\r\n \r\n Mycosis is a fungal infection. Do you have oral thrush? White tongue?
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\nMany people have used many things as mouthwash for the very purpose of "disturbing" the bacteria in their mouths. A salt wash should have nothing to do with your condition. No more than would a hydrogen peroxide wash or Listerine.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n im not sure about oral thrush,im not sure what it is?
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\ni do have white tongue,but mostly on the back of the tongue and also there is a few raised spots on the tongue like spots,smaller and bigger,but just a few...but they are skin colour and i figure they will go away after the mycosis is healed...
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\nthe thing about disturbing the bacteria in the mouth i found out that there is good bacteria and bad bacteria,so i figured when i mouthwashed with undiluted himalayan salt sole (strong stuff) i killed everything,good and bed,and so the germ bacteria whatever that causes mycosis found the time and the right atmosphere to strike,and it did...
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\nbut who knows,could be the herpes,or the hpv,i really dont know anymore...im just guessing,as the doctors are not really helpfulll on,anything\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I might be wrong, but I thought that the good bacteria was just involved in the digestive system. I don\'t think that any bacteria in the mouth is good. Here\'s a site that may interest you...
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\r\n \r\n alright,checking it out now \r\n

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\r\n \r\n You are right about both good and bad bacteria in the mouth. The same thing happens in the sinuses and other parts of the body. The hope is that there are more good bacteria to keep the bad ones in check.
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\nThe commercial mouthwashes kill both good and bad bacteria. Millions of people use these mouthwashes. The same thing happens when you eat a lemon or grapefruit or other antibacterial food. I\'m saying that your sodium mouthwash is no different and should not make the bad bacteria proliferate and wipe out the good bacteria which will keep it all in balance.
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\nIt sounds to me that you may be dealing with candida albicans (thrush) which is somewhat common. Well just somewhat common. However, that is not what your doctors seem to think.
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\r\n \r\n I never thought about the good oral bacteria until you and truestorytotell mentioned it. Just got the new Swanson Vitamin catalog, and they have an oral probiotic formula with S. salivarius, L. parcasei, L. salivarius, L. reuteri, L. plantarum and L. rhamnosus.
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\r\n \r\n Thanks for clearing that up for me Jfh. I\'ve been concentrating on removing all bacteria, using hydrogen peroxide, coconut oil, grapefruit seed extract, etc. \r\n

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\r\n \r\n i dont know about the pill jfh,it was a packet that contained 1 pill and costed 10 euros,i tried looking in the garbage but unfortunately that bag was already thrown away...
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\nthe mouthwash i am using now is from a natural shop,it says: essential aromatic oils from organicaly grown medicinal plants and herbs,honey,grapes and sea extracts.
\nit is called Myrtus Bioral (if it means anything)
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\nthe himalayan sole i used only for 2 days as a mouthwash,and then boom white tongue and all...
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\nas far as my doctor goes,i dont want to resort to name calling here,but he basically looked at the tongue under a microscope for no more than 15 seconds,wrote me a perscription of a pill and a gel to put twice a day,and i was on my way,nothing more nothing less...oh and he said,mycosis,thats all...
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\nthe gel ive been using is https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100000668.html theere we gooo \r\n

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\r\n \r\n i am a heavy smoker btw...i know that does not help AT ALL...
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\r\n \r\n and by heavy smoker i mean i am 21 years old now,and been smoking on a daily basis since 13
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\r\n \r\n ohhhh sht....i just googled candida albicans (thrush) , not cool...
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\nAs it turns out, I think I do indeed have a Candida Infection on my tongue, almost certainly my intestines, and also I think this could be the culprit behind the hives!! (I DONT KNOW ABOUT MY INTESTINES,BUT THE HIVES ARE THERE,AND IT ALL ADDS UP,KINDA)
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\nand i have been getting Hives since one month now,randomly mostly at night,they come,they itch,they go away,i told my derm about it and he said show me,it was during the day so i didnt have any,and then he said ok since you dont have them on you now its not hives,dont worry about it grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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\nGuys please tell me something positive,gimme some advice...i cant take it anymore
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\ntongue mycosis or thrust
\nhives
\nherpes
\nhpv
\nfrom an accident i had when i was 18:
\nbroken left foot big toe,wasnt noticed by the all knowing doctors and now it grew wrong,cant bend it,hurts on a Daily Basis ((
\nnumb knee (24/7)
\nbroken nose(had one 50% succesful surgery),ill have to do another one
\nbusted lips,had a surgery to remove unstable scar(the surgery caused a new,stable scar) probably i have another surgery in 2 months about this
\nleft hand index finger,broken or something,cant bend the last joint
\na lump thing in my jaw(small)
\na lump thing in my neck(small)
\na lump thing in my left arm(small)
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\nits so depressing,and they just keep coming and coming.....\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I strongly suggest that you read this site. www.jimhumble.biz
\nlearn to eat better, supplement with Lugol\'s iodine and vitamin D3.
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\nYou have a candida mouth infection. the meds the doc gave you will likely clear it up in the coming week or so. There is nothing to say that you have a candida over growth in your intestines also. If it is not gone in the alloted time return the doctor for another pill. I suspect that he ordered diflucan for you. Ask him for a generic next time, fluconazole, is is way less expensive.
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\r\n \r\n The great majority (83%) of oral candidiasis patients are moderate to heavy cigarette smokers. Candida, a normal component of approximately 50% of the mouths of healthy, normal individuals (without dentures), can be variably affected by smoking, becoming either more or less intense in different individuals. Heavy smokers who also abuse alcohol are more likely to lack oral Candida than any other group. Median rhomboid glossitis, a candida-induced tongue change, is most frequently (85%) seen in smokers and is markedly improved upon smoking cessation.
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\r\n \r\n Because oral thrush as frequently been described as a white tongue here on this forum I found some photos. It is not just a white tongue and has a very specific look to it. Typically it is described as white patches on the tongue or roof of the mouth. They often have a circumfrence of dark red inflammed tissue and are typically painful. Notice those lovely mercury fillings!
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\nFunny, jfh, In all my years of dealing with this disease in nuring work, I have never seen a case caused by cigarette smoking. All cases have been associated with some kind of drug use, either antibiotics, chemo, or steroids. The only other cases have seen have been in nursing newborns. I am unsure of the cause in these cases as they were not associated with any drug use but I suspect the microbe is picked up from the mom as the babies immune system is not developed enough to resist it and many new moms are run down so their their defences arn\'t up to holding it in check either.
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\nOral thrush is a kind of yeast infection that may appear in an individual�s mouth that is caused by uncontrollable growth of an organism known as Candida albicans. This is the kind of a organism that generally rests under your skin, in your gut, or in your mouth and does not bother anyone at all. On the other hand, if this bacterium starts multiplying, it grows uncontrollably leading to inflammation and causing extreme pain. When it occurs, it is known as candidiasis, a yeast infection, or moniliasis.
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\nCauses of Oral Thrush � You may be thinking that you should take measures and then you will not be able to catch this oral thrush; however, this is not how it is. The yeast is already there and there are numerous factors that can initiate its growth and it go uncontrollable. One of the leading and primary reasons or oral thrush is gorge of antibiotics. There are different bacteria with which the yeast is compatible. These bacteria also live under the skin among various other places but they are harmless and are extremely helpful in fighting off the yeast infection. While an individual is in-taking antibiotics to deal with such diseases that are causing bacteria, the medication also kills the harmless bacteria. Yeast is the one which is not affected by these antibiotics, goes out of control as there are no bacteria to fight and it starts to multiply and grow greatly. Cancer medications and steroids also enable yeast to flourish. The medication taken by chronic lung patients or asthmatics also lead to this infection.
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\nTreating the Oral Thrush � Candidiasis is not generally a critical condition with the exception is that it enters into your blood and then multiplies into your organs particularly for people who have weakened immune systems. For this reason, a suspension of an antifungal prescription can be injected into the mouth and further swallowed or sometimes the physicians try a different way out. For such cases that reoccur along with crucial ones, antifungal medication is advised which can prolong for a longer period of time. On the other hand, if oral thrush is caused because of inhaled corticosteroids usage, suffer can rinse the mouth after making use of the inhaler as this will be helpful in preventing this infection.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n So actually now i have a bunch of bad bacteria in my mouth,making it their home and sht...
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\nso me getting some of it,will get rid of my tongue problem most probably,you know like france,the allies are coming(not to say they are not an army too but,at least their guns shoot on our side,as long as we dont piss them off) hahahaha they could call it NATO or something lol
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\ndoes it make sense guys? its not expensive so ill get one tomorrow,if it makes sense to you like it does to me..??\r\n

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\r\n \r\n It does make sense to take a probiotic. But if you have oral thrush I would do the medicine thing too as your mouth obviouslyis overwhelmed with this problem. The probiotics is a long term stratigie for correcting the core imbalance.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n ok one more question before i go buy anything...
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\r\n \r\n I believe that people who take antibiotics can get thrush and it kills off the good bacteria, I have heared that eating yoghurt helps with this.
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\r\n \r\n well my antibiotic will run out in a day or two,no changes yet...the mycosis thrust is still on and not going away...
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\nlets see maybe they will end up cutting my tongue,and then a doctor will come along and be like... \'\'oh if you had taken care of it imiddioutley we could have fixed it easily\'\' **** you ************ i did,useless assholes!!!
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\nok its not that bad to cut it off,i just exagerate for effect,yall know what i mean...\r\n

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\r\n \r\n often people say antibiotic when they mean antifungal. He never did tell us the name of the medicine being used. Nystatin oral is the drug of choice generally for oral thrush.\r\n

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\ni assume the next dermatologist,i plan to find one this week,will have a differend opinion on the issue,and a differend (AS ALWAYS EXPENSIVE) treatment...which i have to believe will work,even though i dont...\r\n

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\r\n \r\n OK i just came back from the emergency,i went for my hives bcuz they are becoming very annoying,but thats for another thread...
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\nAs far as my tongue goes i showed it to the doctor,he basically ignored me all the way,and when he saw it he said...you have to visit external offices for that...thank you doctor,very helpfull...
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\ni got a cortisone shot though,lets just say that junkies dont feel,what i felt a few seconds after the injection..i was like WTF :O\r\n

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\nMouthwash: I cant find anything in english,so here i post what i found.I hope its the same thing as i have,it looks like it definitly...
\nhttps://www.bodfeld-apotheke.de/aktue...taisodona.html
\nhttps://www.versandapo.de/en/9217/492...tiseptikum.htm
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\nAnd NOT a gel,BUT a liquid called: mycostatin suspension...i hope its this
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\r\n \r\n Nystatin is generally the drug of choice for oral thrush and is probably used 100,000 times a day. I hope they told you to swish and swallow. You really want to swallow it just in case there is any fungal infection down lower in the esophaugus. Do not chase it with water. Let it do its thing for a while, say 15 minutes at least. Adverse effects with nystatin are minimal. You\'ll be fine.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n hehehe well this looks good...i could probably handle it without added flavour too,i say that bcuz what they use for the flavour is surely not healthy,and im sure it does nothing for the fungus or anything really except the taste...anyway about this i should have gotten it with a perscription but i know someone so i got it for free,so no perscription,so that means i just use the directions on the info-sheet for the quantiny and the pattern of using it,basically 4-6ml 4-6 times a day,first shake the bottle well,keep the medicine as much as i can inside my mouth,move it around many times in the stomatic cavity and then swallow...
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\nthank you arrowwind for your answers and attention,thanks to all really stay safe (sexually and not :P )\r\n

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\nI finished one more gel and it made no difference whatsoever...so now im doing my own thing,and something a family member which is a holy man and a healer (not a doctor,not a priest) he cant even spell really and he lives far away from me but he gets visited from people around the world for curing and such and makes this healing \'\'stuff\'\' (i dont know which word to use) with honey(he has his own bees) and 15yrs old aloe vera,anyway to the next treatment...
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\n1. Toothbrushing often changing between 4 kinds of toothpastes,3 organic(aloe vera,tea tree oil,echinacea etc) and one commercial one,fluoride etc etc...
\n2. The betaisodona iodine mouthwash 2-3 times a day after brushing
\n3. bicarbonate of soda and water (gargle once every hour,in 5 days problem solved,my grandfather said) ( i dont think its all that simple,but we will see)
\n4. And my newest addition PROBIOTICS,here is what i got,it looks fing awesome,and it tastes nice actually to my suprise
\nhttps://www.iherb.com/Dynamic-Health-...3-ml/5703?at=0
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\nSo as far as my common sense can reach
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\ni brush few times a day to keep the whole mouth area clean,i mouthwash with iodine again clean mouth area + the iodine attacks the fungus i think/hope...soda bicarbonate attacks the fungus to strongly every hour,and the probiotic is feeding the body with friendly bacteria so paralelly minimizing the fungus bacterias colonie in me...
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\nthe fungus is attacked both externally and internally,its not fed with much sugar and (thank you arrowwind for the food chart) i avoid as much as possible all the foods that feed it,alcohol,coffees,fruits,all all all of it...and i hope that the problem will be resolved soon and guess what,no im not using any antibiotics anymore,hooray children
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\noh and im especially excited and happy about the probiotic i got,its awesome,it tastes great and when i read what benefits it offers i get hot lolz\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Aren\'t you on Nystatin too? You should be. \r\n

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\r\n \r\n Arrow you think i should add that too,together with the rest i wrote???
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\nif the answer is yes than you think i should be doing the Nystasin or the daktarin gel???\r\n

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\r\n \r\n ok i was out shopping and i couldnt wait bcuz you said if i run out of drug i should buy the next one soon as possible to not stop the treatment,so i bought the nystasin again + i bought the pill you mentioned a few posts ago,the flucozanole...
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\nUntill now its been 2 days since ive been treating like i last mentioned and my tongue is actually already clearer,so here i go ill sum up the entire treatment starting from now.!
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\n1) A salad with all kinds of veggies,tuna,apple cider vinegar and olive oil,himalayan salt and Yogurt,the yogurt i think i got a good one -' + '-> Sheep and Goats milk 100%,milk proteins,yoghurt culture
\n2) 1 pill fluconazole (1 is all i have)
\n3) Nystasin 4-6 times a day,gargle,swallow
\n4) Bicarbonate of soda garlge every hour all day,or whenever i remember as much as possible
\n5) Probiotics the one i mentioned before
\n6) Toothbrushing as much as possible with 4 differend pastes
\n7) Betaisodona(iodine) mouthwashing after every brushing
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\nok so im attacking the infection on the tongue(iodine,nystasin,soda,toothpastes),im attacking the infection directly inside (nystasin),im attacking the infection indirectly inside (yogurt,probiotic),if i dont manage to clear in 5-10 days max...im taking a glass of bleach down,in church while praying hehehe :P\r\n

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\r\n \r\n oh and as far as my immune system go,im sure \'\'he\'\' too plays a role in this,i have been using for 2 days now echincea liquid,and on the bottle there is \'\'maintenance\'\' and \'\'intensive\'\',i did the intensive which is 2ml every 2 hours for 48 hours,ive done that its been 2 days,and now i got left 2ml 3times daily for 8-9 days,by that time ill be done with the bottle and i bought a new one already which is even better(and a bit more expensive) echinacea goldenseal,and i will continue after with that one doing it as it says on the bottle maintenance which is 1ml in a small amount of water 3 times daily...i also got some vitamin c,i already had some but the one i have already has sugar and stuff added and its chewable,now i bought a new one,its capsules(triple price compared to the one i already have) which is sugar,salt and starch free,suitable for vegans it says on the box...and i also got spirulina capsules,micro algae it says on the box,and the dose is 2 capsules three to four times a day with food...
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\nim not a religious guy but,may god help...i mean i already did all i could,he gotta do something too,its only fair \r\n

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\r\n \r\n i also follow the manual about diet you posted arrow,so no sugar (including fruits),and everything else it says there...i mean i may have a bit of something im not supposed to but im trying...
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\nso is there Anything else,something i missed???\r\n

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\r\n \r\n oh garlic and onion too daily,anti this anti that kill everything in me which is not supposed to be there...
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\n2-3 spoons of raw honey daily too,also anti bacterial anti this and that...
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\nsome excersise daily also...
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\nseriousley now this thrush(arrow corrected merci :P) should nicely and quietly go away and stay quiet and scared,i mean i got an army of,stuffs,after it... \r\n

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\r\n \r\n You have such bad problems with an imbalance of good/bad bacteria that you should drop that vinegar. All vinegar.
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\nYou need to deprive the body of all yeast-containing foods. For example: cheese, leavened breads, sour cream, buttermilk, beer, wine, cider, mushrooms, soy sauce, tofu, vinegar, dried fruits, melons and frozen or canned juices.
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\nRead this https://www.sheilashea.com/candida.html
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\nThe fluconozole should be taken for at least 7 days. More is better. Fungi will return, if every cell is not destroyed. You\'ll know whether you are successful 10 days after you finish your medication.
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\nHere is some very good info on dysbiosis, a condition of overwhelming bad bacteria/fungus. https://www.crohns.net/Miva/education/dysbiosis.shtml\r\n

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