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\r\n \r\n The China Study, Wheat, and Heart Disease; Oh My! Denise Minger explains why Wheat is not a safe food for humans.
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\nTrouble is that modern wheat is not what wheat was when I was a boy.
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\nModern wheat varieties are more dangerous than wheat was in past generations.
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\nMost of the Evidence of decreasing mineral density in wheat grain over the last 160 years but it\'s only since the mid 1960\'s they have decreased significantly,
\nThe magnesium content in particular controls the PH status and this is what regulates the way lipids get through the cell membrane.
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\nA Natural Age of Weaning by Katherine Dettwyler, PhD
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\nRaising healthy eaters- What to feed baby suggests leaving grains till over 1 yr.
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\nI would take this one step further and say that we never should have - why we did is an interesting study in the manipulation of food supply as a route to power. BUT, from the nutritional perspective, grain has been screwing up human health ever since its introduction - max 15,000 years ago. Grains don\'t want to be eaten! They protect themselves chemically - ie poison us. Two main mecahanisms - 1) lectins, which trigger autoimmune disease 2) phytate, which binds to minerals so that they cannot be absorbed. That\'s before we discuss exessive carbohydrate consumption.
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\nYour baby needs lots of fats - particularly from fish - but not larger predatory fish like tuna (due to bioaccumulation of heavy metals and toxins). Introduce pureed, vegetables like broccoli and cauliflower along with pureed fish like herring or sardine as well as squid and prawn. Be selective about meat sources - pasture raised and never grain fed - and that includes your chickens (for eggs or meat).
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\nDairy products are best sourced from goat - raw if possible. Harder to get raw cow\'s milk, but not impossible.
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\nDon\'t give your baby cereals - and ideally mum should stay off grains while breast feeding - in fact follow the same dietary advice. Eat lots of fish for your baby. DHA is essential for the development of brain, nerves, and vision.
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\nA Natural Age of Weaning by Katherine Dettwyler, PhD
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\nRaising healthy eaters- What to feed baby suggests leaving grains till over 1 yr.
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\nMost of the Evidence of decreasing mineral density in wheat grain over the last 160 years but it\'s only since the mid 1960\'s they have decreased significantly,
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\nA Natural Age of Weaning by Katherine Dettwyler, PhD
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\nRaising healthy eaters- What to feed baby suggests leaving grains till over 1 yr.
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\nSo, even Bob\'s Red Mills Whole Wheat Flour that is 100% stone ground from hard red U.S. dark northern spring wheat?\r\n
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Hard red spring wheat is a specialty wheat because of its high protein content and strong gluten characteristics.
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\nThe only treatment for celiac disease is a strict gluten-free diet for life.
\nThis paper presents a systematic review of the scientific literature on the safety of pure oats for individuals with celiac disease, which historically has been subject to debate.
\nLimitations identified within the scientific database include: limited data on long-term consumption, limited numbers of participants in challenge studies, and limited reporting about the reasons for withdrawals from study protocols.
\nFurthermore, some evidence suggests that a small number of individuals with celiac disease may be intolerant to pure oats and some evidence from in vitro studies suggests that an immunological response to oat avenins can occur in the absence of clinical manifestations of celiac disease as well as suggesting that oat cultivars vary in toxicity.
\nBased on the majority of the evidence provided in the scientific database, and despite the limitations, Health Canada and the Canadian Celiac Association (CCA) concluded that the majority of people with celiac disease can tolerate moderate amounts of pure oats.
\nThe incorporation of oats into a gluten-free diet provides high fiber and vitamin B content, increased palatability, and beneficial effects on cardiovascular health.
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I\'m still confused. So, the hard red spring wheat is good? And oats would be good?
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My wife only breast feeds....our baby girl is 4 months....I give her a drop a day of vitamin d3...(400 UI).
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Default When Do You Introduce Cereal to a Breast Fed Baby?

My wife only breast feeds....our baby girl is 4 months....I give her a drop a day of vitamin d3...(400 UI).

When is a good time to introduce cereal? Someone said 4 months....someone else said 6 months? My wife wants to wait 6 months....

longer?
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