\r\n \r\n Do be aware that low levels of Vitamin D3 and/or Melatonin levels are implicated in gingival and periodontal disease.
\nIf your saliva and immune systems don\'t have the means to secrete the appropriate amount of natural anti inflammatory anitmicrobial agent then your gums will get inflamed.
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\nObviously the more pathogenic bacteria in your oral cavity the more likely you are to get trouble. It may be worth using Xylitol chewing gum or sweeteners to reduce pathogenic bacteria in your mouth.
\nIherb are probably cheaper than Zellies but Zellies has links to the science.
\nUse $5 discount code WAB666 if you are new to Iherb and want to import to the UK as there shipping is generally cheapest, for USA check google/amazon first for price delivered comparison.
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\nMelatonin contributes to protecting of oral cavity\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Thanks for the advice Ted!
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\nIts odd, because.. I take way better care of my teeth these days then I used to.. I floss everyday and brush every day at least once.. and I wash my mouth with a herbal mouthwash thats good for the gums etc..
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\nBut I recently got my teeth cleaned and the dentist woman was like "you need to floss".. and I was like "umm I floss after EVERY meal" and she was like "well your technique must not be very good" ..
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\nit was just suprising though because I almost became obcessive about dental care and expected to have perfect gums etc..
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\nSo now im realizing I need to do more .. Yea good quality sleep and vitamin D seem to be criitical to most health problems! Pretty wild..
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\nI think Sleep is so important.. for most of my life ive stayed up pretty late (2 AM) but im working on going to bed earlier.. my goal is ultimately to go to bed at 10 PM and wake at 6 AM, apparently thats the best time to sleep.. I need to work on getting outside more.. I live in sunny southern california so it helps.. Im not really taking a Vit D supplement BUT I do drink a vitamin rich shake most days that has .. ooh just checked only 400 IU of ergocalciferol which I suppose is D2. Maybe I should throw in an extra 1-2K of D3 a day just to give me a boost.. I\'d like to get my vitamin levels checked anyway I should do that.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n moxsum, with all the other symptoms that you have it seems to me that you are still struggling with a pathogen overload.. you keep having one issue after another... if you would only take mms....but I know... you don\'t like the idea of it...yet you continue to struggle.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n hey arrow, thanks for your concern but im really not having many issues anymore. At least I dont think so.. or maybe my attitude has just changed.. but in general I feel pretty good, im definitely not sick or having bad problems - more like just fine tuning some things..
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\nI just got the carlson vitamin D 2,000 IU drops which I will start taking.. like on todays, its gloomy outside.. but then I had a thought..
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\nSurely its not natural to have high vit D levels all year round?? I mean.. thats why the seasons exist right? Wouldnt it be "natural" to get less vitamin D in the winter time if we were all living outside in nature? So is it normal to artificially inflate our vitamin D levels all year round? In nature animals go through changes a long with the seasons, bears hibernate all winter long etc. Humans too are supposed to be effected by the seasons, but because we live inside all year with artificial light are connection with nature/seasons is all messed up.. is taking vitamin D supplements like living with the light bulb?\r\n

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\r\n \r\n But you have to understand what the levels of 25(OH)D would have been if you lived near naked outdoors throughout the year in a tropical latitude. It wouldn\'t just have been the 60ng/ml mark it would have got well over 100ng/ml. So at it\'s peak it would have been 100+ and it\'s nadir around 50ng/ml.
\r\nWe don\'t get anywhere near the lowest of those levels nowadays. Your 2000iu will barely get you above 40ng/ml if your lucky and get outside with your kit off.
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\r\n BUT YOU AREN\'T INFLATING YOUR VITAMIN d status.
\r\nYou\'re barely getting above deficiency status. You not even meeting your daily needs.
\r\nIf you were female and breastfeeding you wouldn\'t be providing vitamin D replete breast milk for your baby. Surely you grasp the idea that human breast milk should be a complete food ideal for human babies, Paleo mum\'s didn\'t have D,DROPS to provide the D3.
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\r\n Sure that\'s why we have the capacity to store vitamin D3.
\r\nLook at 40ng/ml no one has any stored D3
\r\nIt\'s only when you move above 40ng/ml can you measure strored D3 in tissue cells.
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\r\nCertainly NOT.
\r\nYou haven\'t got anywhere near the levels that early humans would have normally achieved.
\r\nYour pathetic 2000iu/daily isn\'t going to meet your daily needs let alone allow your body to actually store D3.
\r\nSure I think it is natural to have a reserve of D3 build up in the summer and for that to decline over the winter. But I can\'t live naked all summer, The neighbours wouldn\'t like it nor would the shops, pubs restaurants etc. It isn\'t possible in modern society to live naked throughout the summer so the best you can do is get 30mins full body exposure in the privacy of your own garden. But don\'t kid yourself that that combined with your pathetic apology for an effective strength vitamin D3 supplement is going to get your levels above the levels at which storage of vitamin d3 in cells actually is measurable.
\r\nYou\'re kidding yourself.
\r\nIt won\'t happen because it can\'t happen.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n So what do you recommend 10,000 IU a day supplement?
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\nAlso, if your white, your ancestors were likely not living in a tropical climate.. most white people are from northern countries, like northern europe/russia/canada where theres less sunlight and they wore skins and furs to cover there bodies so they didnt freeze. But I suppose many of those cultures were eating fish.
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\nIm just playing the devils advocate here
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\nIs it fine to take vit d2 and d3 at the same time? Because in my shake I drink in the mornings it has 400 IU of D2 then if im taking 2000 IU D3 is that ok?\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Initially if you haven\'t been taking an effective strength supplement or been getting full body sun exposure, But you do have to have a 25(OH)D test after 3~6months to see how your body has responded and adjust the amount according to the level achieved aiming at 60ng/ml.
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\r\nThe most logical reason why those who lost hair and those whose skins were the palest survived best in the most northerly latitudes is because during the summer these folks STORED the most vitamin D3 and so had the greatest natural antibiotic, anti-inflammatory antioxidant reserves. But you only have significant reserves above 50~60ng/ml under 40ng/ml and your just meeting daily needs.
\r\nThe Inuit survived the long winter because they developed a taste for game/fish/plants/seal/whale fermented in seal oil in pits in the ground combined with the vitamin d rich caribou meat (they graze on vitamin d rich lichen) it\'s estimated they obtained more than 6000iu/daily/D3. Now if that was the RDA we would see a reduction in chronic illness.
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\r\nD2 speeds up the rate at which vitamin d is used up by the body. The more D2 you take the faster your body disposes of the vitamin. I don\'t take any D2 and would never suggest that anyone takes any ever. I can\'t see the point. However in relation to the 2000iu it\'s a relatively trivial amount but this is a NATURAL HEALTH FORUM and we should be encouraging the use of NATURAL (for humans) forms of vitamin d3.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Vitamin D-Mediated Induction of Innate Immunity in Gingival Epithelial CellsScience News article based on press release.
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\r\nWhile of course vitamin d won\'t stop the food getting stuck it will reduce the potential for infection.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Thanks ted.. ive been upping my dose of vitamin D.. taking 4-8 K a day now, this week has been grey skies and ive been indoors a lot..
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\nAnyway - back to my teeth issue - ive looked it up and apparently its called an "open contact".. basically theres a slight space between the two teeth.. normally when I floss I have to wedge the floss in between the teeth, but on these two teeth it glides through without much effort.. its getting to be annoying, most times I eat, especially meat I get some food painfully stuck there and tehn I have to floos it out and my gums are left irritated.. this could also be why the last time I had my teeth cleaned the woman said I needed to \'floss more\' .. apparenyl my gums were bleeding a bit, but I floss all the time, so it could be this "open contact" is causing some chornic irritation to my gums.. clearly this needs to be fixed soon - chronic gum inflammation is bad news. But at the same time, I Really dont like western dentists, they cause way more health problems then they fix.. im trying to think how they could fix this.. either a brace to bring the two teeth closer together again - or some filling to stop food getting inbeetwen the teeth... the problem is, its the 2 farthest teeth in the way back of my mouth.. putting braces back there must be difficult and having them working that far back in my mouth freaks me out a bit.. then if its a filling my fear is the type of material they would use could cause issues.. hmmm guess I need to do more research..\r\n

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