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My father had some improvement for a while but now his kidney failure is worsening. Creatinine clearance is 41 (normal is 85 to 100). Has anyone here had any experience with alternative methods. (I was and am still giving him CoQ and fish oil)
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Has he done mms? You have to wonder what is causing the kidney failure. Is it a pathogen that the doctors don'e know how to see or test for?
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Has he done mms? You have to wonder what is causing the kidney failure. Is it a pathogen that the doctors don'e know how to see or test for?

Being 87 is part of it.
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Well yes, being 87 is part of it I suppose. But why do some 87 year olds not have kidney failure? The vast majority do not have kidney failure.

There probably is a long history of poor nutrition and assilimation of nutrients, compromised immune function, enzyme depleations that have had an impact on the kidneys.

All of the above contribute to pathogens taking up residence.

He should also be on vitamin D3 as well as high dosages of vitamin C

If it were my dad and he were willing I would be trying mms and iodine therapy.

The medical profession will have absolutley nothing to offer except perhaps dialysis.
With dialysis you really have to look at the quality of life issue. Is it worth it at this age.
Remember, most people who take dialysis never really feel well. They would have to deem him a worthy
candidate first.

Sometimes its just better to let go.
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I'm learning more and more that:

More age = More maintenance

Just like cars. It is too bad when major organs become weakened. I'm sorry to hear about that. When glands become weakened, you can at least do something for them or compensate for their failure.

Diabetes and congestive heart failure both increase the risk of kidney failure. The use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) can also cause kidney failure even with a single recommended dose.

NSAIDs work by constricting the blood vessels preventing them from leaking. But this also reduces the blood supply to critical organs like the heart, brain, liver and kidneys. I assume that it does not help as we get older.

I'd check the drugs that he may be taking. One of them could be the culprit.

If this were happening to me, I would take colloidal silver to ensure there is no inflammation or infection causing such, even parasites. Maybe, I would try 6mg (1 drop) Lugol's iodine daily too. It would be just too hard for me to tell what's going on, without a bunch of tests; so my first reaction would be the shotgun approach.


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Maybe, I would try 6mg (1 drop) Lugol's iodine daily too. It would be just too hard for me to tell what's going on, without a bunch of tests; so my first reaction would be the shotgun approach.
why such a puny dose of iodine? It takes 10 drops 3 x day to cure a bladder infection. He's probably so dang iodine deficient anyway it would take weeks to get him loaded, to saturate all the body parts that need iodine.
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why such a puny dose of iodine? It takes 10 drops 3 x day to cure a bladder infection. He's probably so dang iodine deficient anyway it would take weeks to get him loaded, to saturate all the body parts that need iodine.
I agree.

150mg of iodine per day would be the minimum I would use if I were him.
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why such a puny dose of iodine? It takes 10 drops 3 x day to cure a bladder infection. He's probably so dang iodine deficient anyway it would take weeks to get him loaded, to saturate all the body parts that need iodine.
Because he is old, and his kidneys are already compromised. What I would do for myself, and what I would do when I'm 87, may be quite different. I would start slowly. I would even start with black walnut hulls for the natural iodine. That's even good for parasite removal. That and wormwood.
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It may be too slow though. You need to look for a medicinal effect. 6mg of iodine get snatched up quickly. If there is kidney disease and you are using iodine to try to fix the situation you have to give a doese that will make a difference. Beings that he is 87 would mean to me that he's far more deficient than someone our age.
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They knew he had chronic kidney failure and the dumb ass at the doctors office just looked at the labwork without referring to previous lab work. He does have it though and here is what I am giving him:

1) Vit C daily 500 to 1000 mg depending on type (sometimes a pill 500mg or sometimes the emergen-C drink with MSM (1000 mg).
2) Vit D3 5000 IU 2-3 times a week
3) Either fish oil or essential fatty acids daily (1 tablespoon)
4) CoQ10 120-150 mg a day.
5) Seaweed capsules (iodine) 2x a week.
6) Pureed asparagus, I need to give him more though

I also just bought some quantum kidney complex capsules and will start those this week.
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Here is a page that might interest you. https://sodiumbicarbonate.imva.info/i...m-bicarbonate/

I don't like messing around with pH for any extended period, but occasionally use bicarbonate of soda when any part of my internal self is inflamed. Mark Sircus is pretty well known for his knowledge of bicarbonate. There is also a comment section. Perhaps you can ask him for support answers.

Mark is an honorary doctor of Oriental medicine, and had done extensive medical research. He is well respected in the complementary and alternative medicine industry.
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I would increase that vitamin D3 to 10,000 if you are only giving it 3 times a week.
That woul equal almost 5,000 a day.

Will be interested to know what is in that kidney formula and if it works as time goes by. Kidney failure is such a huge problem that there is little recourse for. Sometimes I have seen that it can reverse, and this is with conventional medicine patients.. but could never put my finger on why that happened or changed to cause it.. as that they certainly weren't doing anything good for themselves.
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I would increase that vitamin D3 to 10,000 if you are only giving it 3 times a week.
That woul equal almost 5,000 a day.

Will be interested to know what is in that kidney formula and if it works as time goes by. Kidney failure is such a huge problem that there is little recourse for. Sometimes I have seen that it can reverse, and this is with conventional medicine patients.. but could never put my finger on why that happened or changed to cause it.. as that they certainly weren't doing anything good for themselves.

https://healthproductsusa.net/30_kidn...lex_health.htm

When they started getting bad I put him on CoQ10 and fish oil and they improved, now they are down again. I am looking up some stuff with alkalinizing foods and would appreciate comments on rejuvanitive foods brand kin chee and saurkraut (unpasteurized live)
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Here is a page that might interest you. https://sodiumbicarbonate.imva.info/i...m-bicarbonate/

I don't like messing around with pH for any extended period, but occasionally use bicarbonate of soda when any part of my internal self is inflamed. Mark Sircus is pretty well known for his knowledge of bicarbonate. There is also a comment section. Perhaps you can ask him for support answers.

Mark is an honorary doctor of Oriental medicine, and had done extensive medical research. He is well respected in the complementary and alternative medicine industry.
Just found some complimentary material. As soon as I get back from the gym tonight, I ma starting baking soda therapy. 1/4 teaspoon a day and we will check kidney function at his appt aug 5th
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1) Vit C daily 500 to 1000 mg depending on type (sometimes a pill 500mg or sometimes the emergen-C drink with MSM (1000 mg).
2) Vit D3 5000 IU 2-3 times a week
3) Either fish oil or essential fatty acids daily (1 tablespoon)
4) CoQ10 120-150 mg a day.
5) Seaweed capsules (iodine) 2x a week.
6) Pureed asparagus
First I am surprised that he is taking so many supplements. Thats great.

I would increase the vitamin C. He could still take 500mg or 1000mg at a time, but I would suggest 3 or 4 doses during the day, with the largest dose just before bed. This is necessary since C stays in the body for only a few hours. If Quercetin was given with the C, it would last longer and be much more efficient.

I would also increase the D3 so that he gets at least 5000 I.U. per day. That would be a beneficial dose.

I would also up the Co Q10. I take 400mg per day and I am nowhere near age 87. It is also important to use the non-oxidated form of Q10. The oxidated form is much more difficult to absorb as you age, and not worth using past age 50. You can tell by the color if you poke a soft gel with a pin. If it is orange it is oxidized. If it is white, it is the correct form for your dad. (non-oxidized)

I would also include magnesium, as magnesium from citrate so it can be easily absorbed. For his age, 300mg twice per day.

I would also suggest cayanne extract capsules. They should be 90,000 heat units, and would help with circulation, eliminating pathogens, and keeping the blood thin, thus reducing blood pressure. I buy a small amount from a health food store, then fill 500 mg capsules.

As suggested earlier, more iodine is crucial for good health... much more. The RDA is 150 micro grams, but should be 150 mg. Lugols iodine is safe to use at high doses contrary to the mainstream belief. Lugols consists of iodine and potassium iodide, which are both necessary for the body... iodine for the thyroid and iodide for the other organs.

If he would take just one other supplement, I would suggest one that contains several vegetable extracts, especially broccoli and culiflower,since these are well known to prevent/reverse cancer.

Your dad should also be drinking tea, either green, white, or red.

Most old people will die from cancer or heart disease. The above supplements should prevent both.
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