I had my NDE at 12 years of age. On leaving my body I went into black swirling clouds, but I was not frightened. I then went onto a most beautiful place where the colors were alive and dancing - words fail to convey the magic of my experience.
On the subject of hell like NDE's, I believe this is what is projected from the consciousness of the person having the NDE. Take our dreams for example - we create the dreamworld we enter into when the physical body sleeps! So I believe we create the NDE experience we have.
Their are some cracking NDE's on You Tube, Pam Reynolds NDE is, in my opinion, proof of life after death.
Pam Reynolds Lowery from Atlanta, Georgia was an American singer-songwriter. In 1991, at the age of 35, she had a near-death experience (NDE) during a brain operation. Her NDE is one of the most notable and best documented in NDE research.
During "standstill" operation, Pam's brain was found "dead" by all three clinical tests - her electroencephalogram was silent, her brain-stem response was absent, and no blood flowed through her brain which left her clinically dead. Interestingly, while in this state, she encountered the "deepest" NDE of all.
She made several observations about the procedure which later were confirmed by medical personnel as surprisingly accurate.
Pamela Reynolds Lowery died of heart failure at the age of 53 (1956 -- May 22, 2010)
Also The Scole Experiment is worth watching - especially for sceptics!
See the thread in General Discussions!!!
you are entitled to believe what ever you wish but you don't have to be rude to non believers , fair enough?
by the way it was science that proved the earth to be round
Yes, but science is never settled.
"Settled science" is an oxymoron, and anyone who characterizes science as "settled" or "indisputable" is ignorant not only of science, but also history and philosophy.
Aristotle, who lived and wrote in the fourth century B.C., was one of the greatest geniuses the world has ever known.
He invented the discipline of logic, and founded the sciences of ecology and biology.
Aristotle's physics were accepted as correct for nearly two thousand years. In 1534, faculty at the University of Paris officially asserted that the works of Aristotle were "the standard and basis of all philosophic enquiry." Reasonable Reservations
Aristotle taught that heavy objects fall faster than light ones. Over the centuries, a few unreasonable persons expressed skeptical concerns.
But the consensus was that the physics of motion were described by Aristotle's dicta. The science was settled.
Around the year 1591, an irascible young instructor at the University of Pisa demonstrated that Aristotle was wrong.
He climbed to the top of the tower of Pisa and dropped cannonballs of unequal weight that hit the ground simultaneously. Aristotelean professors on the faculty were embarrassed.
The university administration responded by not renewing Galileo's contract, thus ridding themselves of a troublemaker who challenged the accepted consensus.
Galileo is better remembered today for clashing with the Catholic Church over the issue of whether or not the Earth was at the center of the universe.
An Earth-centered cosmology was first proposed by the Greek philosopher Eudoxus in the fourth century B.C. Impious Aristarchus
About a hundred years later, an upstart named Aristarchus suggested that the Earth revolved around the sun. Aristarchus' system never proved popular, and he was criticized for being impious.
The Earth-centered system was finalized by Claudius Ptolemy in the second century A.D., and remained unchallenged until the sixteenth century.
Everyone knew that the science of astronomy had been settled "beyond dispute." When Galileo insisted that the Earth revolved around the sun, he was castigated by the church for advocating an idea that was not only heretical, but also "foolish and absurd in philosophy."
Late in the seventeenth century, Isaac Newton demonstrated definitively that Aristotle's physics were incorrect.
He proposed the Law of Universal Gravitation, and explained how the planets move around the sun in elliptical orbits.
Newton is still regarded as the greatest scientist who ever lived. He settled the science of motion in such a conclusive way that his system was referred to as an "invincible edifice."
But the edifice crumbled early in the twentieth century when Einstein showed that Newtonian physics break down as the speed of light is approached.
Near the beginning of the nineteenth century, the Neptunian School of geology taught that all rocks had formed by crystallization from a now-vanished universal ocean.
Although the evidence falsifying this theory was both plain and abundant, Neptunists interpreted every observation as supportive of their hypothesis.
Blinded by an immoderate zeal, they selected and magnified any fact in accordance with their theory, while neglecting those that tended to disprove it.
Robert Jameson characterized the evidence supporting Neptunism as "incontrovertible."
But the theory collapsed in a few decades, and today is recognized as an artifact of inexhaustible human folly. The End Of History?
President Obama, a lawyer and politician, would now have us believe that the process of history has stopped.
For the first time, scientific knowledge is not provisional and subject to revision, but final and settled.
Skepticism, which has been the spur to all innovation and human progress, is unacceptable and must be condemned.
But in fact, it is our awareness of what we do not know that determines our scientific level.
Socrates was the wisest man, not because he knew more than others, but because he was the only one to recognize that he did not know.
Knowledge begins with skepticism and ends with conceit.
So Audi, I'm ok with you being a Atheist, but remember, Atheism is the faith based religion that there is no master deity anywhere in the vast universe. Until you can prove it, your assumption is based on faith.
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Dogs In The Afterlife:
American Bryce Bond was taken seriously ill and in the process of this underwent a NDE.
He remembered suddenly passing through a long tunnel toward a beautiful light...
"I hear a bark and racing toward me is a dog I once had, a black poodle named Pepe. When I see him, I feel an emotional floodgate open. Tears fill my eyes. He jumps into my arms, licking my face. As I hold him, he is real, more real than I had ever experienced him. I can smell him, feel him, hear his breathing and sense his great joy at being with me again...
I feel the presence of my dog around me as I ponder these two questions. Then I hear barking and other dogs appear, dogs I once had. As I stand there in what seems an eternity I want to embrace and be absorbed and merge. I want to stay. The sensation of not wanting to come back is overwhelming."
But he did come back, because it wasn't yet his 'time'.
The doctor told him that he had been 'dead' for over ten minutes.
An extract from a NDE account given by a lady called Mary
'Horses and dogs were playing together and when they stopped they seemed to stare a hole through me and then went back to playing.
I was told they were checking to see if I was the person they were waiting for that had loved them while on earth...'
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An extract from a NDE account given by a lady called Mary
'Horses and dogs were playing together and when they stopped they seemed to stare a hole through me and then went back to playing.
I was told they were checking to see if I was the person they were waiting for that had loved them while on earth...'
That is going to be a lot of pets...
I imagine if they are all there waiting it's going to be quite the reunion.
Same for people. It might be like one of those huge reunion bar-b-qs last for 800 years just to say hi to everyone again!
"To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success. "
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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�Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.� Sir Winston Churchill
In the cartoon Locked Horns Loretta has an automobile accident and a near death experience. Her comment: Oh it was awful. My whole life flashed before me and I didn't like one thing I wore.
On the subject of hell like NDE's, I believe this is what is projected from the consciousness of the person having the NDE. Take our dreams for example - we create the dreamworld we enter into when the physical body sleeps! So I believe we create the NDE experience we have.
What an absolutely lovely way to think.. I like that very much.
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The art of medicine consists of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease
I imagine if they are all there waiting it's going to be quite the reunion.
Same for people. It might be like one of those huge reunion bar-b-qs last for 800 years just to say hi to everyone again!
I've actually thought about this possibility and I plan to say "excuse me just a few minutes" and then sneak away and get as far from them as possible. The last thing I want to do is go over why I did this and that and remember when -- for what would seem like an eternity. But then again, maybe that is a Sartre-style hell.
Spirits Reunited:
A gentleman named Dave approached me at a book-signing event in Seattle to tell me about a shared death experience he'd had with his wife several years earlier.
She had just completed a round of chemotherapy and was not feeling well. There was no reason to expect her to die anytime soon, said Dave, which is why he was so surprised to 'hear' her voice as he stood in the kitchen.
"I knew she was dying because I could 'hear' her talking directly into my ear," he said. "She was saying, 'I've just died, but that's okay. Everything is fine. Please don't worry.' "
Dave walked into the bedroom and found what he feared: his wife lying dead in bed.
What he didn't expect to see was his wife's mother (in spirit), leaning over her daughter and welcoming her to the other side.
"Her mother had died thirty years earlier, and I saw their bond renew right before my eyes," said Dave. The mother and daughter hugged and then "swirled up and out of the room."
It was a great relief to Dave , who said that there was cheerfulness in his wife's voice that "lifts me up and keeps me going every day."
-Extract from 'Glimpses of Eternity' by Dr Raymond Moody
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