Cancer being a fermentive metabolism likes sodium. So it does not make sense to take baking soda for cancer. Dr. Max Gerson used a solution of 4 different potassium compounds based on 100 experiments (on cancer patients), the goal being to get potassium back into cells. The potassium leaves the cell and sodium goes in. This is due to some sort of breakdown of the sodium-potassium pump. See his book A Cancer Therapy- Results of 50 cases. He also eliminated all sodium from the diet and exposure (sea water swimming). He gave this K compound in the daily juices (12) which alternated green and carrot/apple. Also added iodine.
After taking all that sodium I would imagine he would really need some potassium.
Not sure what you are asking about sodium vs chlorine. Are you asking if the baking soda breaks down to release sodium? If so yes it does.
If baking soda makes no impact why is it that when people take it the ph of the urine changes?
I already explained that
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Let's say that someone ingests baking soda to try and cure their cancer. If they ingest it what does it come in to contact with? Stomach acid, which ends up forming sodium chloride (table salt) and carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide mixed with water forms carbonic acid. Acid, acid, acid.
Maybe the alkaline boost is from the acid stimulating the release of bicarbonate from the pancreas. Since there is more bicarbonate released than there is acid there is an alkaline effect.
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In Vernons testimonial on his BS treatment he stresses the need to take potassium.
Is Sodium Bicarbonate to sodium
the same a Chlorine dioxide is to chlorine?
Yes. When it ever breaks down (unbinds). As I already explained.
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Let's say that someone ingests baking soda to try and cure their cancer. If they ingest it what does it come in to contact with? Stomach acid, which ends up forming sodium chloride (table salt) and carbon dioxide.
Hi, I agree about the milk. But what is a Kagan machine? I'm a firm believer in drinking as much water as possible. Is this the best? Thanks for any advice.
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Let's say that someone ingests baking soda to try and cure their cancer. If they ingest it what does it come in to contact with? Stomach acid, which ends up forming sodium chloride (table salt) and carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide mixed with water forms carbonic acid. Acid, acid, acid.
Maybe the alkaline boost is from theacid stimulating the release of bicarbonate from the pancreas.Since there is more bicarbonate released than there is acid there is an alkaline effect."
Well it seems to me that you have talked yourself right into the alkaline effect of taking baking soda. Just becasue it did not happen in a direct path does not mean that it did not happen.
Fact of the matter is we do not understand the mechanism as to why urine becomes alkaline when taking baking soda. We can only theorize here.
If the urine becomes alkaline it is natual to assume that where urine comes from, blood, is more alkaline. Although urine is concentrated from the blood, it may indicate that the blood only changes very slightly. We know it could not change much due to the negative health effects seen when it gets over 7.45.
If someones blood ph is hanging out around 7.25 or 7.30 or so there may not be significant signs of acidosis. Perhaps only a slight shift is required to make a significant change to the life of pathogens, maybe only a .10 or a .05 is needed.
Without studies we cannot know. We do know that buffering systems can get stressed and gradually break down. How many cans of coke a day and for how long to start mild acidosis with system breakdown to create a fraction of a point in blood ph shift downward? How many courses of antibiotics? The more antibiotics taken the more the nontarget pathogens thrive - ie fungus, aspergillus, resistant strains, etc. and they certainly can cause an acid environment. I would assume microbes are very sensitive to ph change, even a fracition of a point.
I guess the arguement as to wheter SB when ingested orally actually makes the blood somewhat alkaline is disturbing to me as it has been common knowledge in the medical field for a long time. I have had patients who took bicarb pills for this exact effect...just one of those things you don't really question as it is so routine and I never gave it any thought that it could not be true. So this forced me to pub med to look at studies regarding the ORAL ingestion of sodium bicarb.
Oral bicarb is sometimes given to dialysis patients to reduce systemic acidosis.
I found out that athletes take oral sodium bicarb to increase performace by reducing acid. Although all studies to not show it is effective in performance the studies do show increased ph with ingestion.
This pubmed study regarding oral SB ingestion shows that ph blood ph is increased. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14766777
In conclusion, NaHCO(3) ingestion was shown to increase plasma pH at rest, which resulted in a delayed onset of intracellular acidification during incremental exercise. Conversely, NaHCO(3) was not associated with increased [Lac(-)](pl) accumulation or PCr breakdown.
and here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11932569
CONCLUSION: NaHCO3 ingestion resulted in a small muscle alkalosis but had no effect on muscle metabolism or intense endurance exercise performance in well-trained men.
I guess I am done arguing about whether sodium bicarb makes the blood alkaline or not.... and expecially since I had created a post with about 5 other studies that demonstrated elevate blood ph levels with ingestion, that my computer dumped before I could get it posted. I certainly do not undertand all the mechinisms related but it has been common knowledge in the medical field for a long long time to the point that no one really questions it, even when given orally.
Aside from the obvious that has been common knowledge in the medical field, I put quite a bit of trust in Dr Sircus.
Well it seems to me that you have talked yourself right into the alkaline effect of taking baking soda. Just becasue it did not happen in a direct path does not mean that it did not happen.
Fact of the matter is we do not understand the mechanism as to why urine becomes alkaline when taking baking soda. We can only theorize here.
If the urine becomes alkaline it is natual to assume that where urine comes from, blood, is more alkaline.
Yes I realize what I was saying. I still do not believe that an alkaline environment will kill cancer cells. There must be something else.
The urine exposes many toxins and substances that the body does not require. Take the displaced bromide and fluorine from iodine therapy. And pharmaceutical drugs. Doesn't mean it stays in the blood.
And I'm definitely not convinced that Simoncini's therapy works. Certainly not in all cases, with deaths included. https://www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_i...ungus/21160738 I'd rather use ascorbic acid IVs. Although my first choice would be ozone.
The baking soda protocol uses a heating method to mix the baking soda with molasses, as I recall reading. Heating sodium bicarbonate produces sodium carbonate, which is a sodium salt of carbonic acid. Sodium bicarbonate is NaHCO3. Sodium carbonate is Na2CO3 Carbonic acid is a weak acid that is created when carbon dioxide (CO2) is dissolved in water (H2O), resulting in the chemical formula H2CO3. Notice the O3 (ozone) in these chemicals. Carbonate can increase the half life of ozone, so that O3, in sodium carbonate will last longer. Oxygen will not kill cancer. Ozone will. I need to research this further, since I'm just not going to believe that alkaline kills cancer. After all, Simoncini says that cancer is a fungus, which is highly dubious. Looking at pictures or under a microscope one should see that cancer does not even look like fungus. Fungi have cell walls, cancer cells have cell membranes. Candida is a yeast that transforms into fungus in the presence of alkaline. Point being, that it thrives in an alkaline environment.
If my theory is true, what can cause carbonic acid to release the ozone (O3)? Is ozone released when cabonic acid encounters sodium bicabonate? Those are questions that I will need to answer for myself. After all, a few people have recovered from cancer with this BS (sic) process. I think I already answered why the BS kills. The osmotic pressure. In that case, so could acid.
RCannon reminded us that cancer is a "fermentative metabolism". Fermentation is defined as an energy yielding process whereby organic molecules serve as both electron donors and electron acceptors. The molecule being metabolized does not have all its potential energy extracted from it. In other words, it is not completely oxidized. This would indicate, to me, that the bicarbonate or the sodium or the sodium bicarbonate most likely rushes the oxidation process as does ozone therapy.
I am familiar with Marc Sircus in regards to his bicarbonate of sodium work. However, he uses Warburg as examples. He says, "Cancer cells cannot survive in the presence of high levels of oxygen." I don't agree with that. Warburg gets misinterpreted a lot. Warburg never claimed that cancer was caused from a lack of oxygen. What he said is that cancer cells are anaerobic, and will continue to ferment regardless of whether oxygen is present or not. Check out this if you are interested further. https://www.tbiomed.com/content/7/1/2 This principle can be seen with baking yeast. These are also anaerobic microbes. Yet they do their job despite their exposure to oxygen. Anaerobic cells are not affected by the presence of oxygen. They just utilize the available oxygen differently leading to a lowered ATP production.
I'm not trying to cure cancer. I'm trying to refute the myth that pH plays such a big role in our health. The mythical claims that bad pathogens cannot live in an alkaline environment, and that we should try to maintain a diet that will make our bodies alkaline, or drink alkaline waters, or take baking soda. Test tube studies do not correlate to real life.
Yes I realize what I was saying. I still do not believe that an alkaline environment will kill cancer cells. There must be something else.
And I'm definitely not convinced that Simoncini's therapy works. Certainly not in all cases, with deaths included. https://www.123hjemmeside.dk/cancer_i...ungus/21160738 I'd rather use ascorbic acid IVs. Although my first choice would be ozone.
I'm not trying to cure cancer. I'm trying to refute the myth that pH plays such a big role in our health. The mythical claims that bad pathogens cannot live in an alkaline environment, and that we should try to maintain a diet that will make our bodies alkaline, or drink alkaline waters, or take baking soda. Test tube studies do not correlate to real life.
Well, Simoncini's theory does work at times in some cancers. No, all his patients do not survive... also many of his patients come to him fully chemoed and radiated so that significantly decreases their chances.
Niether has IV ascorbic acid been reliable in curing cancer and I have a list of friends who are now dead from cancer who used it diligently.
I do not think that there will ever be one single thing that cures cancer. The raising of the PH as I said before may or may not be the cause of the death of cancer in these cases that cured. It may simply be an indicator that the body somehow is put in a position where a number of things could be going on to bring the success. But clearly, the shift in ph was the desired goal for those who experiment with this, and that, for some people is associated with the desired effect, a cure.
I would not say that pathogens cannot live in an alkaline environment either, but I would suggest that a shift in terrain might precipate their doom if they cannot adjust quickly enough. The study of polymorphism is quite interesting.
Did you watch the video Dan posted from Germany regarding the observations of dark field microscopes? They have some incredible visualizations of disease. I'll bring the link here in a minute. This really is a gem. https://www.grayfieldoptical.com/symbiosis_or_parasitism.html
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JFH, when you mentioned that Vernon was on those two drugs, finasteride and that other, I was surprised and went looking for it at his website. Eventually I found mention of it.. I did correspond with him regarding this issue and I just got a reply.
he wrote it up in his blog. https://phkillscancer.com/emails-from...id-finasteride
He was on a large list of drugs, which I would expect, being that he was under doctors' care. Just imagine the multitude of side effects from those drugs. I feel for the guy. It appears that he is doing remarkably well now. I'm glad he has most likely helped a lot of people.
I'm not giving up on the quest to find out how the baking soda does its work. I know that normal people would say how great it is, and just take it. After all, it is harmless. Right? But I'm not normal. If I had to take it, I would, and all the while, I would still be hunting for an answer.
I wish his diary/study was a little more controlled, so we could see just how much the baking soda really did help. I say the same for the other person's quest.
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