I heard that Bruce got booted from HealthSalon. Just a nasty guy. Squawking with no meaningful argument.
He does have a product market to protect doesn't he?
Please don't wish Bruce upon us here. This is a kinder, gentler place. He is trying to market a standardized oxygen type product (5% sodium chlorite). That market is already saturated. He claims to have an issue with anything greater than 5%. He claims that sodium chlorite / chlorine dioxide should not be used internally.
And he is very incoherent in his postings.
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"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?" �Will Rogers
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But already resistance is being seen to Tamiflu, a pill that can be taken to treat symptoms and also to prevent infection.
Lina's team tested more than 2,600 samples of flu viruses from patients in Europe and found baffling patterns of this resistance that appeared to have nothing to do with actual use of Tamiflu.
Yes, these boneheads think that a virus does not change. It is common knowlege that virus changes frequently yet they try to delude us into thinking that one medicine will work, will work for ever, needs to be mass produced and stock piled, lending to a false sense of security to nations and individuals and of course to lots of money into the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies and corrupt politicians like Rumsfeld.
If you want to survive a bad flu you need three things. A strong immune system and two kinds of medicine, one that has disinfectant qualities like GSE, Oil of Oregano, MMS, olive leaf extract and a medicine that can immediately kick the immune system into action such as Astragalus root, large doses of Vitamin C.
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If you want to survive a bad flu you need three things. A strong immune system and two kinds of medicine, one that has disinfectant qualities like GSE, Oil of Oregano, MMS, olive leaf extract and a medicine that can immediately kick the immune system into action such as Astragalus root, large doses of Vitamin C.
I have used both Grapefruit Seed Extract and Oil of Oregano for many years, but nothing works as effectively as MMS! PERIOD! :-)
Heavy MMS Disease Fighting Protocol--Still Get Cold Sores
I WAS ON 15 PER DAY AND SETTLED BETTER BUT NOT IMPROVING. <snip>ANYBODY FOLLOW THE WHOLE PATH WITH RESULTS TO REPORT.
Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 455125
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I followed the recommended protocol (mostly) as a healthy person when I first started MMS last November to learn more about its safety and affects on my own body before telling anyone else about it. Since I was healthy, I was up to 15 drops twice a day by the third day, and the second week took 15+ drops three times most days. I had a couple Big D purges with related side-effects, and was a little worn out after those couple weeks without vitamin C or any other suppliments. I did notice after a few days that night-time urination was more powerful (cleaned up my prostate) and that my hypoglycemic issues disappeared (cleaned up my pancreas). Not bad for not expecting it could help these!
However, I have always gotten cold sores from various stresses, and I had hoped that after my initial heavy MMS and daily maintenance doses thereafter of 10-15 drops before bed every night would finally kill that virus--but today inside my lip I once again have yet another cold sore from too much sun and heat stress.
Anyway, I have now cut myself back to a few drops a couple times a week for maintenance. Oh, and I have been taking a probiotic capsule about once a week for the past few months just to make sure I've got all the good bacteria I need after any MMS purging. I feel good, but I felt good to start with too. However, I AM READY FOR NASTY BUGS NOW!!
BTW: I have had friends and family members use MMS to kill flu/cold viruses, and even serious MRSA infections. MMS WORKS!
I have to say I far from doubt the effects of MMS. Quite the opposite. In my case it may have worked a little too well and caused quite the cleansing crisis. While even days since I last took it have past, I still have mild connective tissue pains in the left side of my mouth and face. I know I have a lot of stress in that area from tests so it seems to fit the bill.
I reckon the MMS was just helping my body o what it felt was necessarry and pushing the toxic metals out of there as fast as it could. Unfotunately it was a little too good for me is all and caused me a lot of pain.
Incidently I posted in the general discussion forums about it. But I will quote my post here for those who havent already seen it.
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Originally Posted by Lodestar
I would just like to ask around the forum users here if they are familar with any pain management supplements to take for connective tissue pain.
During my detox of the last year and a half I have found that my connective tissue is very stressed and full of toxins. I have found a great deal seems to be around my Teeth, Mouth and Jaw area thugh certainly not exclusive to there.
I can handle a few aches and pains and twinges but I have encountered a very acute and immense pain around there that no off the shelf painkiller can cope with. I have tried taking alot of Serrolone but that hasnt been very effective in that area either.
I find the pain starts in my teeth like sensitive teeth but soon spreads and my whole jaw and mouth become painful. There seems to be a sequence of painful spots that actually as things get on go all around my head.
This has happened twice now most recently in the last week and I found the only thing I can do is simply stop taking my supplements that my nutrionalist prescribed to me.
The first time this happened was when I was bathing daily in Magnesium Chloride Oil. And the second time was after 3 weeks of taking MMS. I had got ppast all the Nausia and such and was able to take 15 drops without feeling really sick but I did notice as I went up what felt like sensitive teeth got worse until I realised it was a repeat episode of over a year ago. I stopped taking everything but the MMS but only noticed a slight decrease in the pain. I figured while what was happening meant the toxins that are in those areas are being removed very quickly and that was a good thing, it was no use trying to carry on if it was too painful. We all have limits! (in fact I was reduced to thrashing around and gasping).
What this tells me is that MMs is very effective at boosting the immune system and secondly this is simply something my body is trying to do to heal itself. I wont get better if I do nothing and I am not the kind of person to do that anyway. I plan to try and see if I can release these toxins in a more tolerable rate but I wonder if anyone here knows of any effective pain releif for this? I would be very appreciative of any feedback and it would likely aid me in more effectively healing myself more quickly if I can find ways of coping with the pain.
Id just like to add further to the situation I have tried both Bromeleine AND serrolone and neither are working with this particular pain. Im not sure what that means exactly but it would indicate something about the type of pain. I thought it may hint at the toxic metals stuck in there or the actual pathogens that are being released bound up in the metals.
I have considered taking the MMS again at a smaller dose but as it started the painful episode I am somewhat reluctant. Im sure once the MMS has done its work there the source of the pain would cease in much the same way as the nausea. But those more familar with MMS may know better about that.
Small doses over a longer time are more prudent if healthy
Hi Lodestar,
I had some pain a few times in my front teeth (nothing like yours though) which have been crowned for almost 50 years due to tooth fracture in a fight as a boy. I hadn't associated this with MMS, but since I recently greatly cut back my quantity and frequency of maintenance MMS, I can't remember having this occassional pain.
Anyway, there is no hurry to cleanse your system unless you have a fatal illness. So just take a few drops a few days per week over a long period of time instead of sickness doses, unless you get the tooth/jaw pains again--then cut back even more!
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Originally Posted by Lodestar
I have considered taking the MMS again at a smaller dose but as it started the painful episode I am somewhat reluctant. Im sure once the MMS has done its work there the source of the pain would cease in much the same way as the nausea. But those more familar with MMS may know better about that.
Thats interesting isnt it? As I say any kind of immune system kick of late seems to have done this. My guess is it could have something to do with the mercury in the teeth still left over. Though since this episode I resumed my health regime and the swelling in my gum began again. Not painful and other teeth that havent even had fillings have had minor pain like my front teeth. Im not worried by this now though.
Im told that the teeth gums and Jaw are a massive toxic metal site as are knees and other joints, hence athritis and the like. Makes sense. And therefore amalgam fillings are just going to compund this.
Ill resume the MMS in maintenace amonuts soon and see how it goes. Im also going to have the filled teeth checked again by abother dentist. The reason being that mercury from the fillings can cause "tatooing" to your teeth as the colour can run.
I started this MMS 9 days ago with the hopes of curing or at least arresting my hep C , mainly because the mainstream cure for my 'hidden monster' is 48 weeks of hell-drugs [interferon coctail] which only offers me less than a 50% chance of recovery for big $'s.
I have always been a skeptic of most things...alternative and mainstream and have done my own research on this MMS, taking what I read with a huge grain of salt, especially when people make these miracle claims of cures without backing them up with facts.
Therefore, I have gone into this with some baseline facts [blood tests provided by mainstream labs]. The main indicators of my liver condition by a blood test taken 2 weeks ago reveal AST 63 and ALT 77 [has been slowly increasing since I was diagnosed 7 yrs ago]. Ultrasound revealed liver is normal in size, but diffuse coarsening of liverparenachymal, which 'could be early cirrhotic change'. Scared me into alternative!!
In a couple of days [day 11] I will repeat my ALT/AST test and post results. If it shows increase, I will seriously reconsider this MMS. If it is the same or goes down, then I will continue treatment and get tested on a 2 week schedule.
So far, I reached 12 drops 2x a day and maxed out with severe nausea and cut back to 8 drops and increasing to 9...tomorrow 10 drops.
I want to BELIEVE and am HOPEFULL, but still skeptical until I SEE it working!! SHOW ME A MIRACLE!
Wish us [all] success!!
Someone came to me last night to thank me for helping her with MMS. Her daughter had not been well for a long time. Tests showed two versions of mono titer. She is quite well after several weeks of mms. Now I am working to help them get off the stuff. They are afraid that if they stop it will come back.
I started this MMS 9 days ago with the hopes of curing or at least arresting my hep C , mainly because the mainstream cure for my 'hidden monster' is 48 weeks of hell-drugs [interferon coctail] which only offers me less than a 50% chance of recovery for big $'s.
I have always been a skeptic of most things...alternative and mainstream and have done my own research on this MMS, taking what I read with a huge grain of salt, especially when people make these miracle claims of cures without backing them up with facts.
Therefore, I have gone into this with some baseline facts [blood tests provided by mainstream labs]. The main indicators of my liver condition by a blood test taken 2 weeks ago reveal AST 63 and ALT 77 [has been slowly increasing since I was diagnosed 7 yrs ago]. Ultrasound revealed liver is normal in size, but diffuse coarsening of liverparenachymal, which 'could be early cirrhotic change'. Scared me into alternative!!
In a couple of days [day 11] I will repeat my ALT/AST test and post results. If it shows increase, I will seriously reconsider this MMS. If it is the same or goes down, then I will continue treatment and get tested on a 2 week schedule.
So far, I reached 12 drops 2x a day and maxed out with severe nausea and cut back to 8 drops and increasing to 9...tomorrow 10 drops.
I want to BELIEVE and am HOPEFULL, but still skeptical until I SEE it working!! SHOW ME A MIRACLE!
Wish us [all] success!!
Hi expat! This is great, that you can do the blood tests every 2 weeks! I am anxious to hear your results. AND I wish you success.
For me, after trying MMS on and off for several months, my AST and ALT have gone up slightly. No big jump, but still disappointing.
Hi VFH,
Glad to know there is someone else out there doing the same as me. Can I ask you exactly what your numbers are and were [before and after MMS]...ALT/AST and genotype and how long between tests and most importantly what your MMS regemin was? These are the important facts that WE must share to prove [or disprove] that this MMS works or not for our condition.
Also, bare in mind that ALT/AST can vary thruout the day, week, month and depends on many other factors other than Hep-C. Diet, excercise, etc...
Please share details so that WE can determine what's going on....
I'll do same
EX
I am currently living in Sweden, and it has been quite a different experience as far as the medical system goes. It is not so easy to get tests done whenever you want. Just getting an appointment with the dr. can take (what it seems to me coming from the USA) forever. So my test before starting MMS was not "right" before... and also here they use a different measuring system which I still haven't figured out how to convert, but here are my numbers...
I started MMS near end of March '08... got up to 15 drops 3x a day but had to drop down to 8 to 10 drops sometimes 3 x a day, sometimes just twice... for about 6 weeks. Then went to 8 to 10 drops 1 x before bed for a couple of weeks. I then developed some pain in my abdomen and stopped MMS. I am still having tests and seeing drs to see if they can find what this pain is... 2 months later and nothing found yet.
Anyway, my last test before starting MMS was in Nov of 07, about 4 months before starting. So I realize not a very scientific account, but I had still hoped for lower numbers.
On Nov. 26, 2007 my AST 1.20 (should be less than 0.76) ALT 1.88 (should be less than 1.20)
on June 2, 2008 AST 1.34 (up .14) ALT 2.03 (up .15)
I am planning to restart MMS again in the next couple of weeks but this time unactivated. I'll try to keep better notes this time.
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