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what to take for tendentious?
I just recently got tendentious in my wrists and I'm not sure what I should take for it? I was thinking about taking fish oil and MSM, but not sure how much or if anything else will help.
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06-27-2011, 05:45 PM
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I just recently got tendentious in my wrists and I'm not sure what I should take for it? I was thinking about taking fish oil and MSM, but not sure how much or if anything else will help.
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MSM (Methyl-sulfonyl-methane) would definitely help with tendonitis, as it will help to lessen the inflammation that causes the pain. I suggest 1,000mg twice a day. It should be taken everyday for a substantial period of time to appreciate the results.
Omega 3 is always beneficial to take. I'd also include a Magnesium Citrate supplement, and massage with Magnesium Oil to relax the area.
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06-28-2011, 01:53 AM
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The origin of all
pain is inflammation and the inflammatory response.
Raising your natural anti inflammatory status increases you pain threshold so you are less likely to experience pain.
It follows that people who don't sleep well suffer more pain because they lack sufficient anti inflammatory Melatonin
Similarly lack of the anti inflammatory Vitamin D results in chronic pain
It's a similar mechanism underlying the role of magnesium and omega3 for reducing the pro inflammatory profile by increasing anti inflammatory status. Curcumin, resveratrol, Green tea may also help.
I think people have to be aware it takes time to readjust your sensitivity to pain, these aren't quick acting remedies but long term strategies that take 8~12 weeks to begin to work and providing you don't increase stress or pro inflammatory inputs will go on improving pain sensitivity over several years. I suggest vitamin D takes 3yrs to get right and omega 3 status may take 5yrs providing you avoid all omega 6 industrial seed/veg oils. That's not to say you won't feel better sooner but you won't really appreciate the full benefit for some time. It took a long time to get so meltonin/vitamind/omega3/magnesium depleted and you can't turn that situation round with just one pot of appropriate strength supplements.
You have to take the long view.
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06-28-2011, 08:14 AM
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I would take Aleve, (just twice though). Take one with dinner tonight and another with breakfast tomorrow. That should relieve it somewhat, then take MSM, fish oil and turmeric extract.
If you do not want to take aleve, you can take white willow bark (a natural form of aspirin with cofactors and it works better)
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06-28-2011, 11:25 AM
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MSM (Methyl-sulfonyl-methane) would definitely help with tendonitis, as it will help to lessen the inflammation that causes the pain. I suggest 1,000mg twice a day. It should be taken everyday for a substantial period of time to appreciate the results.
Omega 3 is always beneficial to take. I'd also include a Magnesium Citrate supplement, and massage with Magnesium Oil to relax the area.
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Thanks for the suggestions, I've already started taking the MSM and fishoil twice a day. I'll double check on the mgs of MSM I'm taking to see if it's close to 1,000mgs.
I eat almonds everyday, wondering if that's enough magnesium?
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The origin of all
pain is inflammation and the inflammatory response.
Raising your natural anti inflammatory status increases you pain threshold so you are less likely to experience pain.
It follows that people who don't sleep well suffer more pain because they lack sufficient anti inflammatory Melatonin
Similarly lack of the anti inflammatory Vitamin D results in chronic pain
It's a similar mechanism underlying the role of magnesium and omega3 for reducing the pro inflammatory profile by increasing anti inflammatory status. Curcumin, resveratrol, Green tea may also help.
I think people have to be aware it takes time to readjust your sensitivity to pain, these aren't quick acting remedies but long term strategies that take 8~12 weeks to begin to work and providing you don't increase stress or pro inflammatory inputs will go on improving pain sensitivity over several years. I suggest vitamin D takes 3yrs to get right and omega 3 status may take 5yrs providing you avoid all omega 6 industrial seed/veg oils. That's not to say you won't feel better sooner but you won't really appreciate the full benefit for some time. It took a long time to get so meltonin/vitamind/omega3/magnesium depleted and you can't turn that situation round with just one pot of appropriate strength supplements.
You have to take the long view.
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I know I shouldn't be, but I'm still working out the muscles as I have an addiction to the gym and hate taking time off, unless I'm traveling and it's impossible.
Are you saying that the fish oil won't help unless I'm taking it for years? My wrist is pain that it's hard for me to sleep and it's hard for me to type at times. This happened to me about 10 years ago, which was from lifting or something something I know better and improperly. Well it took me about half a year to recover completely from it.
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I would take Aleve, (just twice though). Take one with dinner tonight and another with breakfast tomorrow. That should relieve it somewhat, then take MSM, fish oil and turmeric extract.
If you do not want to take aleve, you can take white willow bark (a natural form of aspirin with cofactors and it works better)
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I'm taking ibuprofen right now, which I thought was an also an anti inflammatory, but I hate taking anything like this long term. I took two pills this morning, then around noon I took two more about 30 minutes before I hit the gym again. I couldn't do some exercises I normally do, because the pain is too high though. Hoping it will go away for the most part in a few weeks like other injuries I have.
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06-28-2011, 11:47 AM
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I eat almonds everyday, wondering if that's enough magnesium?
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No. I doubt you are going to consume more than 200g almonds daily.
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Are you saying that the fish oil won't help unless I'm taking it for years?
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NO I'm saying that there will be a noticable improvement within days and a significant improvement within weeks but that improvement will continue improving for a long while so after 2~3 years your anti inflammatory status will (providing you continue to avoid the corn/soy/sunflower/cottonseed or whatever omega 6 industrially made seed/grain oils that are misrepresented as vegetable oils your pain threshold will improve as your natural ability to resolve inflammation increases. I want to make it clear that every cell in your body has a requirement for omega 3 and it is naive to think that taking a few omega 3 capsules immediately changes every cell in your body. It doesn't It took all your life to get into your current state and typically most adults have 20times too much omega 6 in relation to omega 3. The half life of omega 6 is a couple of years so common sense should be sufficient to work out that if you don't add to the omega 6 disaster scenario and you maintain an omega 3 surplus in 2 years that will be a 10times too much omega 6 situation and by 4yrs that will have halved again to a just 5 times too much omega 6. (but as it's hard to avoid the omega 6 oils (just read the label on your mayo) you'll probably take longer than 4yrs to sort it out.
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My wrist is pain that it's hard for me to sleep and it's hard for me to type at times. This happened to me about 10 years ago, which was from lifting or something something I know better and improperly. Well it took me about half a year to recover completely from it.
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I used to be in constant joint pain and it took me 3~4 years to sort it. but it can be done if you stick at it and ensure you watch your proinflammatory inputs and make sure you have plenty of anti inflammatory sources.
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06-28-2011, 03:55 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions, I've already started taking the MSM and fishoil twice a day. I'll double check on the mgs of MSM I'm taking to see if it's close to 1,000mgs.
I eat almonds everyday, wondering if that's enough magnesium?
I know I shouldn't be, but I'm still working out the muscles as I have an addiction to the gym and hate taking time off, unless I'm traveling and it's impossible.
Are you saying that the fish oil won't help unless I'm taking it for years? My wrist is pain that it's hard for me to sleep and it's hard for me to type at times. This happened to me about 10 years ago, which was from lifting or something something I know better and improperly. Well it took me about half a year to recover completely from it.
I'm taking ibuprofen right now, which I thought was an also an anti inflammatory, but I hate taking anything like this long term. I took two pills this morning, then around noon I took two more about 30 minutes before I hit the gym again. I couldn't do some exercises I normally do, because the pain is too high though. Hoping it will go away for the most part in a few weeks like other injuries I have.
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Aleve works better in many people and it is a twice a day regimen. But reducing inflamation for just a day or 2 with aleve can speed up the healing process. Sounds like you need to skip the gym for a week also.
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06-29-2011, 05:26 AM
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No. I doubt you are going to consume more than 200g almonds daily.
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I read online that 1 ounce of almonds is 84mg of magnesium, which I'm guessing between my multivitamin (33mg) and the almonds I eat I'm getting about 201mg of magnesium a day.
To be completely honest, I'd prefer to take certain vitamins and prefer to get other things from food. I take a multivitmamin in the morning and then I take a lot of vitamin C, but mostly because I've seen how it helps me with allergies and I can't see getting that much from food sources that will help me with allergies. If I didn't have allergies I wouldn't be taking so much vitamin C to be honest, probably just use the little that's in the multivitamin.
The d3 I take from a vitamin, because I'm not eating fish daily nor am I in the sun that often and I've personally noticed better mood and better sleep when taking D3.
I did take magnesium pills before when I tried to see if it would help improve my sleep and after 2-3 months I didn't see any difference in my sleep I stopped taking it to be completely honest, because I figured from the food I'm eating and the multivitamin I don't see myself as having a magnesium deficiency.
Plus I love almonds. It seems to be loaded in magnesium, vitamin E, calcium and fiber.... no in carbs.
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06-29-2011, 05:42 AM
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I read online that 1 ounce of almonds is 84mg of magnesium, which I'm guessing between my multivitamin (33mg) and the almonds I eat I'm getting about 201mg of magnesium a day.
To be completely honest, I'd prefer to take certain vitamins and prefer to get other things from food. I take a multivitmamin in the morning and then I take a lot of vitamin C, but mostly because I've seen how it helps me with allergies and I can't see getting that much from food sources that will help me with allergies. If I didn't have allergies I wouldn't be taking so much vitamin C to be honest, probably just use the little that's in the multivitamin.
The d3 I take from a vitamin, because I'm not eating fish daily nor am I in the sun that often and I've personally noticed better mood and better sleep when taking D3.
I did take magnesium pills before when I tried to see if it would help improve my sleep and after 2-3 months I didn't see any difference in my sleep I stopped taking it to be completely honest, because I figured from the food I'm eating and the multivitamin I don't see myself as having a magnesium deficiency.
Plus I love almonds. It seems to be loaded in magnesium, vitamin E, calcium and fiber.... no in carbs.
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Trouble is that most multivits use magnesium oxide and only 8% of that is bioavailable.
While I think it is possible to meet the RDA using diet sources alone I do NOT think the RDA for magnesium is adequate in the same way the RDA for vitamin D is totally ridiculous we need far more that current consensus medical opinion regards as adequate. The problem is that those who set these amounts have a vested interest in profiting from medical interventions. The amounts are set with only short term outcomes in mind.
It takes 30~30 yrs of vitamin D or magnesium deficiency to produce many of the consequences to cognitive function, muscle strength or bone strength. It's no good simply looking at adverse outcomes that occur within 12months.
Krispin has it about right.
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My Krispin-RDA is a total of 500-700 mg magnesium daily.
5 to 10 milligrams per day per kilo of ideal body weight or 2.5 to 4.5 milligrams per day per pound of ideal body weight.
Example: 70 kilos or 150 pounds= 350 mg. to 700 mg. daily.
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I think we all need to use magnesium supplements (or magnesium oil or transdermal magnesium bath) to reach that kind of intake because the amounts that would have been in old fashioned slow growing grains veggies are simply not present in modern fast growing cultivars (almonds are slow growing crops) and modern farming does not normally include restoring magnesium status to the soil. (it's only done if the plants are suffering)
Magnesium Nutrition
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