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Old 11-26-2012, 07:08 AM
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Very nicely written!

I don't know exactly how Medicare works yet, but what about something like single payer Medicare across the board?
We could save billions & billions yearly by eliminating megacorp insurance vendors, but *sigh* our governmental officials would lose all that bribe money....
A single payer system is just a fancy, sleazy way of saying government monopoly.

Monopolies always give you worse service. Especially when they are government controlled.

Government helped created our horrible healthcare system and made it super expensive, so why would you want them to "fix it"?
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That's true, but what if a non-governmental group organized a new (single payer) system. I wonder if that could work.
Deductions from our paychecks don't all go to the same place as it is.. Funds would have to come from the government, but it could be in the same catagory as how they budget/promise billions & billions of dollars to go toward overseas humanitarian aid.
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That's true, but what if a non-governmental group organized a new (single payer) system. I wonder if that could work.
Deductions from our paychecks don't all go to the same place as it is.. Funds would have to come from the government, but it could be in the same catagory as how they budget/promise billions & billions of dollars to go toward overseas humanitarian aid.
By single payer, I think you mean monopoly. This may be new information to some of you, but monopolies can only exist with government. So, a non-government organization could not create a monopoly. I know this sounds a little strange to some of you, because you were taught the exact opposite in school.

https://mises.org/community/forums/p/25081/425498.aspx



Medicine and healthcare cost plummet without government interference.


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Actually, going back and reading your post, what you are describing is a government controlled monopoly.
"Funds would have to come from the government,"
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By single payer, I think you mean monopoly. This may be new information to some of you, but monopolies can only exist with government. So, a non-government organization could not create a monopoly. I know this sounds a little strange to some of you, because you were taught the exact opposite in school.

https://mises.org/community/forums/p/25081/425498.aspx

Good info, thank you.



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Medicine and healthcare cost plummet without government interference.


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Actually, going back and reading your post, what you are describing is a government controlled monopoly.
"Funds would have to come from the government,"
Yes & no.. I see how that's reading now.. see if I can clarify what's going through my head. What I should have researched is how overseas humanitarian aid is classified.. is it considered a governmental monopoly?

Okay, a healthcare deduction across the board from paychecks into the new health system. And funds provided by the government (rather than sending those billions of dollars overseas) in the form of a humanitarian aid to our own citizens who are not contributing to the new system through a paycheck.

That idea's squashed anyway because now I've learned we can't start a non-governmental monopoly
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That idea's squashed anyway because now I've learned we can't start a non-governmental monopoly
lol.

It sounds like what you want is for the government to force everyone to pay into a health insurance system.

We have that right now. The HMO Act is that. It forced health insurance companies on almost everyone. It worked out horribly. And still does.

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government regulation that prevents merchants from selling drugs without government permission (prescriptions) - this has lead to low supply and high demand (both of which have skyrocketed the price of drugs).

Mix in IP laws: keeps competition out - leads to even higher drug prices

Government does all the wrong things. But people mean well.

Using force against people and theft will always give you bad results.


We need to relearn what freedom is and how it works and why it works.
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We need to relearn what freedom is and how it works and why it works.

Indeed. It starts when people realize that forcing your ideas on someone is no different than someone else forcing their ideas on you.
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hi everybody,

i wanted to know why this health insurance is important and why it is so expensive?
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The health care system was written and designed, by and for the insurance companies. What better way to get people to buy your product then by forcing everyone, through government, to buy it?
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lol.

It sounds like what you want is for the government to force everyone to pay into a health insurance system.

We have that right now. The HMO Act is that. It forced health insurance companies on almost everyone. It worked out horribly. And still does.

Mix in:
government regulation that prevents merchants from selling drugs without government permission (prescriptions) - this has lead to low supply and high demand (both of which have skyrocketed the price of drugs).

Mix in IP laws: keeps competition out - leads to even higher drug prices

Government does all the wrong things. But people mean well.

Using force against people and theft will always give you bad results.


We need to relearn what freedom is and how it works and why it works.
No matter how well I have it figured out in my head, it doesn't transition correctly into the written word. Guess it's more difficult to come up with a new system than I initially thought.
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Indeed. It starts when people realize that forcing your ideas on someone is no different than someone else forcing their ideas on you.
This is true.
But, I see health insurance as something that should be supplied through our taxes that are normally squandered & 'lost' overseas.
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hi everybody,

i wanted to know why this health insurance is important and why it is so expensive?
The reason it is important to me isn't for the piddly stuff, it's to cover hospital costs that could zoom up in the hundred thousands within minutes if I say break my hip falling off a ladder.
Currently I have no insurance. My employer decided to cut the hours from full time to part time in several departments at work so we all lost 2-3 weeks vacation time, 13 holidays, 6 sick days, 6 bonus days, medical & life insurance.
We were all hired with that package, but they had to cut costs..
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No matter how well I have it figured out in my head, it doesn't transition correctly into the written word. Guess it's more difficult to come up with a new system than I initially thought.
People will probably disagree, but the perfect system is total freedom. We will always find the best way to take care of ourselves and other people. We will find the best solutions. Government will get in the way and restrict our acts, which always cause problems, shortages, and all sorts of unexpected and bizarre behaviors.

Total free markets will lower cost as low as possible and will meet customer demand as best as possible. Until people realize why this is true, then we will be stuck.
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