die from it, as I have worked with AIDS patients. Eventually it gets into the brain and colonizes there and thats the last straw for them. They get candida dementia and are soon after, gone. Treatment with antifungals eventuallys stops working as the infection is so severe and they as well are not addressing all fronts of the disease... and of course in AIDS everything is magnified by an malfunctioning immune system in total.

Healing the gut is primary. And from time immorial naturopaths have known that a dyfunctional gut is primary to most chronic disease. See Bernard Jenson and his book " The Science of Iridology " . He didn't make this stuff up, it had been known for many years.. but he brought the concepts into fuller awareness in the USA though his own clinical experience and teaching efforts.

When drugs are taken the first assault is on the flora in the gut. The flora produces a multitude of vitamins so this is where the deficiencies often start. You have to make most of your B vitamins. You also have to make many enzymes and many are produced in the gut by these flora or are secreted into the gut from the liver and pancreas and move though the intestinal wall into circulation. When things start to go down in this part of the body it is a cascading effect throughout in subtle ways. Over time real chronic disease can set in. Unfortunatley we don't understand all the pathways yet.

So the program is three fold and there are a number of ways to go about it.

1. Remove (this might be MMS, H202, Ozone, drug therapy, Rife, or a multitude of other products)

2. Reinocculate (or Restore - this is done by adding friendly bacteria and eating right)

3. Repair (or Modulate - includes methods to actually heal the lining of the gut and prevent it from degrading again.)

This artilce from my blog explains one approch using Homeopathy and nutrition
https://www.healthsalon.org/140/leaky-gut-syndrome/


and this article from my Bellaonline website exlplains an alternative
to the repair phase that many are finding effective especially if they have what is classified as an autoimmune disease or cancer
https://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art35143.asp

Because the fungus can mutate in a multitude of directions and have overlays of other diesease and dysfunction the cure becomes very complex for some. Many people try many things over many years and only get partial clearing of their condition. They learn how to live with their dysfunction with a variety of supplements and approaches.

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Deficiency is the cause of all non man made disease.

This would not include ionized radiation, such as from x-rays or mammograms, dental x-rays, excessive sun exposure, chemicals, such as pesticides, insecticides, vaccinations, prescription drugs, heavy metal poisoning including mercury and depleted uranium, and pollution of all kinds in air, food, and water.

Most multivitamins are useless because they consist of synthetic materials and cheap ingredients, fillers, sweeteners, etc, instead of being made from whole foods and minerals that the body can easily absorb.

It is up to every individual to research the products before choosing the best one, rather than just buying a cheap multi off the shelf and assume it is a good product.

Almost every company states their products are high quality..

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Let Food Be Your Medicine And Medicine Be Your Food.(Hippocrates)

the rest may take time to understand:

First, my daughter laid in ICU for almost two weeks going down hill they even had to give her 4 pints of blood. When her friend said to have the lung specialist give her the fungal antibiotic, he refused but did the test where they go into the lungs. It came out negative but since the surgeon knew he botched the surgery, all we can assertain was that they were afraid of being sued if they refused our request. Yes the lung doctor said only HIV patients got that pneumonia but her test also showed negative for HIV. My daughter's friend said new research shows more people are dieing of this which used to only attack HIV victims but the doctor probably did not have the latest research. The name is three words that are so long I could not pronounce it - but I bet you know.

She was never on drugs or prescriptions because she had not gone to a doctor in years other than having two babies and tubes tied. She did live two hours away in a large town for three years and when her family came back, that is when I began taking her to find out why she was so tired. She would give her children the supplements I sent but admitted she did not think important for her.

Now when you talk about her gut - there was a major problem as after those darn doctors sent her upstairs, new doctors ordered TwoCals, their multivitamins, tums on top of the drugs. She suffered down in ICU but nothing like upstairs. If my daughter had not refused their products and just taken the Mannatech products, I know she would have been right back down in ICU. My husband lived there and good thing he did. They continually tried to give her Atavan so she would not know what they were doing. Even the drugs for vomiting etc were so toxic, they could only give every six hours. Thank goodness for nurses as one ordered a bile machine to help remove it so it would not keep blowing out the hole in her neck from the tech.

I found a pathologist online and her daddy started with Ambrotose, GIProbiotic Stick and GIZyme every four hours until she felt she could handle more. We did not even add the vitamins for another day as she was too scared. I knew we had to add calories and without the parathyroid we would be in trouble without the calcium and mag. I think it took eight days for the vomiting to stop. Yes the hospital was upset. They had not taken the three tubes going into her veins out and added a bottle to hydrate her. But she turned off their machine giving her any of their food through the gpeg. Her daddy was very careful to give her products only when she did not feel too full.

She had administrators, techs and others coming in often. Probably why they won't show us records. After a week her daddy added Mannatech meal replacement and Osolean. We tried the TwoCals when she got home and she almost ended up in the hospital again. Arrowwind09 - maybe you know why that stuff is so deadly and why in the world they would give it to someone in the hospital.

Not sure about the shifting state of the microbe is called polymorphism I will try to look this up.

She wasn't around any toxins more than the rest of us - but she eats out all the time.

From the time she left the hospital and had the swallow test till she had the second one from a local hospital was 13 days. She remembered as she wanted to eat something other than Mannatech.

She was on morphine, delotdid and oxicodone. Large amounts at first in ICU then tapered until she went home. They sent her home with oxicodone but she went to IB prophine on the fourth day. (This was her daddy's idea) While she was living only on Mannatech, her legs sometimes twitched but other than being terribly upset over her 2 year old and 5 year old seeing her not well, she did really good.

My husband crushed multipak pills which included the plus, phytomatrics and AO and put with the other 3 - 4 times a day

She knows it is time to get the feeding tube out since the all clear but is going to wait until after the surgery.

All tests show normal but as a mom, I can tell she is still not back to normal yet. She does have two small children with a husband that works nights plus she works so it may be that it may just take time.

Only naturopaths or alternative thinking MDs offer this test. It is not FDA recognized and therefore insurance will not pay, but for what you get its not that expensive. We do not have these anywhere close that I know of.

I so agree about the gut. She said she had to take over the counter things for that before this. I bet there is more to that than known.

I'll keep you posted as from what I find, this water may be the minerals missing that cannot be purchased. You know Arrowwind09, I will ask her if I can post pictures of her in ICU and her neck now if she doesn't care. Her neck healed but it really needs plastic surgery which I would never be able to talk her into.

I will study your links and find the dr too.

I had MRSA in 2005 (we think I caught it at the gym) and the MDs didnt know what I had. I had to TELL THEM to culture it, for they left me in isolation for 4 days to "watch and see." That could've killed me. Unfortunately, I wish it did, for now I am living with the consequences of what 2+ months of PICC line Vancomycin does to the body (no one told me about probiotics, either....I was a teenager at the time, so I knew nothing about it).

This is my scenario. I feel like all I've done is waste time and money on useless doctors, random tests, and now have my own pharmacy of supplements. yet, I am not any better.

Grandmaflorist,

It is hard to say why she had a fungal infection in her lungs, but if she had surgery for cancer you can be sure she was given large doses of powerful antibiotics by IV which may have caused it. With such surgery antibiotics always come. That may be what threw her over the cliff with fungus. There is a possibility that she caught it while in the hospital from the environment also

It is clear that the products you gave her saved her life. I would just keep doing what you are doing.

I cant say about the formula. One thing with tube feedings is that sometimes it gets pumped in when there is no appetite and it just wasn't moving down right. Appetite tells you that you are ready to eat more. She may also be allergic to something in it. Obviously my guess would be that since she vomited it she was not moving it down the GI tract. The forumlas are crap but they generally dont kill people, at least right away. All those narcotics she was on slows down the GI tract considerably, even the upper GI tract, so that can be a problem with tube feeding. The nurses need to check for residual, that is forumula that has not left the stomach. If it is still there the feeding needs to be turned off. If it didn't get turned off when it needed to be she of course would vomit.

You have a right to the records. Threaten them with calling your lawyer, That generally makes them move. Not likely you will find illegal things going on but you never know. They generally do the best that they know how to do, which as we know is not always very good.

So did the gastroparesis and constipation start during or right after the vanco?

I assume you have been on probiotics for a while now? how long exactly?

This drug can wreak havoc with the gut as I am sure you are aware of by now and it did cause the fungal issues. It almost always does, either immediatley or delayed. The candida could be the cause of your constipaiton and gastroparesis. Lets see how your current plan works.

The stool test from metametrix did not show candida, but rather a +3 unidentifiable fungus/yeast. So, they could not give me a treatment protocol. What could this be?

I've always had some kind of GI issue, but yes, it seemed to be worse after the vanco. Actually, while ON the vanco, I had no problem with BMs! But I slowly began getting worse and worse as the years progressed.

Yes, I've now been on probiotics for years. I've done several brands:
-Pearls (sucks)
-Kyodolphilus
-Natren healthy Trinity
-Custom Brand
-Klaire Labs (current)

My chiro now wants me to stop my probiotics and other supps for a few days b/c my "body and mind are not communicating as to how it needs to heal, we need to work more on the emotional aspects of your life and the frustration you are facing on a daily basis with eating and colon issues."

So, he only wants me to take:
--digestive enzymes, HCl, mag/cal/D, aloe, vitamin C (the first two help me digest. . . the last three help me poop! :-))

and stop:
- Vit D, Iodine, Multivitamin, interfase, thyroid and adrenal supplements, fish oil....

AND the probiotics. I worry about stopping the probiotics. Won't stopping them cause more dysbyosis, since the MMS is killing the "good bacteria" too? Or, are u thinking that if I stop the probiotics, the MMS has less bacteria to contend with (good and bad guys), so it can kill the bad guys easier, since it won't have the good guys in the way as well?

I'm thisclose to finding a new doc, cuz I feel like he is just grasping for straws....

This is what I said yesterday. While taking the MMS, if it is working for you, you should not need to take probiotics. This is because it is doing part of what probiotics do. Kill the bad pathogens. So let MMS kill ALL. This is the theory anyway.

This is also why it is bad for people to take it too slowly. Work up to 15 drops as fast as you dare. Stay there for a week or two, then get off of it and rebuild with a really good probiotic. If you plan to go into maintenance mode with MMS (6 or less drops), then you need to supplement with probiotics between doses.

Diagnosis is difficult. Even for mainstream doctors. Tests do not always work or are not interpreted properly.

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Life is just one damned thing after another - Elbert Hubbard

Geesh, I don't know what to say to that.

Is your chiropractor aware of the new MMS protocols? Some of them include DMSO which helps the mms to move through the body.
www.jimhumble.biz

The protocols are numbered. The 15 drops two to three times a day isn't even recommended anymore.
Protocols 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000

I told him about the new protocols, but he said he got the best results with this one.

Is it normal to have major throat irritation, phlegm, and mucus production/raspy voice while doing the MMS? If feels like it's burning my throat. I'm constantly coughing up phlegm (more so than usual).

How fast do I ramp it up, then? I did 8 drops this AM and still nothing except for the above throat issues. Everyone told me to go slow...

Arrow: What protocol should I be doing? He said the protocols that require multiple doses a day are not that ineffective b/c there are so many things that will neutralize it (vitamins, foods, etc).