\r\n \r\n Foods in general do not supply concentrated minerals or vitamins. How do we know this aside from spectrographic studies?
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\nWe know by the effects of eating foods compared to taking supplements.
\nMost people just can\'t eat enough food to get high medicinal dosages of vitamins and minerals. Many foods are depeleted of minerals and if they are depleted of minerals their vitamin counts will not be good either.
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\nEating a good well balanced diet of veggeis, fruit, seeds and nuts with some meat should provide most people all the things they need but most people do not eat well and in that behavior they have lost sight of what they should be eating.
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\nI did an interview of someone who was having issues with osteoporosis and kidney stones recently. she and her daughter thought that she ate well. But when it came down to it she was only eating one veggie a day, and too often it was a potato.
\nIts no wonder her bones were degenerating! ... and they thought this was a good diet... so the doctor had her taking 20000 mg of calcium carbonate to build bones along with 10 years on fosamax!!!! no wonder she was having kidney stones.
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\nShe should have been eating green leafy veggies, broccoli, yams and flax seed, vitamin D3 and K2 and taking a slica supplement to restore her bones...not the prescribed crap. This doctor, though his ignorance and lack of understanding of nutriton, drove her into pain and illness. Now she wants to try to undo it. I hope she has the determination to do so... kidney stones can be a pretty big motivating factor!
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\nSupplements are best used to build and restore from the detrimental effects of a bad lifestyle and mineral depeted food sources but vitamins and minerals can also be very helpful for opening pathways of detoxification from the polluted world we live in. compared to 200 years ago there are many many reasons in our environment to supplement with exta vtiamins and minerals as well as phytonutrients
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\nSo what do you eat that supplies vitamin E. Do you even know? Do you know how much vitamin E is in a portion and do you eat it everyday? Do you have any early or chronic signs of vascular disease? If so how much vitamin E do you think you should take? are you getting it from your food daily? What other nutrients combat vascular disease? Vascular and cardiac disease is the number one killer of women. Most women know not what to do to prevent this desease.
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\nScientific research has demonsatrated that extra vitiamin holds significant healing potiential, that is dosages above and beyond what one normally consumes in a good diet.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Love this reply! Love the acknowledgment of the role silica plays in building new bone, and the hazards of calcium supplementation.
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\r\n \r\n There are at least six different forms of natural vitamin E, therefore, its best to get all forms on a daily basis.
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\nLinus Pauling suggested many years ago that the RDA for E was much too low, and that he personally took 2400 I.U. per day.
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\n400 I.U. is really nothing, and taking 400 I.U. of E would be the same as taking 400 I.U. of D3, which again, is nowhere near an optimum amount.
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\nYes, raw organic sunflower seeds are packed with E, however, store bought sunflower seeds contain very little E because they are baked, and E is sensitive to heat.
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\nThis would only be true if the supplements were synthetic rather than made from whole foods.
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\nImagine juicing 10 stalks of celery. The machine separates the juice, which contains about 90% of the nutrients, from the pulp, which contains about 10% of the total nutrients, since the pulp is mostly fibre.
\nNow imagine evapourating the juice at low temperature. What you are left with is a very small amount of powder that contains most of the nutrients that were in the celery stalks. This powder could then be placed in a couple capsules and swallowed, rather than drinking 2 or 3 glasses of juice or eating 10 celery stalks.
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\nNow imagine doing the same with broccoli, kale, blueberry, mangosteen, goji, as well as several other fruit and veggie.
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\nAs long as your diet contains plenty of fruits, veggies, seeds, and nuts, you will be getting enough vitamins and nutrients to keep you healthy.
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\nKeep in mind that a good diet will not prevent aging, thats where the supplements come into play. In order to reverse damage done to the DNA, you must overcome this damage, and the only way to do that is to flood the body with phytonutrients and antioxidants.
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\nSmall amounts will do nothing.
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\nAs far as magnesium goes, you can get enough through the dark green veggies in your diet, provided the soil in which they were grown is not depleted or contaminated with chemicals and pesticides. Thus, its always best to buy from a farmers market, and organic if possible.
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\nHaving headaches/migraines, as well as sore bones/joints, is a symptom of being deficient in magnesium.
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\r\n \r\n Very good reply!! I can\'t get my father-in-law to understand that the food that is available to us does not have the nutritional value that it once had, due to chemical treatments to the plants and to the soil, and the fact that food generally sits on the shelves longer and the heat and light depletes them of nutrients. I read about a study that was done on oranges, and they found some oranges with NO vitamin C in them at all! That\'s a good reason to buy locally whenever possible, because the food is usually fresher.\r\n

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\r\nWhat an incredible reply...full of clarity, knowledge and wisdom. I appreciate it!
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\r\nI want to live on the offense not the defense when it comes to our modern diseases such as cancer, diabetes, and heart disease. Stress reduction is a big factor as well as nutrients for the body.
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\r\nVit. E is a supplement I just began taking. I looked online to find foods highest in vit. e. Wheatgerm oil came up as the highest with providing 4 g. per tsp.. I won\'t eat wheatgerm oil but I\'ll eat sunflower oil that provides 4g......no, wait....that isn\'t vit. e it\'s just the weight of 1 tsp. of oil.
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\r\nIt\'s complex to convert iu\'s to g. but with some googling it could be figured out. The coversion factor is 1.49
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\r\nI\'m having a hard time figuring out how many grams of vit. e are in 400 iu\'s.
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\r\nAnyone out there good with math?
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\r\nIt seems like vit. A, C, E, omega 3\'s (DHA & EPA), and B vitamins are the big ones to make sure you have in the diet.
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\r\nIt just seems like food can provide it.
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\r\n \r\n I would avoid taking sunflower oil as a supplement. Look into essential fatty acids and see where sunflower oil stands on the list.
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\nIt is my opinion that vitamin e has great benefits if one is in a disease state and should be taken primarily in supplements in the form of mixed tocotrienals... In the natural order of things vitamin E is limited in foods and hence you found wheat germ oil, which is an oil that is actually only a recent development and not suitable for daily consumption.. same with flax seed oil, although ground and whole flax seeds have been with us for a very long time and more suitable in a whole form.
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\nMost vitamins should not be supplemented if we live in a natural state, with good digestion, and outside of the influence of toxic microbes and pollution in our food, air and water... so this is exactly why we talk of supplements here so much.
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\nYou would do better to eat raw sunflower seeds, hazel nuts and almonds daily. Make sure your protien capabilities are up to par,,, in other words that these types of protiens do not cause indigestion for you.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Dear Arrowwind09,
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\nSunflower oil is very unbalanced in essential fatty acids. It\'s very high in omega 6 and low in omega 3. I was considering taking it for the vit. e while taking cod liver oil to balance out the omega 3\'s.
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\nI LOVE nuts but have a difficult time digesting them. I\'ve soaked and sprouted them but there are still problems. The next thing I could try is cooking them after being soaked to break down their cell walls. Or I could take betaine hydrochloric acid along with them. sigh
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\nI\'m beginning to understand that it isn\'t possible to get what our body needs from food alone. It\'s still hard for me to fully grasp that concept because mankind lived on food for thousands of years. They didn\'t have tiny pills of vit. e for their nourishment. It\'s the TINY part that really gets me. The vit. e in the pill is less than the eraser of a pencil. The quantity of food I eat is so much greater. How can this tiny drop of oil be better than the large mass of food I eat especially since nutrients are synergistic?
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\nCertainly we now have toxins that surround and penetrate us and because of that our bodies need vitamins as medicine to detox, heal and be nourished. Hippocrotes would be discouraged at the state of our planet.
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\nI want to have peace with this but I\'m not there yet.
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\nThanks for your help,
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\r\n \r\n So what do you eat that supplies vitamin E. Do you even know? Do you know how much vitamin E is in a portion and do you eat it everyday?
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\nDo you have any early or chronic signs of vascular disease?
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\n-' + '-' + '-' + '-I have cold extremities, a blue toenail on my big toe when I\'m cold otherwise it is pink and normal. I have no moons on any of my fingernails besides my thumb. I do not have a lot of energy or stamina. Don\'t many people die of heart attack without any warnings? My blood pressure is low and that is confusing.
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\nIf so how much vitamin E do you think you should take? are you getting it from your food daily? What other nutrients combat vascular disease? Vascular and cardiac disease is the number one killer of women. Most women know not what to do to prevent this desease.
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\n-' + '-' + '-' + '-' + '-I do not know how much vit. e to take. I know vitamins work synergistically but the exact amount of vit. e for my body and particular metabolic state I do not know. Antioxidants are very important.
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\nMay I ask if you take vitamins and if so what do you trust and use?
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\nSincerely and thanks in advance,
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\r\n \r\n Feeling the cold, lack of energy etc. Sounds to me like you have an underactive thyroid....
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\nNuts: Try ground almonds, mixed in with a carrier base i.e. (my favourite) chocolate soya dessert.
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\nFood supplements like brewer\'s yeast or esp. kelp, would be helpful to you too.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Hi Julia, welcome to the forum! First I\'d like it to be clear that I\'m not good in mathematics, nor am I an expert in nutrition. I believe that even with good healthy eating, we can\'t get all of the vitamins/minerals we need without supplements. Folks did without them years back, but if I\'m correct, the life-expectancy then was also much shorter than it is today.
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\nI don\'t know about your wheat-germ figures, but 4 grams of Vitamin E per teaspoon would equal 4,000mg (1 gram = 1,000mg). Please correct me if I\'m wrong.
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\nI have an old nutrition book that shows 1 TABLEspoon of wheat-germ oil = only 28mg of vitamin E. { 1 IU of E = .67mg, so a typical 400 IU softgel should equal 268mg}
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\nSoybean is 2.9mg
\nSafflower is 13mg
\nOlive is 5.32mg
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\nFor 1 stalk of raw celery they show (vitamins/mineral not listed are zero):
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\n.2 mg calcium
\n.15mg iron
\n11mg magnesium
\n14mg phosphorus
\n171mg potassium
\n120 IUs of vitamin A
\n.02mg B1
\n.02mg B2
\n.03mg B6
\n.004mg folic acid
\n.15mg niacin
\n.21mg pantothenic acid
\n4.5mg vitamin C
\n.19mg vitamin E\r\n

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\nWith your calculations it would take approximately 8 T. to get close to 400 iu\'s if vit. e. The amount of calories would be ridiculous!
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\nThe celery doesn\'t look very high in nutrients at all. It\'s all very discouragaing.
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\nWho was it that discovered vitamins and is it accurately measured within food as compared to supplements. It seems like the two can\'t be compared. I\'m talking out loud here.
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\nIn biblical times people lived in the hundreds. People lived hundreds of years. No one today lives that long.
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\nI certainly don\'t have the answers. It get\'s tiring trying to understand it all.
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\nThanks for your help,
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\r\n \r\n The highest food content of vitamin E is raw sunflower seeds. 1/4 cup raw sunflower is 18MG vitamin E. Almonds are the next best at 1/4 cup raw at 8.97MG.
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\nhttps://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?t...rient&dbid=111\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Here\'s information about some vitamins and their discovery you may be interested in: https://www.natmedtalk.com/wiki/Vitamin\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Julia, if betaine HCL works and allows you to digest nuts well then do it.
\nand take it as a sign that you are generally low in HCL and you would probably do well to take it at all protien meals.
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\nOn the other had some people cannot digest nuts due to more complex factors involving the gall bladder and the concentrated fat that it offers inside a protien matrix. You will have to figure that out/
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\nWe have a longer life expectancy these days because our children survive to be adults due to more food, less physical stress and the advent of antibiotics. It was not so long ago that most families endured the death of one or maybe even more children. On the other hand the incidences of severe chronic disease is way way up due to our denatured foods both processed and unprocessed.
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\nOur \'unprocessed\' foods (in other words fresh veggies) have been treated with chemicals and the soils are devoid of nutrients they need to develop their full capacity in vitamins and minerals.. so it is because of this that I say that supplemental vitamins are needed more frequently than not. Aside from that in our environment we are daily assaulted by a chemical barrage of irriatants and toxins both through the air and the water and the materials in our environment. Nutrients above and beyond what the body needs for general sustanence can help protect against these types of daily invasions also, especially concentrated phyto-nutreints.
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\nIf you can grow all your food in soils that are rich, eat it fresh and organic then perhaps no, supplement are not required... So far I know of no one in that category.
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\nAlso disease can have a basis other than in the nutrient realm.. yet nutrients can be a great help in combating some diseases or protecting yourself from them. This encompasess the theraputic application of nutrients with doses required well beyond what anyone could eat in a day.
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\nIts a different world that we live in today and we can not do what our ancestors did and expect a good survival rate. Our raising levels of cancer and other chronic disease is proof enough.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Hello Juila. Nice to meet you.
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\nSupplements are just that - supplements! There is no substitute for a healthy diet!
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\nSupplements are worth taking though, definitely. This is because most of \'our\' food is grown on land that is mineral depleted. Also, it can be difficult to obtain medicinal quantities of vitamins/minerals from food, you\'d need to eat a lot! That can be difficult for anyone, even more so if you\'re elderly or ill.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Supplements are NOT better than food, but food alone doesn\'t provide what you need.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n Absolutley correct. Supplements are just what they say they are... supplements. I dont know why that is so hard for some people to comprehend.\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I posted some information about that here. The thread got a little sidetracked but there\'s still good information you might be able to use.
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\n@pinballdoctor: The difference is that the fresh juice has the potent electromagnetic vibration [life force] whereas the supplements have much less because it is mostly found in the water content of the juice, due to special water structure.\r\n

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\nI understand how energy works, as well as chemical and biological functions within the body.
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\nWe contain several individual systems that work in a synergistic manner, creating and emitting positive or negative energy, and all is controlled by a rather large battery that operates on electrical pulses.
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\nAs far as diet is concerned, you cannot get the nutrients you need from food alone. Soil is depleted of several minerals, and since vitamins don\'t work without minerals, its just a matter of time before you develop health issues, thus the need for supplements. They are crutial and every health concious person must using them.
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\nPeople who think they can get everything from the four food groups are going to find out the hard way that you can\'t.
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\nYou cannot prevent aging, however, with proper supplements you can slow it down. Also keep in mind that all supplements are not equal, some are good while others are crap. That is why it is necessary to read lables, research products, and buy only from a reputable source.
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\r\n \r\n I\'m sure this will have been said but I\'d like to reiterate that you wold have to eat a superhuman amount of nutrient-rich food to get all the nutrients you need. Food just isn\'t full of minerals and vitamins like it used to be! You would have to eat a very very strict regimented diet to ensure you got everything you need and would literally spend aaaaall day eating. Supplements are the way forward!\r\n

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\r\n \r\n I personally prefer getting vitamins from foods unless I have a deficiency. since vitamins came out in the 1930s, it\'s easy to see studies if people live longer or not on vitamins. seems like I read more about people who live to be a hundred years old about what then eat and drank and rarely will they credit a vitamin. could it be they don\'t take vitamins? I don\'t know
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\r\n \r\n take a look at this study. i researched for the original article and did not found the study. i looked up internal medicine and multivitamin. here https://archinte.jamanetwork.com/arti...ticleid=414784 they say in the original study that there is little or no correlation with disease or health but not about that it will kill you.\r\n

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