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Default A dogs blood health and garlic; Is it worth the risk?

Published in the American Journal of Veterinary Research in November 2000.

https://avmajournals.avma.org/toc/ajvr/61/11

Four dogs were given measured amounts of garlic and four dogs received none. After only seven days, blood tests on the dogs taking garlic revealed decreased levels in hemoglobin, hematocrit, and red blood cell values. Heinz body formation, an increase in erythrocyte-reduced glutathione concentration, and eccentrocytes were also detected.

Veterinarians conducting the study concluded that garlic has the potential to cause hemolytic anemia and that food containing garlic should not be given to dogs.


Symptoms of Hemolytic Anemia

Pet owners who want to give their dog garlic should discuss dosage amounts with their veterinarian and whether the benefits are worth the risks. They should be aware of the dangers and keep an eye on the health of the dog. Symptoms to watch for include:
  • weakness, lethargy
  • discolored urine
  • pale or white gums
  • rapid breathing
  • vomiting
  • diarrhea
When red blood cells are destroyed, the body becomes oxygen-deprived and life-threatening conditions can develop rapidly. If any of these symptoms are observed veterinary attention should be sought immediately.

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My hope is that ALL senseless animal testing stop. It's cruel.
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My hope is that ALL senseless animal testing stop. It's cruel.

I agree. One of my hopes is people learning to stop senselessly damaging their pets through ignorance.
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Four dogs were given measured amounts of garlic and four dogs received none.
How much garlic was given to these 4 dogs?

Are we talking milligrams (like in dog food) or are we talking cloves?


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After only seven days, blood tests on the dogs taking garlic revealed decreased levels in hemoglobin, hematocrit, and red blood cell values.
Decreased from what level to what level?

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Veterinarians conducting the study concluded that garlic has the potential to cause hemolytic anemia and that food containing garlic should not be given to dogs.
...and I can show you several vets who state that garlic (in small amounts) are beneficial to dogs, and they would have to eat 400 to 600 grams at any one time to become sick, which is over a pound of garlic, and even then in most cases the dog will vomit to prevent absorption.

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Symptoms of Hemolytic Anemia

Pet owners who want to give their dog garlic should discuss dosage amounts with their veterinarian and whether the benefits are worth the risks. They should be aware of the dangers and keep an eye on the health of the dog. Symptoms to watch for include:



  • weakness, lethargy
  • discolored urine
  • pale or white gums
  • rapid breathing
  • vomiting
  • diarrhea
When red blood cells are destroyed, the body becomes oxygen-deprived and life-threatening conditions can develop rapidly. If any of these symptoms are observed veterinary attention should be sought immediately.
I find it ironic that iron overdose can cause the same symptoms, including death, and yet I don't hear ya yapping about avoiding dog food that contains ferrous sulfate. And FYI, the canidae dog food contains ferrous sulfate, zinc, copper, potassium iodide, and several other ingredients that are toxic if the dose is high enough.

How many people do you know who's dog died from garlic??
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How many people do you know who's dog died from garlic??
One dog. One friend's dog died from consuming garlic. That is enough for me.

We are their guardians. Why would we give them anything that is considered even borderline dangerous? Does it really matter how much?
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One dog. One friend's dog died from consuming garlic. That is enough for me.

We are their guardians. Why would we give them anything that is considered even borderline dangerous? Does it really matter how much?
And how many dogs are hit by cars each year?

How many are killed by vaccines? Drugs? Poisons?

Crappy dog food?

Yes, it really does matter how much.
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I agree. One of my hopes is people learning to stop senselessly damaging their pets through ignorance.
And now after this stuy people will learn that garlic is not recommended to dogs and they wills stop giving it to them.

Clearly these dogs were given amounts of garlic that most people would not give. A little bit of arsenic wont kill you either but would you give it to your child or yourself? Dogs are suppose to eat meat, not vegetables, and it is only on occassion or under starvation that a natural dog will dig up plants and eat them.

Most people don't see poisoning when it is happening. Only whent he sympotoms become acute or life threatening... but poisoning can be going on long before this occurs.


It doesnt matter what their blood levels were before the garlic. It demonstrates that garlic decreases blood levels. This report looks like a synopsis, not the full report. The full report should be out there somewhere.
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I have had dogs my whole life, and never had any issues with garlic "poisoning", either with my dogs or anyone that I knew, and that goes back alot of years.
But that's YOU. Someone who is very knowledgeable. Me? CAUTIOUS!! I would read, look for research - read some more and really think it thru before even attempting it myself. But someone else? May NOT. (Be knowledgeable OR cautious) Those are the types I worry about. The ones that feel they are doing their best. But do NOT take the time to read/ask/learn.

Collars on small hyper dogs are a HUGE concern for me - only thru learning about my own small dog's collapsed trachea. Yes it is something he inherited - but a collar around any little dog's neck could cause damage - or their little heads could slip right thru and INTO THE VERY BUSY STREET THEY GO. Does anyone really do any REAL research into the CARE of nonhumans??? Dogs left out in the backyards all day long with NOTHING. As long as the poor thing is breathing he is considered "fine." Pisses me off. DON"T GET A PET they require MORE than just a bowlful of cheap food, your constant cheese slices of God only knows what given as a "treat" and a couch for the poor thing to lay on day in and day out.

Ok. Off my soapbox. Just general observations I have come to. My comments are NOT directed to anyone here in particular.
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