VITAMIN D for Chronic Pain SyndromesThat is why it's important for people to understand why current health advice about Vitamin D is so wrong and leads to greater pain.

But that is a fault with the system. What matters is what happens in real life NOT what so called experts have to say on the matter.
It doesn't matter how many people say Take 1000iu/daily or indeed 2000iu/daily. If in fact, as a matter of practice, it takes 4000 ~ 5000 ~ 6000iu to raise status to an effective level then thats what it takes.
Only fools idiots morons continue to believe health professionals when they have taken an effective amount,GOT TESTED, and actually experienced the truth and know for certain what works for them.

The sooner you do that the better.

Probably but because the committee deciding this matter doesn't contain the relevant most important vitamin D experts it will probably be too little too late.
In the meantime we know what is safe and what is natural and going with natural levels, those your body would naturally create given the chance is of course safe and sensible.

The whole point of NATURAL MEDICINE FORUM is for people who people who basically are mature enough to think for themselves and who are moving away from conventional health practice because they have learnt from experience it doesn't prevent disease incidence but makes it's money treating an endless stream of conditions it creates by keeping RDA levels lower than the human body would naturally attain and maintain.

Where is your evidence for that?

The Risk of Additional Vitamin D REINHOLD VIETH When you actually look at the scientific evidence what do you find?
That the current toxicity levels don't stand up to scrutiny and that 5 times the official toxic amount has NEVER EVER caused problems and that 40,000iu daily could possibly, over a considerable period of months if not years build up levels above 200ng/ml at which adverse events MAY (certainly not definitely occur0

Indeed that is precisely why I suggest that everyone gets tested. and provide links to a reliable source. But when we look at all the research and the practical experience of others using vitamin D in effective amounts what we find happens in practice is that it takes ROUGHLY 1000iu/daily for each 25lbs you currently weigh to raise the average person to the NATURAL level a human body living near naked outdoors would attain and maintain a natural equilibrium. Try letting your DNA sort out your 25(OH)D level not your brain. Your DNA is likely to be much smarter.

But where in the UK do you find a person who is qualified to give up to date guidance on Vitamin D status?
The point is that to give a professional opinion REQUIRES you to stay within the current consensus. These people have careers to consider. They have to comply with the constraints their insurance company dictates, go outside current medical consensus opinion and you are uninsurable and therefore can no longer practice.

But not because you have any evidence to support your case.

Clearly you haven't understood that because vitamin C is not fat soluble but water soluble it has a short half life in the body and in order to raise status and keep it raised (in order to be effective) either time release or sustained release tablets are required in staged doses throughout the day. Taking a mega dose daily is simply not a sensible way to proceed.
It's always worth investigating what in practice is an effective amount before using any supplement.

But MODERATION in respect of vitamin D must be in relation to the amount your DNA would produce given a few minutes UVB exposure. When you understand your DNA wants to create 10,000iu~ 20,000iu every day if available the amounts I suggest and what work in practice, are extremely moderate.

CODSWALLOP. If you compare the chance of overdose between water and vitamin D you find it's much easier to overdose on water.

Not true, people with kidney failure do require their 25(OH)D deficiency status corrected or they die. It's low vitamin D levels that make kidney disease progress

But raising vitamin D status quadruples the amount of calcium you can absorb from your diet and water.

I've probably spend more time explaining the basics of Vitamin D cofactors than you have. Of course people need to understand more about their nutritional status. But generally speaking and in the amounts I've suggested it is IMPOSSIBLE to raise status to toxic levels in ANY individual.
Which is why the only person here providing dangerously misguided information is not me.

Knightofalbion

Clinging to opinion is voluntary exclusion from the truth.
Consider motives - there's no money to be made in promoting vitamin D3 supplementation, so why are SO MANY scientists and medical professionals studying this pre-hormone?
I urge you to be open minded, and study the research - you don't have to believe Ted - go find out for yourself - start here:

https://www.grc.com/health/vitamin-d.htm

Ted or I are only too happy to guide you further!

This is a very interesting thread, for a change.

Do I agree with taking 25 grams of vitamin C per day? Yes, I do, but not all at once, unless you feel sick... otherwise take 3 or 4 grams at a time five or six times per day. I take about 20 grams per day, and I would double that if somehow I got sick... which by the way hasn't happened for several years now.

The bottom line concerning D3 is that the RDA is way too low, and always has been. You could safely take 30,000 I.U. per day for three years and not overdose... that is reality, so taking 10,000 I.U. per day is well within the guidelines of safety.

Same goes for iodine. If you don't eat alot of seafood, chances are you are like most people, deficient in iodine, and that can also lead to several health issues for which the medical system has no cure.

The RDA for iodine is 125 micrograms per day. The actual daily required amount is more like 12.5 milligrams, thats 100 times more than they say you need, and that all dates back to 1948 when a study on rats was severely flawed.

When it comes to D3, I would listen to Ted. He knows what he is talking about, and it is clear to me that he, like me, has done alot of research on this, and isn't just quacking.

You would be wise to watch the following video on vitamin D:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cq1t9WqOD-0


Here is a "heads up on iodine":

https://www.mbschachter.com/Iodine.htm

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I agree, nice to have a bit of genuine discussion for a change instead of the usual 'steamrollering' of certain opinions...

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I was going to add these yesterday, but ran out of time.

Alternative views, warnings, interactions and guidance:

https://www.ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp

https://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/ar...-too-high.html

https://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2009...-dogs-and.html

We should never allow those whose opinions are not supported by common sense or scientific research to promote myths.
It's a very simple matter to get your 25(OH)D tested, everyone who does so will not what the truth of the matter is.

Exactly. In order to dispell myths people NEED to be kept up to date with the MOST RECENT RESEARCH.
Perpetually repeating out of date information keeps us in cloud cuckoo land.
This is why it is so important to refute misinformation and outdated information. What is the point in my posting the latest findings if people keep reposting information that has been shown to be wrong.
It was back in 1960 the link between MS and VITAMIN D deficiency was first raised. I've been pressing the point for at least 20yrs yet it's still the case that most people with MS remain vitamin D deficient despite the fact we know Higher 25-hydroxyvitamin D is associated with lower relapse risk in multiple sclerosis. each 10 nmol/l increase in 25-OH-D resulting in up to a 12% reduction in risk of relapse. Clinically, raising 25-OH-D levels by 50 nmol/l could halve the hazard of a relapse.

It's people like knightofalbion who refuse to make any effort to think for themselves but simply repeat out of date information who are promoting disease incidence and keeping people from reducing their pain and symptom levels.

The Israeli Lifeguard issue with kidney stones Chris Masterjohn quotes is a typical red herring when we know perfectly well other factors cause kidney stone formation.

When it comes to vitamin D... I personally only take D3 or get direct sunlight.

I've never heard that it doesn't work if you don't get sunlight along with it. If that's the case, what's the point of even taking it to begin with? My mother is also disabled, and hardly goes outside. She takes a vitamin d3 supplement everyday, and that's what works for her. So, like what other people have said, I'd have a hard time believing that it's true.

Although, I personally stay away from any supplements/vitamins in tablet form. It's been my experience that they dont' work nearly as well as capsules or gel-caps. The vitamin d3 supplement that I take is actually in liquid form. One or two drops is all you need to meet your daily recommended needs.