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My family and I live in Canada.
My wife is pregnant with twins who are ETA in 4-6 weeks.
We have a son who will be 2 years old in January.

My question is regarding Vaccines, specifically the H1N1 one.

How much of what I see on YouTube told by Alex Jones, Fox, politicians, doctors, etc in the US applies to Canada?

What I know is:

- Canada manufactures its own vaccines.

https://www.healthzone.ca/health/news...ose-protective

"A shot of swine flu vaccine that is about a third of the size of a standard dose is protective when boosted with an additive called an adjuvant, Canada's pandemic vaccine manufacturer said Monday." (09/15/2009)

- (Some) Vaccines (In Canada) contain Thimerosal.

https://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/q_a_thimerosal-eng.php#1

What I am unclear on due to the massive amounts of misinformation is:

- Are their any credible / substantiated reports/studies confirming whether vaccines cause autism in children? I can use the referenced website above which says no, and compare it to this website that says yes.

https://www.naturalnews.com/011764.html

But I remember that Canada manufactures its own vaccines so the above link does not (or at least should not) apply to my area.

If experienced and knowledgeable people out there can educate me here, I would appreciate it.

Bottom line question - should my family and I get the vaccine?
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The best thing I can tell you is that your govt actually cares about its population as opposed to our govt who cares more about multinational interests.
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My family and I live in Canada.
My wife is pregnant with twins who are ETA in 4-6 weeks.
We have a son who will be 2 years old in January.

My question is regarding Vaccines, specifically the H1N1 one.

How much of what I see on YouTube told by Alex Jones, Fox, politicians, doctors, etc in the US applies to Canada?

What I know is:

- Canada manufactures its own vaccines.

https://www.healthzone.ca/health/news...ose-protective

"A shot of swine flu vaccine that is about a third of the size of a standard dose is protective when boosted with an additive called an adjuvant, Canada's pandemic vaccine manufacturer said Monday." (09/15/2009)

- (Some) Vaccines (In Canada) contain Thimerosal.

https://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/q_a_thimerosal-eng.php#1

What I am unclear on due to the massive amounts of misinformation is:

- Are their any credible / substantiated reports/studies confirming whether vaccines cause autism in children? I can use the referenced website above which says no, and compare it to this website that says yes.

https://www.naturalnews.com/011764.html

But I remember that Canada manufactures its own vaccines so the above link does not (or at least should not) apply to my area.

If experienced and knowledgeable people out there can educate me here, I would appreciate it.

Bottom line question - should my family and I get the vaccine?
First, don't rely on the news media for information, they all lie through their teeth. Alex Jones is a little over the top, however, he is right about vaccines, mainly because he's had guests on his radio show such as Dr. Rebecca Carly, who knows more about vaccines than anyone, and speaks out against them.

The adjuvant you speak of is called squalene. It is found in some veggies and fruit, and is no problem when injested through the mouth in small amounts. However, it is synthetic squalene in the vaccines, and is injected directly into the blood. Tests done on animals killed all the animals within two weeks. In smaller amounts, squalene causes autoimmune disease, and sterilization. It was used in very small amounts in vaccines given to Gulf war vets, and several hundred thousand are either dead or sick, and the government blames this on stress disorder.
The amount of squalene used in this new vaccine is one million times the amount used on the soldiers, so don't get the shot. Those who roll up their sleeves will get sick from the vaccine and many will die.

And yes, there is also mercury in this shot, which is another good reason to stay away from this poison.

Should you and your family get the shot?

HELL NO!! use vitamin D3 instead. 1000 I.U. per day for a child, and 5000 I.U. per day throughout the winter for you and your wife. If your wife takes 5000 I.U. per day, then enough D3 will pass through her breast milk and protect the twins. Lesser amounts won't be enough. Remember, 1000 I.U. = 25 micrograms, and it takes 1000 micrograms to make one milligram, and 1000 milligrams to make one gram..
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I personally would say no... dont get them.... I have a brand new granddaughter that lives in indiana... born end of july.... had first shots, and with in a few hours started screaming and jerking like she was having a seizure.. and now has periods when she crys and jerks and is unconsollable...also seems to not be able to hear out of her left ear... not sure if that is from birth or from shots.

my daughters mother in law works at a hospital... there were a bunch of nurses who went and got the h1n1 shot, and their faces became paralyzed for quite a few hours.. none of the rest of them will get the shot
everything that I have read on this site alone scares me enough to not be willing to get them, and to not subject those in my care with them.

If you must get the vaccines for the children... do each shot individually... Im not sure if you can split up the shots like the mmr or not, but only give one shot at a time. I read somewhere, (might have been here) that when the shots were tested, they tested one shot at a time, they never mixed the shots together like the doctors do when they give them.... so hopefully it will be safer when separated... (although it wasnt in my new granddaughters case!)
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I have not come across any evidence that Flu vaccinations prevent deaths from the Flu. Since most people get the shot to prevent a possible death, it seems redundant to take it if it does not accomplish that goal.

To me, it is not even a matter of side effects. There is not evidence I have seen that it works. So why get it?

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My son got flu in the secondary school, and he told me there are lot of classmates who are coughing in the school. My family doctor told me it is not a big problem if he took tamiflu, right now, he is OK and no flu symptoms.
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The German Medical Association seems to have come out against the Glaxo Smith Kline version of the H1N1 vaccine(Pandremix) for those suffering from multi-system and environmental diseases.

https://www.csn-deutschland.de/blog/e...tem-illnesses/
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Canada seems to have its game on when it comes to this vaccine. I've read studies about vaccines and autism, but most of them have been discredited. I wouldn't worry about it.
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To start with we have a flu of questionable origin in that it was unlikely to have developed naturally. Then we have drug companies supposedly rushing to find and sell us a vaccine. A vaccine that can not be fully tested for effectiveness or safety in the time available. But don�t worry the drug companies are fully protected in that they cannot be held liable for any unfortunate side effects.
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Don't do it.

Some reports are that autism is one in 50 now. It was one in 75 in New Jersey a few years ago, in general one in 150.

When I was a kid if measles or chickenpox was around it was pajama party time. Parents were not afraid of this disease and they knew that to get it as an adult was very dangerous. getting the disease offers a lifetime of immunity. Ya, some kids do get very ill from measles but it is pretty rare... much more rare than the incidence of autism, and generally they will get over it. You never get over autism. I would think that even vision impairment is better than autism.

Mercury doesn't cause the autism. It is the assult of multiple vaccines. Definately stay away from the polio vaccine. go to www.healthsalon.org and do a forum search on polio vaccine sv40 virus... it will blow your mind

If for some reason you have a particular concern about a disease for your child never give more than one vaccine at a time with months inbetween.

All that pinball doctor said is true and I would add increased dosages of vitamin c for your wife. up to 4 grams a day during wellness. and more if she gets sick.


What ever happened to the old fashioned idea of staying home during an epidemic?
Actually you should go to healthsalon and read the article by Baylock and Mercola you will find on the first page there. Very enlightening, so I won't reiterate here.


The biggest risk to your children will be children who have been vaccinated. The vaccines offer a false sense of security. Some of these kids will get these diseases later in life when the vaccine wears off, and this sometimes happens in highschool, a very bad time to get measles., Let your kids get the measles if you can find it and the chicken pox as well. They are going to have lots of problems from that chicken pox vaccine, already happening., do a search on it.,.. then they will never have to worry again,
The best age for these childhood diseases are age 4 to 7.

Protect your very young from the whooping cough. Isolation at home if it is going around. After age 3 its not too bad, then again lifetime immunity is obtained. The pertussus vaccine is very dangerous, and as a pediatric nurse I have seen much vaccine damage,more than statistically reasonable for me to see so that tells me someone is lying.
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As young child barely into grade school, I got both types of Measles; my
Mother made me stay in bed in a darkened room to prevent eye damage.
I never did get chicken pox or mumps but was told I had whooping cough
as a baby. This was way before vaccines of Any kind. I did sweat it out
when my 4 kids got the mumps and chicken pox [I was in my late 20's],
but still didn't get either one. Taking precautions if your kids do get sick is
the best thing you can do for them. Vit C and D3 doses as discussed above
should do it.
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One place I worked for wanted me to get a measles vaccination. I had never had the measles nor the vaccine. I opted to be tested and they found out that I was naturally immune. I suppose thats why those pajama parties never made me sick. I never got the mumps either. nor the whooping cough. I be there are a few folks out there who are naturally immune, and I know there are tests for measles, but I don't know about the others.

I did get my kids vaccinated to my dismay and because of ignorance at the time. They were 2.5 and 5 years old when they got the mmr. They had never had a shot before so I figured I would demonstrate for them. I took the MMR even though I knew I was immune. I had arthritis before I even got to the parking lot and was in pain for a month and had to take extended ibuprofen to get rid of the inflammation..... later down the road I did develop more arthritic symptoms but can't say for sure that it was related. Fortunatley I learned to take care of that.
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To start with we have a flu of questionable origin in that it was unlikely to have developed naturally. Then we have drug companies supposedly rushing to find and sell us a vaccine. A vaccine that can not be fully tested for effectiveness or safety in the time available. But don’t worry the drug companies are fully protected in that they cannot be held liable for any unfortunate side effects.
The above alone is reason not to get the vaccines, but know, our bodies naturally defend themselves, until we start tinkering with them by trying to outsmart them, my advice would be, spend the time, days if need be to google it, you tube it, do your own homework, do not believe the hype on the news, or from any government. Do not get swept up in the mass hysteria that is proliferated. It is your life and by not doing your own research, your putting your life in someone else s hands about a potentially life and death decision. Call me cynical, but we are fed so much crap from everywhere, we have to stay calm, be cool and collect our wits, then we have to become aware by doing our own homework, vigilante and trust our own gut feeling, right or wrong, we will have to live with the decision, so I feel our own research and evaluation is what really matters. There is an old Italian saw, that says follow the money, Who PROFITS Most, as the final aid to a perplexing problem.
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