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Has anyone else felt this or experienced things getting better initially and later turning into disease?

May 2009 I started with a naturopath doctor to resolve sinus issues. Got rid of soda, dead foods and progressively changing all household products. Health food stores has become like an obsession these past 2yrs. Even ordering organic produce.

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March of 2010 I began having some kind of allergic conjunctivitis. Acupuncture was the only thing that helped, none of the naturopaths suggestions helped. A chiropractor couldn't help either. Time away from the area twice helped, no symptoms (5wks SC and 75days in south ILlinois)
Skin problems began in the fall, like eczema.

In March 2011 I began partial fasting and detox for a month.
April I woke up with arthritic conditions progressively getting worse. The inflamation became so bad in May. Blood test showed a dramatic change in 5mths and autoimmune as positive.

A couple of weeks ago my father passed away (only 58) and at his memorial I passed out and was taken to the hospital. My blood test showed further decline - white blood cell 1.5, red blood down and hemoglobin at 9.5. Lupus was finally diagnosed and now they are aggressively treating me.

So here I am with a lot of anger for having just spent 2yrs being so meticulous, proactive and looking to have a better quality of life and wake up one morning with a disease that is progressing. Esp the fast and detox, that was not easy and I was feeling better during that time....Anyone else experience things going opposite?

added note: and finacially I've done everything I can for 2yrs and have a huge medical bill now that will be taking up all my resources now.

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Old 07-17-2011, 04:09 PM
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Hmmm. Take flax oil and definitely do not even consider dairy products. This is complicated, you need to be on the board as much as possible and let us know what is going on, maybe some people have persoanl experiences when you have specific issues. Good luck.
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Old 07-17-2011, 04:25 PM
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Greensurfer, it has always been my opinon that disease is so much more complex than just the foods you eat. We are not just physical beings, but mental and spiritual also.. we carry a lot of stuff around to create imbalance on a lot of levels.

I had been on raw foods for almost two years, a vegetarian for for maybe 5 and thats when I got melanoma... go figure?

I have found homeopathy, via a classical homepath to be of the most help to me at different times .... I didnt use homeoapth for the melanoma, I had surgery and it never returned. For lupus, if it were me, I would be on a plane to see my homepath. He has gotten me out of some fine messes over the years and when things get so I can't manage them on my own thats where I head.

I will look around for antedotal evidence with MMS1 and MMS2 in mind for lupus... it is my opinion that most cancer and most auto immune disorders have a microbe involved or at least a microbial overlay to the disease that makes it worse. This is why MMS cures some cancers and eliminates some arthritis also.

I suggest that you ask D Bergy his opinion on Rife work for Lupus also. He knows more about Rife than anyone else here. If I stll had my rife machine and I got lupus I certainly would be using it.
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GreenSurfer,

I can't offer any expert advice on your conditions, but I would like to send you some encouraging words. We can only control so much in our own lives. Despite the fact that you have made constant efforts to improve yourself, we still live in a toxic environment. Keep making strides towards constant improvement and keep reading and learning about your conditions. Also, judging by the essence of your post I assume you are quite stressed. We all know how badly stress can affect us. Try your best not to stress yourself. I know this is easier said than done, especially coming from me. Meditation, yoga, a regular exercise program, or some other type of stress relief activity could have indirect positive results on you.

Also, what type of supplementation regimen do you follow?
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greensurfer

on these pages you will find testimonials regarding mms and lupus

https://www.mmshealthyforlife.com/?cat=161

and I found this on another site a little over half way down on this page:
https://testimoniesofmms.blogspot.com/
"Everyone who has reported having lupus and also reported taking
the MMS has also reported feeling back to normal. All cases of
diabetes that have reported taking the MMS have also reported doing
better, not all cured, but doing better. Even those with depression
have reported feeling better. One child with ADD has reported all
symptoms were gone in two weeks."


and here: https://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1505020
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Are you taking any vitamins? I think that sometimes especially if we have a condition that we should probably take more of a vitamin and herb than if we didn't. For instance I suffered with allergies for the longest time and now since I started to have a better diet and I take a lot of vitamin C along with other vitamins my allergies have basically gone away. The difference with vitamins versus taking some medication is that it takes time to notice the differences.

I made some changes like I stopped drinking coffee and I drink green tea a lot now, which some studies show it's also loaded in vitamin C and people who drink green tea have less allergies in general. It's helped me drastically....

I would recommend getting your blood tested to see if you have any deffiencies that you can supplement with vitamins and herbs. Most people don't get enough vitamin D2 for starters.

Also, what is your diet exactly? How often do you eat fish and/or do you take fish oil? Here's a study that you might be intrested in reading
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/11/071109202954.htm

I'm taking fish oil myself now because of a joint issue I have, but I honestly think your better off eating more fish if you can.
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Most people don't get enough vitamin D2 for starters.
I believe that D3 is the preferred form to supplement with, it's the only form I'll buy.
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Hi Greensurfer,

You wrote, "Time away from the area twice helped, no symptoms (5wks SC and 75days in south ILlinois)"

How long have you lived in your current home? Did you have carpets changed, new paint or a new patio deck put on? Sometimes these changes will create toxins the body tries to get rid of.

Vit. D3 popped up a lot when I did a search on Lupus.

Lendon Smith, MD, author of "Feeding Yourself Right" states that Lupus patients should take 10 g of vit. C (10,000 mg) per day to help the adrenal glands produce natural cortisol which can strenghten us and reduce our fatigue levels."
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Greensurfer I'm not sugesting that you are taking any medications, but did you know that some medications can induce Lupus.
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https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1065086-overview
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I believe that D3 is the preferred form to supplement with, it's the only form I'll buy.
Was a typo, thanks for the correction
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Greensurfer do a thorough check of your home for mold. The fact your symptoms improved when away is a red flag for mold.
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Lol - was my first reaction.
It is really funny how people say something without telling anything when they talk about healthy way of eating.
I hope you all agree, that GreenSurfer didn't say what he actually ate. For example when I went for my nose surgery 1 month prior I had low hemoglobin level, that was unpleasant to know. So whole month before my surgery I ate fried beef more as it makes hemoglobin level go higher, as the result my hemoglobin went higher than normal levels in one single month, though I didn't feel any different.
Did GreenSurfer do that? We don't know.
Btw: you can have bad health eating natural products. Its how you combine them when you eat them; it is whether or not you cook them too much, and much more.
He said he was fasting, and we don't know if he did it right.
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am starting to think we should just relax more when possible, eat and bless the food , take a multi-vitamin, say Praise God....and "I love myself" and others, of course, then watch a funny movie. Oh, and take a bike ride or walk, just live, love and laugh, then die. Oh, I would love to follow my own advise. A sense of humor even while eating hotdogs, probably does the most good, and a spiritual life. I don't know. Aromatherapy????
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