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Drack,

This guy used to be a research chemist for a pharmaceutical company and got so disgusted with the whole set up he went alternative.

Here he lets us into the reason that biphosphonate drugs, such as Fosamax and Boniva are causing fractures in an amusing and RUDE rant. After reading this you wil cringe every time you write a script for a biphosphonate drug.

https://thepeopleschemist.com/%e2%80%...-sulfur-award/
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Old 10-16-2011, 10:31 AM
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Best things for osteoporosis:

1) Bone broth
2) Regular weight bearing exercise
3) Magnesium supplements
4) Do not overeat the protein.

And sally fields still looks pretty damn hot!
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Best things for osteoporosis:

1) Bone broth
2) Regular weight bearing exercise
3) Magnesium supplements
4) Do not overeat the protein.

And sally fields still looks pretty damn hot!
And boron (Twenty Mule Team Borax is my favorite)..

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In treating osteoporosis, many doctors have overlooked one of the most critical components for supporting healthy bone matrix: the trace mineral boron. Without boron, the absorption of calcium can be limited and often underutilized.1 Researchers have concluded that boron is an essential factor in facilitating the bone-building effects of key nutrients such as calcium, magnesium, and vitamin D. Numerous studies demonstrate boron is critical to maintaining and improving one�s bone health.1 Healthy bones, however, are just the beginning of the boron story.

Despite its availability in nature, ingesting adequate amounts of boron can be difficult. For one thing, boron levels in plant foods are rather low.2 Moreover, modern dietary habits almost ensure boron deficiency, as many people do not eat nearly enough fruits and vegetables.

Ensuring healthy bones is fundamental to any anti-aging program, since weak bones can lead to disabling and even life-threatening bone fractures. Boron plays an integral part in bone metabolism, as it supports the functions of calcium, magnesium, and vitamin D, all of which are crucial to promoting dense, healthy bone tissue.6-9

Osteoarthritis is the most common form of joint disease, a source of daily pain, stiffness, and decreased range of motion for millions of Americans. Emerging research indicates that, in addition to preserving bone health, boron may help relieve the debilitating symptoms of osteoarthritis.10

See references at the site on page 2.

https://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/aug2006_aas_01.htm
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JFH, I forgot boron and silica.
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Best things for osteoporosis:

1) Bone broth
2) Regular weight bearing exercise
3) Magnesium supplements
4) Do not overeat the protein.

And sally fields still looks pretty damn hot!
And sunshine
And silica
And SULFUR
And 57 other minerals.

And I hope Sally is taking alot of Boniva.
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Old 10-16-2011, 01:37 PM
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And sunshine
And silica
And SULFUR
And 57 other minerals.

And I hope Sally is taking alot of Boniva.
I called a pharmacy about a yr or 2 ago and asked how much that drug is since it is once a month dosage. 120$ I know 2 old greek guys in their 90s, one has shrunk a little the other is 6ft 1 still. They move around and are active.
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Question for Arrowwind: Have you kids had vaccines or ever had antibiotics?
I have written on this topic before, before you were on the forum, Saved.

At the time of their scheduled vaccines we were not even in connection with a pediatrician. Although at the time I was not fully against vaccines I was limiting them. I had decided to wait till they were older to start some of the vaccinations.. I did not know all the dirty details then that I now know... this was 25 years ago.


I decided when we planned to travel extensively into Mexico that they should have the measles vaccine. They got the MMR and I lived to regret it. They also got the polio vaccine.. This was before I knew about the contamination of the vaccine with SV40 virus. Both kids had some difficulty, and it landed one in the hospital.

I will mention that when we went for the MMR neither boy had had a shot of any kind... so being the stupid mother I was at the time I figured I would show them its OK. I took the vaccine even though I knew I was immune to measles. Before I even got back to my car from the clinic I had arthritis. All my joints started to be in signficiant pain immediately. It took me a month to deal with situation and it fianlly resolved but I have been plagued with symptoms of Rhumatoid Arthritis every since, and quite severe at one point. This, too, l learned to eliminate with natural medicines. The predisposition remains. I think probably some genetic damage was done. If I dont keep on the ball with supplements it starts to come back.. but I know how to make it go away quick.

When the boys were small we did not live near any doctor that practiced natural or alternative medicine. Although when they were both very young I did have access and one homeopath which saved Travis from a hospitalizaton when I thought he might have neonatal sepsis or some terrible something. Realize that I was still pretty stupid regarding alternative medicine, especially with children and not having access to support is not helpful when you are trying to find your way through the maze with sick kids. All your fears can become hugely amplified and trying to remain objective is difficult. Travis had not eated for 3 days and had high fever at age 2.5 months... listless, dehydrated. Homeapathy cured him in 15 minutes. If it hadn't we would have gone from there directly to the hospital.

You can read my account of antibiotic use with the boys and how I finally met a doctor that saved both my sons from a terrible antibiotic fate at the link below. They remained antibiotic free all through grade school and high school as we learned to apply homeopathy and I started to discern the nature of various illnesses that kids get. Most are viral.. including those dam ear infections, that can turn fungal when antibiotics are repeately used. Sometimes a bacteria overlay can occur and even MRSA with too much antibiotic use and I have seen this in my work, but still, antibiotics generally are not required unless things get quite severe, IF you know what to do.
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to clarify.. dexa measures the BMC then divides that by the surface
area of the bone being measured providing a 2 dimensional reading,
it does not measure bone quality nor can it predict fractures since the
results depend on interpretation and since all dexa machines are
calibrated differently the error margin can be as high as 8% going
one way or the other from the 'normal' reference range set by the
dexa manufacturers

the reference range was set by measuring the peak bone mass of
healthy young women in their 30's that included a disproportionately
large number of athletic team members..this is where the T scores
come from ...and since only T-scores are used in diagnosis
it guarantees that all older women will fall into the negative range and
be diagnosed as having osteoporosis

where as the Z-score that measures BMD against the average in your
same age group,height and weight is not used for diagnoses

dexa scanning is an inexact science specifically created for the
sickness industry by the pharamceutical companies ..they have
created an epidemic of osteoporosis, medicating people whose BMD
does not fall within 'their reference range'
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Thank you Audi, that is a good find and I will try to look into it further.
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Arrowwind this is a good read https://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/sick3.html

Im speaking from experience as much as research , 10 years ago I was diagnosed with osteoporosis, they told me at age 50 I had the bones of a 90 year old and needed to be medicated immediately.
not knowing any better I went on actonel, fortunately I wasnt on it long enough for it to do damage to me (I hope) I had side effects of flu like symptoms and depression, the endocrinologist prescribed zoloft

the first thing the pharmacist did was show me a long list of side effects of zoloft, it was then my BS radar kicked in ..for every side effect the drugs have they chase it with another drug and another ...thats so lucrative for the pharma companies
I took myself of actonel and never looked back

it wasnt long after that I saw on the news ..a young mother had been prescribed zoloft for post natal depression, the side effect for her was death, yes it is uncommon thats why it made the news but thats cold comfort for her family and children.
the doctors are playing Russian roulette with peoples lives and rarely are held accountable
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Tuina: I thought it was pretty clear. I don't care what evidence the drug companies might demand from their competitors, they're in no position to decide. As for me, it boils down to what I said, the more abstract the treatment, the stronger need for hard evidence (though evidence would be required for all, and if possible, the highest quality). I think this applies to conventional and alternative medicine equally. As far as I'm aware I don't demand higher standards from alternative medicine than conventional.

I'm not too worried about not having absolute truth, that's impossible anyway. But I try to get as close as possible and work with that. Btw what exactly is wrong with statistics when trying to get objective info?
On the contrary, the drug companies are in a position to decide because they almost completely dominate governments, universities and the media. How else can it be that non-corporate practitioners are not even allowed to publish directly quoted testimonials from patients? How come there are special laws against people who protest against animal testing? How come governments bought millions of doses of quack remedy Tamiflu? How come Chinese herbal formulas came very close to being banned, and only the House of Lords managed to get a compromise, even though they are very well quality controlled in China and have an informal track record of thousands of years of safe use? How come we have corporate activists in the mass media denouncing non-corporate medicine, but not the other way round? The situation in the health business is pretty close to totalitarian, with one discourse dominating everything.

Acupuncture and NSAIDS perform pretty much the same against placebo for knee arthritis (that's leaving aside the nonsensical idea of placebo acupuncture). Acupuncture does not kill thousands of people a year. Why are NSAIDS the automatic choice? Why the difference in perception?

There are two big problems with statistics.

1: By the time information seeps down to the gutter level of the mass media, the ambiguous nature of the information is simplified to statements like 'such-and-such works'. What does this actually mean? The knowledge is highly constructed and ambiguous. A drug can have a fairly low difference against placebo and the study still be considered significant if the sample is large enough. I'm not a statistician, but let's say we had a drug performing 15% better than placebo, in a study large enough to make the result significant at 99%. That would be called a successful drug, when actually 15% is pretty poor odds.

Example: a car mechanic comes up with a theory that cars failing to start is caused by Battery Depletion Syndrome. After torturing a few motorbikes for no particular reason, he does a trial on cars. He uses placebo jump-leads on 1000 cars and real jump-leads on 1000 cars. 100 of the placebo cars start anyway, and 115 of the experimental group cars start. Great result! 15% better than placebo in a large trial! But a bit tough if you're one of the 885 cars that didn't have a flat battery. OK, you might need to change the numbers a bit to get the example to work, but do you get it?

2. Real, vibrant health and happiness comes from the development of consciousness, interpersonal ethics, and body awareness. Real understanding of what health actually is can only come from our own, personal self-development. I can feel what is going on in my internal organs just as clearly as you can feel when you need to urinate (or do you need statistics for that too?). Without that, we are walking blindfolded with only the voice of an extremely suspect industrial power to guide us. Statistics are the blindfold. Remember the analogy I gave early on about children trying to understand sexuality by speculating about it? Using statistics to try and understand health is exactly like that.

I have a patient who phoned me yesterday. He was very indignant against the idea that part of my treatments is to help his general health, because he'd been to a doctor, breathed into a tube, and been told he was in perfect health. He has severe insomnia, chronic back pain, severe depression, and a slow, tight, irregular pulse. He's had a heart bypass. Would you say he was in perfect health?
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2. Real, vibrant health and happiness comes from the development of consciousness, interpersonal ethics, and body awareness. Real understanding of what health actually is can only come from our own, personal self-development.
tunia,
I fully agree with this. So much of my personal experience revolves around this type of learning... in the 13 years between leaving home and going to nursing school especially. Lots of time spent in developing body awareness and awakening my consciousness. Getting past programming from family and institutions and media. Recreating my personal paradigm to support health and personal prosperity... and by prosperity I mean developing the capacity to create within my own circle of self all that I need to unfold my spiritual path for this life. It took me to places most people do not go. And along the way I found many teachers who took the time to help me open doors of perception. It landed me at this date, in a very positive place, where my unfoldment continues.

In order to command your reality with full awake consciousness you must break down ALL the paradigms that restrict. You can chip at it in pieces, but eventually you see that there is only one great paradigm designed to control you and all of your perceptions... which imprisons your mind body spirit complex and keeps it from its potential.

The current world paradigm mandates that you do not feel or think to deeply. Children are not taught about the power that resides in their body and in their consciousness. Much is done to dumb them down.. and with the inherited dullness provided by parents each generation is suceptible to darker perception and fear and intimidation and false beliefs that seal the cage they reside in unless they choose differently.

There are ways to break out. There are many ways to break out. But you really have to want to and you have to call to your freedom and when the opportunity comes to escape you must walk through the door no matter how scary or foreign it appears.

Over the years, many hundreds of people have passed under my hands of care. They have had lots of different kinds of disease. But what I saw was that ultimately the primary disease is lack of vision and freedom. Those who develop vision, who can glimpse a truth, have the best chance of saving themselves and restoring true health. These people are few and far between but I have met a few. They have a light in their eyes that reveals their connection to their true self.

I understand what you say when you can percieve all of your organs.. I can pretty much to that also. There have been a few things that have stumped me but by and large I can sense inactivity, sluggishness, hyperactivity. I bet the Chinese have lots of words for the different levels of activity in an organ. I have been able to "see" disease as well as see the path to healing, if it be a change in diet, and herb, a vitamin, a change if belief structure or shifing the energy in my environment or body. Im certainly no master. Sometimes I wait a long time for the answer which has ususally been right under my noise but I did not see. Most people dont even know where their stomach is and cannot tell what organ hurts, never mind why it could possibly hurt. .... these people, the vast majority, require care that they are capable of comprehending. Therefore only people who are wanting to open doors will walk into your office. If they should enter there by mistake they will soon leave.

Yet bringing this level of understanding is not an easy thing to do as people have to want to evolve in this direction. Most do not want to.
Qi Gong certanily is one way. There are a number of systems of perception that offer this opportunity to various levels.

and for those who do not want to there is conventional medicine, and alternative medicine also, as most of alternative medicine is not at that level either.... but it holds a potential. When one false belief falls others often follow with it.
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Hubby was prescribed Zoloft once, he took one and flushed the rest down the toilet, said it made him feel as if he was going to go off his head, and that was only one pill.
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I can't believe there aren't drug commercials in Norway, I wish it were that way here. Drug commercials make up about 25% of all our commercials.
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I can't believe there aren't drug commercials in Norway, I wish it were that way here. Drug commercials make up about 25% of all our commercials.
I was shocked to find out that there are adverts for prescription drugs in the US! I was looking up websites on Tamiflu and found their commercial site. It's aimed at the public and lists loads of extremely vague and dubious claims - with a picture of a ticking clock to scare people into taking it!

The single shocking fact that there are adverts for prescription drugs should be enough to prove to anyone that the industry and its government servants are ruled by greed and power, not reason or compassion.

On the other hand, because corporate medicine in the UK is promoted entirely by the State and insurance companies and mass media commentators, the corporations can appear to distance themselves from it, which makes it look more rational and objective. Very clever marketing.
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